Soda Popinski Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I don't know what kind of playbook masks no wrs/no qb/no ol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 7 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: What offense will maximize each players talents? That's his job. He has no players. Seriously. Oftentimes, the Bills have had bad coordinators and it's not difficult to see. This time it's really impossible to judge. He is working with the worst receiving corps in the league by a mile, a terrible line, Derek Freaking Anderson, and an unimpressive cast of RBs given McCoy's injuries. 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Hot take, he might not be a good OC. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DaboBr0.htm I get his talent sucks but how much more talent does SF have than us right now? They are 15th in the nfl. SF has way better talent. I can't believe I'm saying this, but CJ Beathard is a superstar compared to the mooks we have playing qb now. 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: What did undermanned NCAA schools do? The wing T spread seems like a good fit. Um ... that doesn't work in the NFL. The Bills don't even have the personnel to run it well anyway. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Which is? Which is the job of the offensive coordinator who makes millions of dollars a year to figure out. Not posters on two bills drive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 7 hours ago, KD in CA said: The only certain things in life are death, taxes and TSW hating whoever holds the job of Bills OC. Truer words have never been spoken here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Um ... that doesn't work in the NFL. The Bills don't even have the personnel to run it well anyway. Two things... Because it's never been tried to the fullest. What scheme do the Bills have the personnel to run? actually three things... How much worse could it be? They have been shut out. They have twice scored 3 points offensively. They have twice scored 13 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: Two things... Because it's never been tried to the fullest. What scheme do the Bills have the personnel to run? actually three things... How much worse could it be? They have been shut out. They have twice scored 3 points offensively. They have twice scored 13 points. They don't have the personnel to run any scheme well because the talent across the board is so terrible (and even more so if McCoy is traded, which i think is more likely than not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They don't have the personnel to run any scheme well because the talent across the board is so terrible (and even more so if McCoy is traded, which i think is more likely than not). So then why not toss the playbook. Take away Allen's choices (when he's back) and let him make one read and throw. 32 out of 32 cannot get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Honestly, he has shown flashes of being good. When we haven’t been trailing or overwhelmed - the Vikings game - he has really mixed it up nicely. He needs more to work with, obviously. Any OC would have a hard time looking competent with what we have right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Chan Gailey got all kinds of points from the same level of talent in a less wide open league 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Which is the job of the offensive coordinator who makes millions of dollars a year to figure out. Not posters on two bills drive I see....so ppl that dont have a fuking clue of what they are talking about themselves are trying to say that Deboll should do his job. Got it.....carry on 3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: What did undermanned NCAA schools do? The wing T spread seems like a good fit. The whole idea was to bring in college concepts to run a more modern offense..... You still have to have the horses to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 hours ago, MJS said: When the offense doesn't suck, people won't hate the coordinator or the players. It's quite simple. When the results are bad, hate follows. I can almost hear the reactionaries screaming "Fire Marchibroda!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Chan Gailey got all kinds of points from the same level of talent in a less wide open league No, the Bills' talent under Gailey was actually far, far superior to what we have now. I think many people simply don't realize the historic badness of the Bills' offensive talent right now. It's unprecedented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, mattynh said: I like the sales job on the offense, lots of formation, player groups, try to find mismatches. The results are historically bad though. Great point. I’ve noticed this about Daboll, too. It just sucks when you don’t have players talented enough to win matchup battles with any kind of regularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I see....so ppl that dont have a fuking clue of what they are talking about themselves are trying to say that Deboll should do his job. Got it.....carry on The whole idea was to bring in college concepts to run a more modern offense..... You still have to have the horses to do it Fans are not allowed to criticize/question the man in charge of one of the worst offences in the past 50 years? We are just supposed to assume he’s doing his job correctly because we can’t come up with a professional solution? Who are we we to criticize right. Daboll must be doing his job just fine cause posters at two bills drive who have completely different occupations and don’t work 80 hours a week on the offence can’t find the solution for him. Edited October 25, 2018 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Fans are not allowed to criticize/question the man in charge of one of the worst offences in the past 