Albwan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: There’s reason to be concerned about Bernie if you’re not in his voting block (dems and reps and independents alike) — so no one should take his campaign lightly... ... That said, I still don’t see a path for him to win. The groups he needs to tap into to have a chance against an incumbent have moved away from him since 2016. Personally I want Bernie v Trump so we, as a country, can have it out over socialism v democracy. It won’t settle that question forever, but it could tap it down for a few decades. I see Trump getting anywhere from 38-40 states if it’s Bernie running against him, plus a complete bloodletting in the House for the dems. That’s optimistic (perhaps too much so) but Bernie has a lot of warts that will be exposed in the months ahead. I hope you're right, I do. I live dead smack in the center of a state i would consider already mostly corrupt and socialist, so I have a hard time being as optimistic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I see Trump getting anywhere from 38-40 states if it’s Bernie running against him, plus a complete bloodletting in the House for the dems. That’s optimistic (perhaps too much so) but Bernie has a lot of warts that will be exposed in the months ahead. I suspect the left realizes this, too, because today is apparently "beat the snotschitt out of Bernie Sanders day" on social media. The ma$sturbation article. The Castro love. His explanation to Anderson Cooper that while he has no effin' clue how much his programs are going to cost, he knows how he's going to pay for it. Throw in a little Bloomberg announcing he's going to spend a billion in lost sofa change to attack Bernie going into Super Tuesday. Bernie needs to go independent. Maybe he can join the Green Party. Surely those batschitt nutbags will take Bernie over an ecosocialist who hysterically promises peace through green jobs. Edited February 24, 2020 by IDBillzFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Koko78 said: Until the Cubans find out Bernie was a big fan of Castro. Did Bernie's interview lose Florida for the Dems? Quote Sanders added, “When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?” There are a lot of “dissidents imprisoned in Cuba,” Cooper noted. Sanders responded, “That's right. And we condemn that. Unlike Donald Trump, let's be clear, you want to — I do not think that Kim Jong Un is a good friend. I don't trade love letters with a murdering dictator. Vladimir Putin, not a great friend of mine.” A couple of things. First, “came into office” is just a remarkable euphemism. Castro did not “come into office” so much as he slaughtered his way to power, which he then held on to with a murderous, tyrannical grip until his death in 2016. Castro was an indisputably evil man, whose long, oppressive reign was bloody and terrible from the very start, which makes Sanders either ignorant or himself evil for defending it. Second, it is hard to imagine that a U.S. senator who is this close to winning his party’s nomination, who has also been in the U.S. Congress for 30 years, would be so stupid as to defend a dictator who is so universally and uniquely despised in the crucial swing state of Florida. Let me remind you that in July 2019, back when Bill de Blasio was still running in the 2020 Democratic primary, the New York City mayor caught all hell from members of his own party after he chanted a phrase popularized by Castro’s right-hand man, Che Guevara, at a labor protest in Miami. “Quoting a murderer responsible for death & oppression in communist Cuba and throughout Latin America is not acceptable. Please apologize,” said Democratic state Sen. Jose Javier Rodriguez on Twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Albwan said: I dunno Bernie might be the perfect storm, lazy freeloaders, dimwits and Trump haters. Better start stockpiling tp, just in case. I actually think that if the Ds were to all rally around Bernie he would have a decent shot. The whole Bernie is like Stalin and Castro is way overblown and most people with a brain realize that. He's running for president, not dictator. As George W Bush himself told us, "a dictatorship would be a lot easier." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Democratic Presidential Clown Car Update for February 24, 2020. “Bernie’s the frontrunner, Bloomberg battered over fat broads and horse-faced lesbians, more slams against #NeverTrump, plus a gratuitous Slashdot joke. “. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: There’s reason to be concerned about Bernie if you’re not in his voting block (dems and reps and independents alike) — so no one should take his campaign lightly... ... That said, I still don’t see a path for him to win. The groups he needs to tap into to have a chance against an incumbent have moved away from him since 2016. Personally I want Bernie v Trump so we, as a country, can have it out over socialism v democracy. It won’t settle that question forever, but it could tap it down for a few decades. I see Trump getting anywhere from 38-40 states if it’s Bernie running against him, plus a complete bloodletting in the House for the dems. That’s optimistic (perhaps too much so) but Bernie has a lot of warts that will be exposed in the months ahead. ...STILL astonishes me how this clown has the traction he does....the "Gimme Crowd" took the bait............ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I actually think that if the Ds were to all rally around Bernie he would have a decent shot. The whole Bernie is like Stalin and Castro is way overblown and most people with a brain realize that. He's running for president, not dictator. As George W Bush himself told us, "a dictatorship would be a lot easier." Wow. If Bernie succeeded with enough of his stupid plans, it would inevitably lead to dictatorship just like it has everywhere else it's been tried. He might not personally have a lot of people slaughtered, but eventually it would happen. Bernie might not be like Stalin or Castro but the system he wants is like the system they wanted. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Wow. If Bernie succeeded with enough of his stupid plans, it would inevitably lead to dictatorship just like it has everywhere else it's been tried. He might not personally have a lot of people slaughtered, but eventually it would happen. Bernie might not be like Stalin or Castro but the system he wants is like the system they wanted. ...not to worry!!....his all Vermont ticket with VP Howard Dean should be a winner............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Wow. If Bernie succeeded with enough of his stupid plans, it would inevitably lead to dictatorship just like it has everywhere else it's been tried. He might not personally have a lot of people slaughtered, but eventually it would happen. Bernie might not be like Stalin or Castro but the system he wants is like the system they wanted. Only congress could pass "Medicare for All". Good luck with that one. Same for free college and forgiven student loans. Lending institutions that bought enough congress people to get it passed that student loans can't be forgiven by bankruptcy won't sit on their hands while this happens. As to the bolded, it usually happens the other way around. The socialist/communist dictator run regimes I know of, they overtook the country by revolution and instituted communism/socialism like Castro and the European communist countries (East Germany, Poland, Romania, etc.) when they were taken over by force 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Say what you will about his policies, but socialism is an economic system independent from authoritarianism(as it is perceived). Pretty sure Denmark doesn't have authoritarian rule. Food stamps are socialist. Medicaid is socialist. He would like to implement MORE social safety nets while those on the right want less. So we're debating degrees of socialism. I was thinking about food stamps and Medicaid today and the unintended consequences of pulling the plug on these programs. Crime would almost certainly increase and the workforce would be flooded with unskilled workers who currently get by with these scraps. Would that have a positive outcome? Essentially, corporations would gain leverage and those wage increases we've seen( largely aided by minimum wage laws) would stagnate. Additionally, the unemployment rate would skyrocket as the current number does not reflect those not "looking for a job." I glean these freebies cause a great deal of distress for some, but I'm not so sure they don't help the economy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Pretty sure Denmark doesn't have authoritarian rule. Denmark is not a socialist country though. They're a free market capitalist economy with extensive social welfare programs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Denmark is not a socialist country though. They're a free market capitalist economy with extensive social welfare programs. Right. But most people have no idea what "socialism" actually entails. It has far more to do with the means of production than it does healthcare(although govt. control of healthcare COULD be considered "means of production") or minimum wage. I'm pretty sure Sanders proposals do not rise to the level of true socialism, although it's nebulous. Communism involves total state control, as I'm sure you know. Socialism is tricky in that it's somewhere in between. Point being, most of the proposals being put forth have been enacted in countries like Denmark for many years and Denmark has not become a dictatorship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Say what you will about his policies, but socialism is an economic system independent from authoritarianism(as it is perceived). Pretty sure Denmark doesn't have authoritarian rule. Food stamps are socialist. Medicaid is socialist. He would like to implement MORE social safety nets while those on the right want less. So we're debating degrees of socialism. I was thinking about food stamps and Medicaid today and the unintended consequences of pulling the plug on these programs. Crime would almost certainly increase and the workforce would be flooded with unskilled workers who currently get by with these scraps. Would that have a positive outcome? Essentially, corporations would gain leverage and those wage increases we've seen( largely aided by minimum wage laws) would stagnate. Additionally, the unemployment rate would skyrocket as the current number does not reflect those not "looking for a job." I glean these freebies cause a great deal of distress for some, but I'm not so sure they don't help the economy. Trump is taking away food stamps