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22 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The Dem candidates match up against Trump better than they do against each other?  Not seeing it and I am not saying Trump is a better explainer/debater.  All Trump has to do is point to the economy which for most has allowed them to benefit by the stock market or career.  

 

He doesn't do that though.

 

He can't help himself from talking about immigration which excites his base but gets him no where with independents. 

 

When Trump is off script at rallies or in future debates, he always goes for the red meat. He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. 

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4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

He doesn't do that though.

 

He can't help himself from talking about immigration which excites his base but gets him no where with independents. 

 

When Trump is off script at rallies or in future debates, he always goes for the red meat. He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. 

 

Independents are more against illegal immigration than they're for it. Every poll bears that out -- and I bet it's even higher than the poll numbers due to the fact that people are tired of being called racist for thinking immigrants should enter the country legally.

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4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. 


In fairness, Obama was not able to speak without a teleprompter. He was a bumbling, stuttering mess.

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5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Independents are more against illegal immigration than they're for it. Every poll bears that out -- and I bet it's even higher than the poll numbers due to the fact that people are tired of being called racist for thinking immigrants should enter the country legally.

 

Sure, but Trump has no immigration plan. Neither side does.

 

Trump gets his supporters fired up with buzz words, but there's never been any substance. The wall never materialized, Mexico never paid for anything, and he's never proposed meaningful immigration reform policy that has any hope of passing into legislation. 

 

Trump had two fulls years to tackle immigration, and he accomplished practically nothing on that front. 

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The DNC 2020 Campaign Message in one Salon headline.

 

Congratulations. You nutbags are tee'ing up 2020 on a platter.

 

 

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1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

The DNC 2020 Campaign Message in one Salon headline.

 

Congratulations. You nutbags are tee'ing up 2020 on a platter.

 

 

Salon is just one news outlet, so as usual you have no clue. Did you see Trump partying with the child sex trafficker?? Did you!!

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Apparently Racist is the 2020 version of Deplorable!  The Left is hoping that their latest prejudice will stick.

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4 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:


In fairness, Obama was not able to speak without a teleprompter. He was a bumbling, stuttering mess.

But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! 

 

Obama, still the best recent president we have had. 

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Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Sure, but Trump has no immigration plan. Neither side does.

 

Trump gets his supporters fired up with buzz words, but there's never been any substance. The wall never materialized, and he's never proposed meaningful immigration policy that has any hope of passing into legislation. 

 

The wall is being built. And Trump's policy has always been about stopping trafficking across the southern border first and foremost. That's what makes the protests against his policies so asinine. Especially the protests against child separation... 

 

Remember, 1/3rd of every kid brought over the border with a sponsor was found to be with strangers. Coyotes and smugglers. 1/3. Now, of course, for those two thirds of people who were separated from their kids (for breaking the law) it's horrible. No one wants to see that. But the alternative, the one being pushed by the left and protesters (unknowingly for most) is to say "***** it" to that 1/3rd of kids being trafficked. 

 

That's tens of thousands of kids a month. Hundreds of thousands of kids per year. Being allowed to be trafficked into unspeakable horrors... That's BIG MONEY. And that's truly what the left is trying to protect with their protests. 

 

But you can't argue facts when one side has been screaming "HE'S A NAZI!" since day one. 

 

(which was the point of that rhetoric)

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Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Apparently Racist is the 2020 version of Deplorable!  The Left is hoping that their latest prejudice will stick.

When you are running against a guy who hung out with child sex traffickers, it really won't matter 

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Salon is just one news outlet, so as usual you have no clue. Did you see Trump partying with the child sex trafficker?? Did you!!

Nobody cares.  You guys told us that for years  when Bill was being serviced right in the OVAL OFFICE!

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! 

 

Might want to wait on that victory lap -- considering he partied with Bin Talal quite a bit.

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39 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think the Dem candidates match up much better against Trump than they do against each other. The question becomes how much damage will they inflict upon each other to win the nomination? 

 

One on one, if any of the front runners can get up on a stage, and spar with Trump about policy, and "look Presidential" they've got a great shot.

 

2016 was hilarious in the sense that Hilary had no policies. She was a historically bad candidate with major baggage, and no policies. She tried to ride into office just because she was a woman, and the majority of independent voters couldn't stomach her and her past. Trump got by yielding a couple buzz words that fired up his base ("Build the wall", "Lock her up", etc) and the base ate it up. 

