billsfan1959 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: again you cant separate your thoughts on the move from him and if we would be a better team.... not many people will argue it wasn't the right move. I liked the trade. but if you stick strictly to the topic, yes the team would probably be at the tail end of the hunt with a turnover free qb and this defense with most of the heavy hitters in their schedule gone. you cant seem to separate your thoughts on moving on from him and the topic at hand. I can separate my thoughts. My separate thoughts are (1) it was the right move to trade him and (2) I do not think this team would be much better with Tyrod at QB. Those are two separate thoughts. That is just my opinion. 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: some people are having a hard time separating the actual topic here and whether or not they think we should have kept him or not. 2 totally different topics. Because somebody doesn't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are incapable of understanding the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: I can separate my thoughts. My separate thoughts are (1) it was the right move to trade him and (2) I do not think this team would be much better with Tyrod at QB. Those are two separate thoughts. That is just my opinion. I agree with 1... and number 2 partially. I think we would maybe be 2 wins better(AT LEAST 1)… and with 2 wins that puts us at .500 and in the thick of it with this schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: The real question is simple: Would you rather have Tyrod right now to MAYBE help contend for the last wild card spot before he leaves for nothing as a FA at end of the year...or Edmunds for the next decade quarterbacking and anchoring our defense? The real question is if Tyrod makes us to the playoffs this year per the OP, to which you said yes right? Outside the OP I guess I agree but I just want young players learning how to win.. Tyrod doesn't prevent Edmunds: we wasted a 3rd on KB.. trading Tyrod for a 3rd and spending a 3rd on KB. It's a wash. We could have Tyrod and no KB and everything else the same. We had a crapload of 3rd rounders haha, a 3rd wasn't going to stop us from getting Edmunds and Allen. Tossing one at KB was a bad idea. Not a fan of the 3rd we used in the draft just yet either. Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: I bet you were screaming to put peterman in weren't you? i'll take the wins and the rookie qb sitting and learning with the potential to earn the job if the starter struggles any day of the week over what this year has been. I don't even know how anyone could argue otherwise. Definitely wasn't screaming for Peterman in the jags game. Just different opinions. You believe it's be beneficial for him to sit and learn, I believe it's better for him to be out there playing and learning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Lets not forget than McDermott took over the defense play calling at the half For a reason!!! I was referring to last year, tongue in cheek, but why so serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: #1 running game right? Taylor makes that much of a difference I guess. So I take it you haven't seen the last 3 yrs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 15 hours ago, KzooMike said: We have almost a carbon copy of last years team in an even weaker playoff battle. With Tyrod I think it would have been back to back playoff years. Give him two turnovers in a game and he wins more often than not. No, I don't think he's good. But what he does do is protect the ball, enhance the running game, and to some extent mask poor offensive line play. Whats even more silly about the whole thing is he gets traded to the exact same situation he would have faced here. Perhaps he would have had the same fate in Buffalo he has in Cleveland if he was retained. I know Taylor has been talked to nauseous levels. I just find the thought process on this interesting and I'm curious what others think. Is this a playoff team with Taylor? It wasn’t a playoff team last year with Taylor. This team made the playoffs not because of Taylor, in spite of him!!! When will this narrative ever end that Taylor is anything but a horrid NFL starting quarterback. For all of his negative traits they all add up to one big one: he’s an absolute total 100% loser! I know this isn’t going to stop. But, come on man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: That’s why the bills were 29th in yards in 2017 ? Too much emotion, not enough facts Rushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: The guys who wanna pay 16 mil for a guy who gets benched after 2.5 weeks ☝?☝?☝? He got benched when we went 9-7? No need to argue w you. You have something personal against the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Dopey said: Sure it does. Do animals in the woods count as observers? You just blew my mind! