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10 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Bills DC Leslie Frazier can run the Buffalo Bills defense just fine without McD. This franchise needs an offensive mind at the top. 

Would they keep Frazier though? As I said before, we just need an OK offense and we'll win a lot of games. If Terry wanted a high octane offense why didn't he hire an offensive mind to begin with? We got 10 picks and 90 million cap, in my mind I give McD one more crack at this. If we suck next year and our defense is good, I agree wholeheartedly on keeping Leslie Frazier and the entire defensive staff and hiring an offensive minded HC, but I'd give McD another chance first before I went that route.

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1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Would they keep Frazier though? As I said before, we just need an OK offense and we'll win a lot of games. If Terry wanted a high octane offense why didn't he hire an offensive mind to begin with? We got 10 picks and 90 million cap, in my mind I give McD one more crack at this. If we suck next year and our defense is good, I agree wholeheartedly on keeping Leslie Frazier and the entire defensive staff and hiring an offensive minded HC, but I'd give McD another chance first before I went that route.

What we fans probably didn't hear about was that the owner probably hired a consulting firm to find the next HC and they recommended McD. They gave that new HC an awful lot of power for a new HC as he picked his coaches and GM.

 

Right now the NFL is leaning towards hiring offensive minds and what's happening in LA rams, New Orleans, KC, Chicago, Minnesota are just reinforcing that idea with such commanding offenses. 

 

The thing is McD is a good defensive mind to a point. He is also a new HC and Beane is a new GM. These men don't understand the value of fielding a top offensive line or what happens when you lose two all pro players on that line, clearly. Or what happened this season wouldn't have happened. 

 

Rex Ryan, OTOH wanted to run his style of defense despite the personnel on the roster so he effectively killed an top 5 defense. What Ryan did do while he was here was find a QB in Tyrod Taylor and brought in a pro bowl LG in Richie Incognito. (Anyone else know how long it's been since this franchise had a pro bowl OG? Ruben Brown ring any bells?) Ryan also chased La"el Collins too.  

 

McD did the same thing with the Bills offense as he killed that #1 rushing offense that was number one for 2015, 2016 and went to #6 in 2017. This year its 23rd with the same RB. That 2016 offense was a top 10 offense and last year went to 22nd pts, 29th in yards. This year it's 32nd pts, 31st in yards. 

 

Sorry, but McD deserves to be fired for this mess of a season. Beane should stay as he was probably just doing what McD wanted. 

 

NOW.Ex Colt HC, ex Arizona HC Bruce Arians has stated he will return to coaching to coach the Cleveland Browns. If I'm Terry Pegula I'd be on the phone to Arians asap to properly develop Josh Allen. Keep the defensive coaching staff and fire the entire offensive side. 

 

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1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

 

Sorry, but McD deserves to be fired for this mess of a season. Beane should stay as he was probably just doing what McD wanted

Semi agreed until I read this. Beane has not been good at all, he is a beta.

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..not sure how I missed this (another damn senior moment)...but isn't this "Wrecks like discipline"?..gotta be a "process thing".....

 

 

Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer:

 

The Buffalo Bills on Tuesday released starting cornerback Phillip Gaines, who leads the NFL with 131 penalty yards this season.

Gaines was called twice for defensive pass interference in Sunday's 41-9 loss to the Chicago Bears. In total, the Bills were flagged 10 times for 163 yards -- the most penalty yardage assessed against the team in franchise history.

 

The Bills' previous high for penalty yards in a game was 159 in a November 1970 loss to the Patriots.

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McD isn't going anywhere.....after this stint in Buffalo.

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13 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

What does that even mean?

 

pretty straightforward.

 

Pegulas love McD and reorganized the whole franchise according to his philosophy.

 

he's not leaving.

 

 

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20 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Semi agreed until I read this. Beane has not been good at all, he is a beta.

You have to realize that McD hired Beane and was probably following what he asked to do by the HC. McD listened to his line coach who told him the line would be fine and he also listened to his OC who told him Peterman would be fine.

 

Understand that these men have conferences in which they go to great lengths to talk over the roster, sometimes arguing. While Beane is somewhat culpable for the product on the field, he is also under McD on the org chart. At this point the buck should stop with the HC. 