50 years? We are just supposed to assume he’s doing his job correctly because we can’t come up with a professional solution? Who are we we to criticize right. Daboll must be doing his job just fine cause posters at two bills drive who have completely different occupations and don’t work 80 hours a week on the offence can’t find the solution for him. How would you even know if he is doing his job? This is the thing that gets me about "fans" if someone wants to bring a take on here like they actually know what they are watching I am all ears and worthy of discussion.....the fan that just says "he sucks because it isnt working" is just white noise to me. There are REASONS why it is not working. But hey....carry on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 10 hours ago, MJS said: I don't think he really has qualifications, to be honest. He sucked as a coordinator with the Browns and then eventually took a lesser role with New England. Then he coordinated in Alabama for a year. The qualification shelf is pretty bare. I get it that the offensive talent is a joke, but there really isn't any reason to believe that Daboll is any good. My 2 cents. That means the other certain thing is that the Bills will always have a terrible offense? When the offense doesn't suck, people won't hate the coordinator or the players. It's quite simple. When the results are bad, hate follows. I agree. Yes, the talent is somewhat lacking with the offense as the only real elite player is RB LeSean McCoy. Now, stating that, why hasn't he been used more effectively this season? The team got behind in points the first few games and the rushing attack went right out the window. Still, this doesn't explain why McCoy wasn't used in the passing scheme more often as he is probably the best receiver on the team too. Daboll has been mostly attempting to run a pass first offense with a rookie QB who has great difficulty reading defenses. Simply moronic! Sorry, but Brian Daboll stinks! Great coaches get the best out of their players...you know, kinda like McD has done with the defense. He should have simplified the offense to mostly run plays and screens, short outs, misdirection plays. For most of the season Daboll has been calling plays like he has an experienced veteran QB behind center. The offense is out of control with penalties and stupid drive killing penalties at that. How is it that a pro player doesn't know where to line up? I can see an incidental penalty like an occasional hold or false start. But some of these are ridiculous and make it impossible for any QB to do his job much less a rookie QB. 54 penalties for 428 is downright ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 OBD is pretty tight lipped as to what goes on behind closed doors. None of us really know what Beane, McDermott and Daboll true opinions are of the offensive talent. I believe that there will be a lot of new starters on offense next year. Whether Daboll deserves to be in Buffalo leading them...........I just don't know. Personally, if I had to predict Daboll's future.......he will be the OC next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: How would you even know if he is doing his job? This is the thing that gets me about "fans" if someone wants to bring a take on here like they actually know what they are watching I am all ears and worthy of discussion.....the fan that just says "he sucks because it isnt working" is just white noise to me. There are REASONS why it is not working. But hey....carry on Well he is the leader of the 32nd ranked offence in the NFL, which is also historically bad. We can start with that.. There are many things I don’t like about Daboll. Like his predictable play calling, obsession with go routes, etc. I just don’t think it’s necessary to call out posters when they have an opinion on something they don’t like. You’ve done it to me multiple times and I find it very obnoxious. We are FANS here that have different occupations to these coaches/players that make millions of dollars. We should be allowed to comment on something without getting called out by another poster asking for a detailed explanation of the Xs and Os on how to fix the problem. I don’t think anyone on this board is putting in their resume to become the offensive coordinator. So maybe just relax a little bit and let’s not take it so serious eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Well he is the leader of the 32nd ranked offence in the NFL, which is also historically bad. We can start with that.. There are many things I don’t like about Daboll. Like his predictable play calling, obsession with go routes, etc. I just don’t think it’s necessary to call out posters when they have an opinion on something they don’t like. You’ve done it to me multiple times and I find it very obnoxious. We are FANS here that have different occupations to these coaches/players that make millions of dollars. We should be allowed to comment on something without getting called out by another poster asking for a detailed explanation of the Xs and Os on how to fix the problem. I don’t think anyone on this board is putting in their resume to become the offensive coordinator. So maybe just relax a little bit and let’s not take it so serious eh? I think you cannot evaluate him when this offense is almost completely devoid of talent....... I know its hard....but fans should look a little deeper at what is actually happening here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: No, the Bills' talent under Gailey was actually far, far superior to what we have now. I think many people simply don't realize the historic badness of the Bills' offensive talent right now. It's unprecedented. Agreed. LeSean McCoy and probably Charles Clay are the only offensive starters on this team that would start on that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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