 

This time will be different. Whichever Democrat emerges from the pile will have real policies that will have got them to the top of the pile because they're popular policies among Democrats. 

 

This time, unless he figures out how to control the narrative, Trump is going to have to talk about detailed policy on the debate stage, which I don't think is his strength at all. 

That's a hot take and if it turns out you are correct, I'll be the first to put my hand out and say "Geesh, didn't see that coming.". Thereafter, I have to support a bogus investigation into your candidate crossing the Peace Bridge and not declaring 3 bags of fruit at Customs and applaud while your candidate is mired in bullshyt all while screaming "IF SHE'S INNOCENT SHE SHOULD BE HAPPY TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI/CIA AND NSA!". 

 

The fact is no policy details are released or batted about on the debate stage, ever.  Let me be clear....O...O...Obama was very polished at delivering nothing, W not so much, and Trump obviously repeating the same thing 4 times in exactly the same thing. He's great, lots of people say it, they say that he's great. 

 

 

On the other hand, as of right now, and it can change--Trump can speak on his accomplishments that include the economy, consumer confidence,  employment numbers

 for Americans across the board, tax cuts, repatriation of $$$ and investment by companies like Apple due to changes in tax code, the strengthening of the SC and federal court system, his attempts to return some semblance of control to the Southern Border with a do-nothing Dem house, his experience with NATO, and at the same time, point to the dems pattern of dirty tricks:

 

The Russia hoax/debacle coup attempt.  He will hammer this hard, often and rightly so. 

 

He will point to the many tentacles from Obama on down that trafficked in illegal surveillance, unmasking and weaponization of our once trusted intelligence/law enforcement agencies and the need to continue to clean out that part of the swamp. It will get ugly, and up until now it's been a picnic. 

 

 

Kavanaugh visciously attacked simply because he's a conservative white male, makes you wonder when they are coming for you next.  All their hands are dirty there, none more so than Harris. 

 

The desperation of the homeless in places like California, the high tax rate doing nothing to cure it, all brought to you by the elitist dem platform before it's even gone full batshit crazy socialist.

 

When all is said and done, he has plenty to talk about, you just might not be willing to listen.  In fact, he has a slate of positive and uplifting data to speak on, juxtaposed to the dem message despair, anger and divisiveness that ONLY a 70% tax rate and health care for those here in violation of our laws paid  for by the heartland can solve.  That's not your IRA, someone else deserves that. 

 

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Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Nobody cares.  You guys told us that for years  when Bill was being serviced right in the OVAL OFFICE!

Trump is just a worse version of Clinton! Peas in a pod! 

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4 hours ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

Not surprising coming from a member of the party of hate

 

I'm jrober too?

 

No I’m jrober. And I followed DR here from another board as a member of a Deep State business where I get paid when people respond to me. 

 

When someone says something, believe them. 

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Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Might want to wait on that victory lap -- considering he partied with Bin Talal quite a bit.

Then I promise ill never vote for Obama again! Lol!! 

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2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

When you are running against a guy who hung out with child sex traffickers, it really won't matter 

I don't recall this being an issue with Hillary and Harvey Weinstien...or Anthony Wiener...or....

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Just now, SoCal Deek said:

I don't recall this being an issue with Hillary and Harvey Weinstien...or Anthony Wiener...or....

Trump is like all them, too. Trump, Hillary, Jeff E, all the same! Heck, Hillary even murdered people! All unfit for office! 

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2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The wall is being built. And Trump's policy has always been about stopping trafficking across the southern border first and foremost. That's what makes the protests against his policies so asinine. Especially the protests against child separation... 

 

Remember, 1/3rd of every kid brought over the border with a sponsor was found to be with strangers. Coyotes and smugglers. 1/3. Now, of course, for those two thirds of people who were separated from their kids (for breaking the law) it's horrible. No one wants to see that. But the alternative, the one being pushed by the left and protesters (unknowingly for most) is to say "***** it" to that 1/3rd of kids being trafficked. 

 

That's tens of thousands of kids a month. Hundreds of thousands of kids per year. Being allowed to be trafficked into unspeakable horrors... That's BIG MONEY. And that's truly what the left is trying to protect with their protests. 

 

But you can't argue facts when one side has been screaming "HE'S A NAZI!" since day one. 