 

I would keep Beane simply for the way he masterfully was able to obtain Josh Allen in the draft. So many Bills fans wanted the team to give up the farm trade up to that #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft Josh Rosen...the chosen! I think Beane worked some magic and got the best QB, LBer in this years draft. 

 

Now, someone needs to be held accountable for the Buffalo Bills 2018 offense which could not only set franchise records for being bad as they can set NFL records...they are close. If McD doesn't fires his OC then he needs to go. 

 

8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

pretty straightforward.

 

Pegulas love McD and reorganized the whole franchise according to his philosophy.

 

he's not leaving.

If you recall they really loved Rex Ryan too. They fired him in his 2nd year after regressing one game from 8-8 to 7-8 with one game left in the season. This bye week is going to be very interesting. 

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I thought I'd seen everything on this board the past 10+ years, but the idea that this was the plan remains the most unbelievable narrative I've ever observed.  It is amazing how some people can make the stretch that being a statistically top 5 worst offense in the past 40 years (likely worst when factoring in rules, style of play) is beyond the pale.  

 

My theory is many fans seek to justify even the lowest quality of team because they derive their identity from fan hood.  To criticize the team is to criticize oneself, and that's out of the question for most.  Therefore, the horrible level of play in year 2 of the latest rebuild is understandable.  

 

The gymnastic movement it requires to arrive at this conclusion is absolutely incredible.  McCoach isn't going to get fired anytime soon, but there's no way he and Beane "planned" to be this bad and headed toward a 2-3 win season in year 2.  Why? Because it only makes year 3 more do or die.  If they went 7-9 this year perhaps I could understand setting up for year 3.  Instead, they'll be even more under pressure to win.  I doubt they anticipated that scenario.  

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On 11/6/2018 at 12:33 AM, TwistofFate said:

Anytime soon. 

 

Just finished watching today's press conference, and I can honestly say, this epic failure was not only predicted by this regime, it was expected. 

 

McDermott gave some telling information today, and I believe the tidbit he dropped is what prompted the Pegulas to hire him. 

 

McDermott made mentions of his usual jibber jabber, then reminded the media that he has been part of not one, but TWO franchise turn around.  His first coming in 99' with Andy Reid and the Eagles, fresh off a 3 win Ray Rhodes season.  His second coming with Ron Rivera, fresh off a John Fox 2 win season. 

 

I remember quite well last year, multiple times McDermott warned the media about the product on the field and not to get carried away as there was plenty of work "ahead " of us. 

 

Let's look at some parallels

 

1999, the first thing Philly did was draft a Qb in the first round. 

 

"In 1999, Pederson was caretaker of the quarterback position until rookie first-round pick Donovan McNabb was ready.

The fans wanted McNabb. Andy Reid didn't. And Pederson struggled.

And it was ugly."

 

"Pederson started the first nine games of the 1999 season, and the Eagles went 2-7 in those games, averaging 11.1 points per game on offense before Pederson was benched in favor of McNabb."

 

Amazing right?   

 

Peterman and Pederson, averaging 11.1 points per game.  

It’s ironic that Eagles fans wanted McNabb to play given how they booed him unmercifully when the Eagles selected him. 

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8 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

I thought I'd seen everything on this board the past 10+ years, but the idea that this was the plan remains the most unbelievable narrative I've ever observed.  It is amazing how some people can make the stretch that being a statistically top 5 worst offense in the past 40 years (likely worst when factoring in rules, style of play) is beyond the pale.  

 

My theory is many fans seek to justify even the lowest quality of team because they derive their identity from fan hood.  To criticize the team is to criticize oneself, and that's out of the question for most.  Therefore, the horrible level of play in year 2 of the latest rebuild is understandable.  

 

The gymnastic movement it requires to arrive at this conclusion is absolutely incredible.  McCoach isn't going to get fired anytime soon, but there's no way he and Beane "planned" to be this bad and headed toward a 2-3 win season in year 2.  Why? Because it only makes year 3 more do or die.  If they went 7-9 this year perhaps I could understand setting up for year 3.  Instead, they'll be even more under pressure to win.  I doubt they anticipated that scenario.  

