B-Man Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 On 12/27/2018 at 2:32 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Not a journalist. https://mobile.twitter.com/mzhemingway/status/1078334851105705984?s=21 Ask yourself why he's been framed as such by every outlet and talking head you can find. Then in remember who he represents. The enemies of this country are here. At home. And they have microphones and lie to you about their true masters and agendas. Trump vindicated, media is silent by Don Surber Original Article Two months ago, Jamal Khashoggi was a thing. He died in Saudi Arabia´s embassy in Istanbul apparently painfully and slowly. The Washington Establishment went wacko and demanded President Trump break relations with Saudi Arabia for the death of Khashoggi, whom the elitists described as a journalist for the Washington Post. He wrote 20 columns for the paper. Now we know the rest of the story. Khashoggi was a propagandist for Qatar, the one gulf state that sides with Syria and Iran. A Saudi paper, Arab News, reported, "Washington Post subtly admits Khashoggi columns were ‘shaped’ by Qatar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 https://securitystudies.org/khashoggi-case-analysis-of-an-information-operation/ “Executive summary The Turkish government successfully used an information operation to elevate the case of Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance into a major international incident with strategic implications. The disappearance of Khashoggi is contemporaneous with the disappearance, and possible murder, of the head of INTERPOL, Meng Hongwe. In one of these cases a highly visible individual with international position vanished without a trace and little fanfare; in the other a stunning amount of media coverage resulted in one of the largest news stories of the year. The US Secretary of State was personally dispatched to investigate, as was later the Director of Central Intelligence. The difference in these cases is caused by the existence of the Turkish information operation (IO), and the absence of any similar operation attempting to push for Chinese accountability. The Turkish government attained success through an adaptation of a Russian technique that the RAND Corporation calls the “Firehoses of Falsehood Propaganda Model.”1 In fact the “Falsehood” aspect of this model is dispensable; the model works much better if the information can be proven true, and still quite well if the information is merely not demonstrably false. What is essential to the model used by the Turks and the Russians is the repeated injection of wild stories, not all at once but in controlled sequence. This creates a building effect similar to the increase of tension in a novel or screenplay. The audience comes to see attaining a resolution as necessary to their personal psychic well-being. A major difference in the Russian model and the Turkish model is that the Russians tend to push their firehose narratives through propaganda outlets of their own creation. Although Turkish-language media supported and helped to drive the narratives, as did Arabic-language media controlled by Turkish ally Qatar, the main outlets that Turkish intelligence used to execute their operation were major Western English- language journalist outlets. This becomes clear upon an intensive study of the data. While protecting the lives of dissidents and journalists are worthy goals, it is also important to a self- governing people to be able to recognize outside attempts to manipulate them or drive them to actions that may not align with their self-interest. Some Western outlets, including the Washington Post, performed reasonably well at alerting their readers to the possibility that these stories were manipulative. Others, especially the New York Times, treated the successive firehoses as if they corroborated one another. Better practices among journalists are necessary in order to ensure that similar operations in the future do not overwhelm clarity of thought in our political process.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: https://securitystudies.org/khashoggi-case-analysis-of-an-information-operation/ “Executive summary The Turkish government successfully used an information operation to elevate the case of Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance into a major international incident with strategic implications... In the end, all the Turks accomplished was tipping the Saudis off that their consulates are compromised. No one is going to remember Khashoggi in 6 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I can’t figure out what the deal is wish Kashogi or however the hell ya spell it. Since when is Haj killing Haj major news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 51 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I can’t figure out what the deal is wish Kashogi or however the hell ya spell it. Since when is Haj killing Haj major news? He was a "journalist" who was killed because the Saudi Prince was emboldened by Trump's anti-media tweets. Or something. Either way, ORANGE MAN BAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: He was a "journalist" who was killed because the Saudi Prince was emboldened by Trump's anti-media tweets. Or something. Either way, ORANGE MAN BAD! Whoever he was, he ain’t worth turning into a Franz Ferdinand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Whoever he was, he ain’t worth turning into a Franz Ferdinand. Somebody's been watching WWI documentaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: Somebody's been watching WWI documentaries Hardly. However I am re-reading The Last Lion series. I’m to the Dardanelle fiasco right now so the war is on the brain. My two favs are Caesar and Churchill. Both worthy of extreme adoration. I continually come back to both. Further, WWI is my special interest. I consider it the most horrific war ever fought and it holds a special place in my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Hardly. However I am re-reading The Last Lion series. I’m to the Dardanelle fiasco right now so the war is on the brain. My two favs are Caesar and Churchill. Both worthy of extreme adoration. I continually come back to both. Further, WWI is my special interest. I consider it the most horrific war ever fought and it holds a special place in my heart. Was it the mustard gas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Was it the mustard gas? Probably the Ottomans. Damn hajis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Was it the mustard gas? Gas Airplanes Submarines Zepplins Tanks Trench warfare Flamethrowers Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. Imagine being a Tommy at the Somme. You go over the top and start walking. You can’t see the enemy trench, the grass is too tall. Then your buddy goes down. Then you go down, and from a machine gunner who can’t even see you. The generals didnt know how to fight in tandem with their new technology. That and “Plan 17” was just so awful. Many, many reasons. Most horrific war ever fought. Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons. Edited December 30, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. I thought he made pizza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Probably the Ottomans. Damn hajis. I wish so badly Constantinople was retaken and the Turks were pushed out of Europe. Oh well. There’s always the next war. 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: I thought he made pizza That was before the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Oh well. There’s always the next war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Gas Airplanes Submarines Zepplins Tanks Trench warfare Flamethrowers Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. Imagine being a Tommy at the Somme. You go over the top and start walking. You can’t see the enemy trench, the grass is too tall. Then your buddy goes down. Then you go down, and from a machine gunner who can’t even see you. The generals didnt know how to fight in tandem with their new technology. That and “Plan 17” was just so awful. Many, many reasons. Most horrific war ever fought. Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons. Red Baron Edited December 30, 2018 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Red Baron Meh. You can spell it. I can lecture on it. I still screw up chose and choose on the regular. Edited December 30, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Gas Airplanes Submarines Zepplins Tanks Trench warfare Flamethrowers Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. Imagine being a Tommy at the Somme. You go over the top and start walking. You can’t see the enemy trench, the grass is too tall. Then your buddy goes down. Then you go down, and from a machine gunner who can’t even see you. The generals didnt know how to fight in tandem with their new technology. That and “Plan 17” was just so awful. Many, many reasons. Most horrific war ever fought. Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons. You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: You're an idiot. Aside from my bad grammar, on which point, Tammy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1079474735237513216 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: Human life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Go Dev Null! The worst (or maybe best) part is the moronery that is the the literal GOP playbook for winning national elections. This is what the current day Republican party is reliant upon to capture the electrical collage. The more muralesque paintings of non college grads from the middle of the US that we can depict the more likely we are to tell people they have to die rather than blow their life savings to try to see their grandchildren’s second Christmas. Can’t have a black guy lead us to a better future, right? The latest is that that they only had 1.7 million saved and so therefore the rest deserved to die because you know, money over life baby! left my lifelong registration last year due to the official highjinxery going on in this embarrassing clown show of a party Edited December 31, 2018 by Thurmal34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Sleep it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: Human life. Spook life. Different rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) On 12/29/2018 at 8:03 PM, The_Dude said: Meh. You can spell it. I can lecture on it. I still screw up chose and choose on the regular. a single 'o' is pronounced like 'o'. a double 'o' is pronounced like 'u'. your welcome. Edited January 12, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: a single 'o' is pronounced like 'o'. a double 'o' is pronounced like 'u'. your welcome. Joke? I hope so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Joke? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Linky thingy all brokey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Nanker said: Linky thingy all brokey Looks like they took it down. It was just a jihadist friend of Khashoggi talking about killing Americans in the ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Looks like they took it down. It was just a jihadist friend of Khashoggi talking about killing Americans in the ME. Oh, Happy Hour talk, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Quote The Trump administration declined Friday to submit a report to Congress determining whether Saudi Arabia’s crown prince is personally responsible for the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Senators had asked for the finding by Friday, with an eye to imposing new human rights sanctions on Saudi Arabia over the journalist’s Oct. 2 killing inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-declines-to-submit-report-to-congress-on-khashoggi-killing/2019/02/08/fdab7f96-2bd4-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.04558c785b91 Hide, stonewall, lie...That's the story of this corrupt administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-declines-to-submit-report-to-congress-on-khashoggi-killing/2019/02/08/fdab7f96-2bd4-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.04558c785b91 Hide, stonewall, lie...That's the story of this corrupt administration Oh, are we still pretending to care about and be outraged by a Saudi who was killed by other Saudis in the Saudi consulate in Turkey? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Oh, are we still pretending to care about and be outraged by a Saudi who was killed by other Saudis in the Saudi consulate in Turkey? Caring that our president is cozying up to and financially linked to these murderers, yes. I totally understand you don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Funny, Tibs, you didn't care at all about Obama "cozying up to and financially linked" to the killers in Tehran... When you don't have principles, you sound silly when the partisan attacks inevitably boomerang (as partisan issues always do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Funny, Tibs, you didn't care at all about Obama "cozying up to and financially linked" to the killers in Tehran... When you don't have principles, you sound silly when the partisan attacks inevitably boomerang (as partisan issues always do). Well, trying to stop Iran from getting a nuke is a little more important to the world than Trump trying to corruptly line his pockets with Saudi money, right? I mean, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Well, trying to stop Iran from getting a nuke is a little more important to the world than Trump trying to corruptly line his pockets with Saudi money, right? I mean, seriously. Shockingly incorrect. 44 was paying off Iran to the tune of billions (in cash), calling off the DEA and FBI from shutting down narcotic and human trafficking routes run by Hezbollah into the United States, selling out classified intelligence of our allies (Stuxnet), all to placate a regime while it's actively killing and engaging our troops on the ground in both Iraq and Syria - all to get a deal signed that would do nothing but accelerate Iran's nuclear program. Meanwhile, the Saudis (who I've railed against for years on this site) have for the past several years been our staunchest ally in the region in the war against extremism (of both the Sunni and Shia variety). One of these things is not like the other. One is legitimate treason. The other is fake news. Edited February 11, 2019 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Shockingly incorrect. 44 was paying off Iran to the tune of billions (in cash), calling off the DEA and FBI from shutting down narcotic and human trafficking routes run by Hezbollah into the United States, selling out classified intelligence of our allies (Stuxnet), all to placate a regime while it's actively killing and engaging our troops on the ground in both Iraq and Syria - all to get a deal signed that would do nothing but accelerate Iran's nuclear program. Meanwhile, the Saudis (who I've railed against for years on this site) have for the past several years been our staunchest ally in the region in the war against extremism (of both the Sunni and Shia variety). One of these things is not like the other. One is legitimate treason. The other is fake news. No, actually it was a nuclear deal that is still working. Good job Obama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, actually it was a nuclear deal that is still working. Are you sure about that? It's not working the way Obama wanted it to anymore. We can thank Trump for that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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