 

(which was the point of that rhetoric)

 

I won't argue against any of this, but what's the solution?

 

He's proposed zero immigration reform policy, which means the kids will continue coming, they'll remain in cages, and 2/3 will keep getting separated from their parents.

 

Trump can talk tough, but it will be policy that helps solve the matter and he doesn't have any idea or plan on how to fix things because the vast majority of these people arrive at legal ports of entry and overstay their visas. 

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Just now, Tiberius said:

Trump is like all them, too. Trump, Hillary, Jeff E, all the same! Heck, Hillary even murdered people! All unfit for office! 

But Saint Obama, the chain smoking drug user...now he was clearly fit for office.  Give it a rest man.

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


I disagree. Not to say the democrats are not doing everything they can to paint President Trump as being icky, but when people are employed and can pay their bills, most people don't care if the President is brash and loud as long as he can deliver a good economy. 

 

Mostly true. I’d vote for Trump over half the Dem field including several of the current front runners. I’d vote 3rd party instead of either person for some Dem candidates (Maybe Biden in this group), and vote D for maybe just a few who have little chance (the moderates who barely register). 

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4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

That's a hot take and if it turns out you are correct, I'll be the first to put my hand out and say "Geesh, didn't see that coming.". Thereafter, I have to support a bogus investigation into your candidate crossing the Peace Bridge and not declaring 3 bags of fruit at Customs and applaud while your candidate is mired in bullshyt all while screaming "IF SHE'S INNOCENT SHE SHOULD BE HAPPY TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI/CIA AND NSA!". 

 

The fact is no policy details are released or batted about on the debate stage, ever.  Let me be clear....O...O...Obama was very polished at delivering nothing, W not so much, and Trump obviously repeating the same thing 4 times in exactly the same thing. He's great, lots of people say it, they say that he's great. 

 

 

On the other hand, as of right now, and it can change--Trump can speak on his accomplishments that include the economy, consumer confidence,  employment numbers

 for Americans across the board, tax cuts, repatriation of $$$ and investment by companies like Apple due to changes in tax code, the strengthening of the SC and federal court system, his attempts to return some semblance of control to the Southern Border with a do-nothing Dem house, his experience with NATO, and at the same time, point to the dems pattern of dirty tricks:

 

The Russia hoax/debacle coup attempt.  He will hammer this hard, often and rightly so. 

 

He will point to the many tentacles from Obama on down that trafficked in illegal surveillance, unmasking and weaponization of our once trusted intelligence/law enforcement agencies and the need to continue to clean out that part of the swamp. It will get ugly, and up until now it's been a picnic. 

 

 

Kavanaugh visciously attacked simply because he's a conservative white male, makes you wonder when they are coming for you next.  All their hands are dirty there, none more so than Harris. 

 

The desperation of the homeless in places like California, the high tax rate doing nothing to cure it, all brought to you by the elitist dem platform before it's even gone full batshit crazy socialist.

 

When all is said and done, he has plenty to talk about, you just might not be willing to listen.  In fact, he has a slate of positive and uplifting data to speak on, juxtaposed to the dem message despair, anger and divisiveness that ONLY a 70% tax rate and health care for those here in violation of our laws paid  for by the heartland can solve.  That's not your IRA, someone else deserves that. 

 

 

I agree. He has tons to talk about, but he has never been able to stay on message.

 

For 3 plus years now, Trump gets off on firing up his base, and to do that and have crowds cheering for him at his rallies, he's forced to talk to them about immigration because that's the red meat his base eats up.

 

If Trump could stay on message, and just talk about the things you just listed, his approval rating would be considerably higher. But he can't, and he never will, because that's not who he is and it's not why he got elected in the first place. 

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

But Saint Obama, the chain smoking drug user...now he was clearly fit for office.  Give it a rest man.

 

He's was the worst President this country has ever seen by a country mile.

 

 

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1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Mostly true. I’d vote for Trump over half the Dem field including several of the current front runners. I’d vote 3rd party instead of either person for some Dem candidates (Maybe Biden in this group), and vote D for maybe just a few who have little chance (the moderates who barely register). 

 

Hey just checking back.  I may have missed your response.  You can agree that telling someone to go back to their country of origin has nothing to do with race right?  

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12 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! 


What does any of this have to do with Bill Clinton?

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