 

I am kind of worried that they are going to rush to spend that $90 million foolishly (and guaranteed w/bonuses) and also trade up in the draft fearing for their jobs, and digging yet another hole for this franchise.  

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I don’t think anyone realistically thought the Bills would be strong this year.  However I don’t think anyone thought it would be this embarrassing.

 

He gets a pass this year but next year he’s really gonna be under the microscope 

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On 11/6/2018 at 7:42 AM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It better not take 3-4 years to begin winning.  He and Beane need to show results next season. 

 

It hinges on Allen. 

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19 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

I thought I'd seen everything on this board the past 10+ years, but the idea that this was the plan remains the most unbelievable narrative I've ever observed.  It is amazing how some people can make the stretch that being a statistically top 5 worst offense in the past 40 years (likely worst when factoring in rules, style of play) is beyond the pale.  

 

The rationalization by some on this board is indeed baffling. One would be hard pressed to come up with another example in the NFL where a playoff team tanked on one side of the ball in the name of a "rebuild". Right now it has been a teardown. Whether it gets rebuilt, time will tell. But as of now, there is no evidence in favor of McBeane

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On 11/6/2018 at 1:02 AM, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize this is year 2 of this regime?  And the team is getting worse not better.  

Tell me how this is any different than Rex?  Rex destroyed a top 5 defense. McD destroyed a top 10 offense.  Rex's team played undisciplined.  McD's team is 3rd highest in penalties and 2nd highest in penalty yards.  Special teams suck despite all the roster spots dedicated to them.  Rex ran an antiquated defense. McD signed a multi-million dollar fullback.  

I'm done with both Beane and McDermott.  

 

Well I'll take your word for it that they were top 10, they certainly didn't look anything that special.   It had to be almost completely on the legs of McCoy as it sure wasn't because of TT's great play.  So to say he destroyed the offense is a large stretch.  Who did he get rid of on the offensive side that was talked about on an elite or even close to elite level. Please don't say Watkins as he did pretty much nothing.  Neither did Woods or Goodwin while here.  The only player really outstanding besides McCoy was RI and he kind of sealed his own fate.

 

On 11/6/2018 at 3:27 AM, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

McDumbass has shown he is clueless on the offensive side of the ball. 

 

It's time to move to on from him and bring in an offensive mind. 

 

What exactly has McD done to show he's clueless?  The way I see it he's shown very little good or bad as they haven't signed or drafted anyone too much.  You want to fault him for neglecting the offense ok fine, but can't fix everything at once.  If you want to fault him for play calling, execution, that falls more on the OC than him, or at least it should.

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3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I am kind of worried that they are going to rush to spend that $90 million foolishly (and guaranteed w/bonuses) and also trade up in the draft fearing for their jobs, and digging yet another hole for this franchise.  

 

Yep. This off-season is setting up as similar of what happened during Buddy's GM tenure.  A 4-12 in 2010 and then 6-10 the following year prompted the spending during the 2012 off-season on Mario Williams and Mark Anderson.  Anyone who's failed to deliver in the first two years probably considers all assets at their disposal, and that would include cap room. 

 

It used to be some fans praised the late Wilson era teams for saving cap space, but that does nothing.  Then again, using it poorly gets you saddled with bad contracts.  I would hope Beane and his people identify some cost-effective but quality players who'll instantly improve this roster.  That is, if they choose to use UFA and not fall back on the draft expecting that their young players.  The purge they've made these past 2 off-seasons better lead to something. 

 

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On 11/6/2018 at 1:34 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

McDermott gets at least one more season. Offense needs to be the focus and I believe it will be. They do stink this year, no doubt about it. I would bring everyone back one more year and see what happens. All coaches on offense even. Look at what the Atlanta offense has been like the last 4 years. 

Under Shannahan the Falcons weren’t very good his first year and then good his second. Under Sarkisian the Falcons weren’t very good his first year and this year they are good again. I believe it may take a little longer for an OC to really learn what all his players are good at. Also when you don’t have a ton of talent yet on that side of the ball, the success is going to be harder and take longer. The easy way is fire and start over. Bills been doing that since Levy . Time to give a guy 3-4 years. 

By that reasoning you better give Daboll two more years. He doesn’t know who will be playing next year, at least not the bulk of the offense. They are either in college or playing elsewhere this year. 