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I think Mayfield was expected to be one of the few qbs in the draft who could plausibly contribute right away. Rosen was also considered more advanced, but so far his play does not strongly advance that argument. The coaching change in Cleveland seems to have opened up the offense and Mayfield has more talent to work with. One can't really compare Mayfield's progress with Allen who is recovering from an injury. A fair grader would give an incomplete there, not an implied pejorative. Everyone knew going in Allen needed a lot more development. Most likely scenario (and it's not ridiculous) is that Allen gets through next year to show if he is a future franchise qb or not. Allen will get as long as Beane and McDermott are employed at OBD, as I assume their fates are tied to one another. The only thing I'll add is that guys like Allen, who need considerable development before they're ready to contribute, hardly ever work out in the NFL. I mean, when was the last time a successful 1st round NFL QB took more than a year to show they were really good? Most guys show they can play pretty much as soon as they get on the field. The only real exception I can think of is Jared Goff who was as bad as Allen his rookie year who went on to be really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: So I take it you haven't seen the last 3 yrs? Well yes, I have seen the last 3 years. Great in 2015 and 2016 and above average. How does Taylor give us the #1 rushing attack with the absence of Incognito and Wood replaced by Ducasse (benched)/Groy (benched)/Bodine who is simply not good? McCoy wasn't every good before Taylor or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I know we have one of the worst offenses in NFL history. You're assuming with a regressed of talent, especially at the offensive line, we wouldn't have continued to regress even with Taylor under center. We wouldn't average 19 points per game with him here and the talent he has. Dude, we lost three offensive linemen. Everyone else is the same as last year. I have a really hard time believing those three guys are worth 6 points per game on offense. That's pretty much impossible. Losing them shouldn't have reduced our offensive scoring by 30%. Our offensive scoring is at the bottom of the NFL because we have the worst group of QBs in the league. It's not complicated. 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: And I am sure Taylor's 49% completion percentage, 5.6 yd passing avg, and 64 rating before he was benched (which, since you are so into stats, is NOT significantly better than what Allen posted) would have made this offense sooooooo much better. Talk about nonsensical. The fact that you want to try and draw conclusions from 40 pass attempts, and ignore the rest of his career is hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Rushing? Googled 2017 Buffalo Bills offense and it stated 29th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: So I take it you haven't seen the last 3 yrs? They just ignore basic stats. It's unbelievable that Bills fans would not be in touch with how historically horrific the offense has been this season. For all the terrible offense we've seen over the past 15 years, this has been far and away the worst one this franchise has fielded over that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Dude, we lost three offensive linemen. Everyone else is the same as last year. I have a really hard time believing those three guys are worth 6 points per game on offense. That's pretty much impossible. Losing them shouldn't have reduced our offensive scoring by 30%. Our offensive scoring is at the bottom of the NFL because we have the worst group of QBs in the league. It's not complicated. We dipped 6 points per game from our 2016 season to 2017. We dipped 6 points per game average now from last year (this year isn't completed). And no, it's not impossible when your offense is based on running the football and you've got guys now upfront who can't create holes or get any push in the run game. We lost talent from 2016 to 2017 and again in 2018....there is a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: He's on the bench because he played terribly. The plan was to have Taylor start this year. What makes you think that Taylor would have been any different this year in Buffalo? He has better weapons on offense in Cleveland and was terrible. He's regressed every year since 2015. That's a really awful spot to be in as a quarterback. The entire city/organization is waiting for Mayfield to play. Didn't work out very well for Sam Bradford either, who some on this board seem to want to bring in. Things that make you go hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: They just ignore basic stats. It's unbelievable that Bills fans would not be in touch with how historically horrific the offense has been this season. For all the terrible offense we've seen over the past 15 years, this has been far and away the worst one this franchise has fielded over that time. I don't think anyone is saying that this offense isn't historically bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: We dipped 6 points per game from our 2016 season to 2017. We dipped 6 points per game average now from last year (this year isn't completed). And no, it's not impossible when your offense is based on running the football and you've got guys now upfront who can't create holes or get any push in the run game. We lost talent from 2016 to 2017 and again in 2018....there is a pattern. Yet Taylor's QB Rating was unchanged from 2016 to 2017..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Dude, we lost three offensive linemen. Everyone else is the same as last year. I have a really hard time believing those three guys are worth 6 points per game on offense. That's pretty much impossible. Losing them shouldn't have reduced our offensive scoring by 30%. Our offensive scoring is at the bottom of the NFL because we have the worst group of QBs in the league. It's not complicated. The fact that you want to try and draw conclusions from 40 pass attempts, and ignore the rest of his career is hysterical. Actually, I haven't ignored his NFL career at all. It has been exactly what I said it was: Mediocre. It has led him to where he is now: On his 3rd team in 8 years and riding the bench. Apparently NFL head coaches and General Managers of three teams don't agree with you. BTW, drawing conclusions about a rookie QB from 139 pass attempts is beyond ridiculous. You are the very thing you rail against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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