from people by pushing policies that raise the economic fortunes of those on food stamps to the level that makes them no longer qualified for food stamps. Wage increases are not fueled by the raising of minimum wage. As an example Walmart (in NYS) is presently offering $13.75 an hour for raw rookies to come to work for them. By the end of this year that will be $15.00 an hour. NYS minimum wage is $11.80 per hour in most areas. Obviously in WNY the state minimum wage is not what has caused wages to go up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @IDBillzFan an ad hominem clutz like you pisses upon Jen and others sanctimoniously....pretending you have an experience in campaigns or at the Dept O State as I do surely qualified you to fart away a 4 word bumper sticker of mine when I ran for Congress.....using "EcoSocialism" as an epithet raises your IQ above 99...congratulations tail gunner Joe McCarthy....Bernie can use you dreaming up insults against Amy in Minnesota where she won't quit until after her primary favorite daughter swan song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @3rdnlng @LSHMEAB thank you 2 for the first respectful discussion freed from the pissing loons here.....correction # 1 since Fort Worthless Newt Gingrich put welfare cuts on Slick Willie Oval Office Desk, parents with children have a 5 year lifetime limit imposed in a 2 year then another 2 year staging while requiring work search for pregnant women and taking minimum wage jobs if offered with child care & Medicaid extension for parents and continued coverage for children to age 18 if medically needy.....I shall offer more corrections if people here want to get involved with improving state by state variances helping the working poor victims of socialism for the rich like TrumpOLINI Bloomberg Amazon GM GE ExxonMobil et al like the remaining Kock Bros fascist alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Rubin is such a drifter grifter. Can't wait until she embraces socialism on "principle." These Never Trump Republicans are beginning to realize the Dems don't give a crap about them in choosing their nominee. FTFY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 5:01 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Food for thought. (But they're not communists!) Who is Pradheep J. Shanker? You have put a lot of his tweets up and so I googled him and got bupkis. Why should I care about his opinion? 5 hours ago, Albwan said: I dunno Bernie might be the perfect storm, lazy freeloaders, dimwits and Trump haters. Better start stockpiling tp, just in case. I'd like to think I'm none of the 3. I work hard and have since I got my first job at 14, am college educated, and dont hate Trump. The government wastes a ton of money. I'd rather see them "waste" that money on improved health care and education in place of endless war, conflict, and tax cuts for corporations/the rich in the name of bs trickle down economics. 32 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Wage increases are not fueled by the raising of minimum wage. As an example Walmart (in NYS) is presently offering $13.75 an hour for raw rookies to come to work for them. By the end of this year that will be $15.00 an hour. NYS minimum wage is $11.80 per hour in most areas. Obviously in WNY the state minimum wage is not what has caused wages to go up. I'm going to disagree here. NYS minimum wage is indeed 11.80 however fast food minimum wage (yes that's a thing) is 13.75. Therefore many employers have been forced to offer something similar as they compete for the same workforce. Do you think someone care if McDonalds or WalMart signs their check? Of course not. The minimum wage increase has been very beneficial to low wage workers in that it has created choice for them. It has forced employers to pay more directly because of the raising of minimum wage. The added benefit is they make enough to come off public assistance programs. The raised minimum wage had zero to do with Trump though. It was workers in NYC organizing and started in 2015. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: FTFY Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, section122 said: Who is Pradheep J. Shanker? You have put a lot of his tweets up and so I googled him and got bupkis. Why should I care about his opinion? I'd like to think I'm none of the 3. I work hard and have since I got my first job at 14, am college educated, and dont hate Trump. The government wastes a ton of money. I'd rather see them "waste" that money on improved health care and education in place of endless war, conflict, and tax cuts for corporations/the rich in the name of bs trickle down economics. You think that government wastes a lot of money when it's in charge of 15% of the economy, so your solution is to hand over another 30% and that will fix things? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: As to the bolded, it usually happens the other way around. The socialist/communist dictator run regimes I know of, they overtook the country by revolution and instituted communism/socialism like Castro and the European communist countries (East Germany, Poland, Romania, etc.) when they were taken over by force Venezuela begs to differ. Edited February 25, 2020 by Koko78 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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