4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Well I'll take your word for it that they were top 10, they certainly didn't look anything that special.   It had to be almost completely on the legs of McCoy as it sure wasn't because of TT's great play.  So to say he destroyed the offense is a large stretch.  Who did he get rid of on the offensive side that was talked about on an elite or even close to elite level. Please don't say Watkins as he did pretty much nothing.  Neither did Woods or Goodwin while here.  The only player really outstanding besides McCoy was RI and he kind of sealed his own fate.

 

 

What exactly has McD done to show he's clueless?  The way I see it he's shown very little good or bad as they haven't signed or drafted anyone too much.  You want to fault him for neglecting the offense ok fine, but can't fix everything at once.  If you want to fault him for play calling, execution, that falls more on the OC than him, or at least it should.

Who hired the OC?

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1 minute ago, iinii said:

By that reasoning you better give Daboll two more years. He doesn’t know who will be playing next year, at least not the bulk of the offense. They are either in college or playing elsewhere this year. 

 

 

..interestingly and if I read properly reviewing his resume', EVERY OC stop has been a one year deal......how come?....check to see if I am correct though.............

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5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

It hinges on Allen. 

It sure does. If he missed on Allen the way they missed on Peterman, there is going to be a dumpster fire under his coaching seat.

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

..interestingly and if I read properly reviewing his resume', EVERY OC stop has been a one year deal......how come?....check to see if I am correct though.............

That is a most excellent question. It appears he did two years as the OC with the Clowns but....maybe he isn’t anything more than a position coach out of position. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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On 11/6/2018 at 7:56 AM, joesixpack said:

I feel this thread is lacking in sufficient anger and willingness to hold people accountable.

 

 

That makes me mad.

 

  Them's fight'n words!!

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13 minutes ago, iinii said:

It sure does. If he missed on Allen the way they missed on Peterman, there is going to be a dumpster fire under his coaching seat.

That is a most excellent question. It appears he did two years as the OC with the Clowns but....maybe he isn’t anything more than a position coach out of position. 🤷🏽‍♂️

 

 

...thanks bud....just found it interesting he has never been a "keeper"......

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On 11/6/2018 at 1:02 AM, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize this is year 2 of this regime?  And the team is getting worse not better.  

Tell me how this is any different than Rex?  Rex destroyed a top 5 defense. McD destroyed a top 10 offense.  Rex's team played undisciplined.  McD's team is 3rd highest in penalties and 2nd highest in penalty yards.  Special teams suck despite all the roster spots dedicated to them.  Rex ran an antiquated defense. McD signed a multi-million dollar fullback.  

I'm done with both Beane and McDermott.  

 

The point is this was expected.

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3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...thanks bud....just found it interesting he has never been a "keeper"......

Same here. I had looked over his resume but you boiled it down to it’s essence rather succinctly. 

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16 minutes ago, rodneykm said:

 

The point is this was expected.

 

Maybe by you. Don’t speak for everyone. 

5 hours ago, BillsVet said:

I thought I'd seen everything on this board the past 10+ years, but the idea that this was the plan remains the most unbelievable narrative I've ever observed.  It is amazing how some people can make the stretch that being a statistically top 5 worst offense in the past 40 years (likely worst when factoring in rules, style of play) is beyond the pale.  

 

My theory is many fans seek to justify even the lowest quality of team because they derive their identity from fan hood.  To criticize the team is to criticize oneself, and that's out of the question for most.  Therefore, the horrible level of play in year 2 of the latest rebuild is understandable.  

 

The gymnastic movement it requires to arrive at this conclusion is absolutely incredible.  McCoach isn't going to get fired anytime soon, but there's no way he and Beane "planned" to be this bad and headed toward a 2-3 win season in year 2.  Why? Because it only makes year 3 more do or die.  If they went 7-9 this year perhaps I could understand setting up for year 3.  Instead, they'll be even more under pressure to win.  I doubt they anticipated that scenario.  

 

You are upsetting people. Just buy in. 10 picks bro!!!  10!!!!! 

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31 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:
47 minutes ago, rodneykm said:

 

The point is this was expected.

 

Maybe by you. Don’t speak for everyone

 

The coaching staff literally told you to expect this.

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