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It was a moment so surreal, it seemed almost like a dream. During Fox News’s Monday night town hall with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), host Bret Baier asked audience members how many had private health insurance. A large majority raised their hands. He then followed up by asking how many would like to see Medicare-for-all enacted. Almost all the same hands went up — remember, this was on Fox News! — with wild cheers to boot.

Baier’s action violated a major rule of lawyers: Never ask a witness on the stand a question to which you don’t know the answer. However, I must point out, only in the Fox News bubble would anyone be surprised by the popularity of Medicare-for-all — polls routinely find more than half of Americans say they support it, including one from last year that found a majority of Republicans say they back Sanders’s signature initiative.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/16/how-fox-news-accidentally-revealed-truth-about-support-medicare-for-all/?utm_term=.74d5a1e61386

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4 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Not just charity.  Charitable deductions.  Literally, assuming charity doesn't count unless it's on your tax return.  

 

rich liberals gave nothing to charity for the years i did tax returns for the rich and famous

 

 

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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Did someone say something about climate change being related to gender inequity?

Well, the Green New Deal certainly did, and I pointed out that it was one of the reasons that the bill absolutely was NOT about a serious discussion. See below.

 

On 4/11/2019 at 5:50 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If they wanted a serious discussion on the environment and climate change they wouldn't have shoe-horned in all of the social inequity and policy that has no relation to environmental policy. It was never about a serious discussion, it was about numbing the American people to socialist policies based on race and gender.

Here was your response

 

On 4/11/2019 at 6:47 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Once again, I'm talking about global warming, I'm not focused on the Green New Deal, specifically, though I like that it was put forward and is such a big talking point. 

 

I think Inslee's plan is closer to something that realistically should/might happen, though I just don't think he's a viable candidate at this point.  But what he said about the Green New Deal being "aspirational" is exactly how I feel.

 

But there's absolutely an aspect of social inequity that's interconnected with climate change.  If you accept that global warming/climate change is real, it's almost illogical to assume the 2 are completely disconnected.

Here's my subsequent request

 

On 4/11/2019 at 7:54 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Go ahead and connect those dots with something substantive.

And then radio silence. So please, tell me about how climate change specifically impacts different races and genders more than others. If you want to argue class, that's certainly a discussion and there are points on both sides, but definitely not race or gender.

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18 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Hours After Pigs' Death, Scientists Restore Brain Cell Activity

 

Posted here, because three of them have already announced their candidacy for the 2020 presidential campaign.  The rest have just declared their support for AOC.

Here's their lineup:

 

This little piggy went to market,
 
This little piggy stayed home,
 
This little piggy had roast beef,
 
This little piggy had none.
 
This little piggy went ...
 
Wee, wee, wee,********
all the way home!
 
********* HAHA Gator is not only part of your linked study but he's running for office too.
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32 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

'Cause he's racist.  

Apparently homophobic too. He's already written off mayor Pete because he's gay. Not because he's a marxist, but because he's gay. 

 

This guy's virtue signal gets weaker and weaker every time he comes down here. 

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3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Imagine if the Dems nominated a pathological liar! lol, you guys would probably call him out over it! 

 

I don't have to imagine.

 

I'm old enough to remember when Bill Clinton was nominated.

 

And 2 years ago when that lady with her pants on fire got nominated.

 

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2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't have to imagine.

 

I'm old enough to remember when Bill Clinton was nominated.

 

And 2 years ago when that lady with her pants on fire got nominated.

 

 

she was the greatest and most qualified candidate in US history, then she lost and they all said she was the worst candidate in history

 

 

and 2/3 of the GOP and 2/3 of "conservative" writers wish she would have won

 

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6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

she was the greatest and most qualified candidate in US history, then she lost and they all said she was the worst candidate in history

 

 

and 2/3 of the GOP and 2/3 of "conservative" writers wish she would have won

 

She was so good she even had a special class of dog named---------------------Cankle Biter.

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12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

She was so good she even had a special class of dog named---------------------Cankle Biter.

 

the best part was the media kept trying to say Trump looked like crap and was fat.... which immediately caused us to think that...... ummmmmmm....

 

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5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Honestly have a hard time caring what you think. Also honestly having a hard time understanding why you're here spewing virtue.

 

 

The feeling is mutual  :thumbsup:

4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Well, the Green New Deal certainly did, and I pointed out that it was one of the reasons that the bill absolutely was NOT about a serious discussion. See below.

 

Here was your response

 

Here's my subsequent request

 

And then radio silence. So please, tell me about how climate change specifically impacts different races and genders more than others. If you want to argue class, that's certainly a discussion and there are points on both sides, but definitely not race or gender.

 

In other words, you brought up gender, not me.

 

Thanks for providing evidence of that! :thumbsup:

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4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

The feeling is mutual  :thumbsup:

 

In other words, you brought up gender, not me.

 

Thanks for providing evidence of that! :thumbsup:

So you're abandoning the part about

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But there's absolutely an aspect of social inequity that's interconnected with climate change.  If you accept that global warming/climate change is real, it's almost illogical to assume the 2 are completely disconnected.

because absolutely and almost illogical typically describe things that are simple to point out. That was your response to my statement, which clearly included racial and gender inequity. If you didn't read that far before making your statement I understand though.

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13 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

So you're abandoning the part about

because absolutely and almost illogical typically describe things that are simple to point out. That was your response to my statement, which clearly included racial and gender inequity. If you didn't read that far before making your statement I understand though.

 

Clearly included gender equity, huh?

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Tell me more about what I said but really meant.

13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

No it's not. I don't come down here and moralize from a position of complete amorality.

 

But please, by all means, carry on.

 

 

By all means, ignore me.

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5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Clearly included gender equity, huh?

Nicolas-Cage-Laugh-LOL.gif

Tell me more about what I said but really meant. 

 

By all means, ignore me.

Not sure how I could've been clearer

On 4/11/2019 at 5:50 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If they wanted a serious discussion on the environment and climate change they wouldn't have shoe-horned in all of the social inequity and policy that has no relation to environmental policy. It was never about a serious discussion, it was about numbing the American people to socialist policies based on race and gender.

But sure, by all means, please clarify what you meant by

 

On 4/11/2019 at 6:47 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

But there's absolutely an aspect of social inequity that's interconnected with climate change.  If you accept that global warming/climate change is real, it's almost illogical to assume the 2 are completely disconnected. 

 

I'm still eagerly awaiting backup of any kind.

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18 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Still working on that connection between climate change and racial/gender inequity?

https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/1526380054794835

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0309132516646495

https://www.opencanada.org/features/inequality-explained-7-ways-climate-change-and-inequality-are-connected/

https://inequality.org/great-divide/confronting-climate-change-in-a-deeply-unequal-world/

http://oxfordre.com/climatescience/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228620.001.0001/acrefore-9780190228620-e-412

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/02/15/how-racial-and-regional-inequality-affect-economic-opportunity/amp/

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/06/global-warming-american-south/532200/

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/Cascade/index.html?appid=2106693b39454f0eb0abc5c2ddf9ce40

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroot.com/race-and-class-are-the-biggest-issues-around-hurricane-1798536183/amp

 

 

Your counter? Hope I get something other than the Ad Hominem attack I'm expecting.

 

And I'm sure you'll be able to very easily refute each and every one of those links (some clearly more credible than others) and not just attack one while trying to ignore the others.

 

I have more... just not spending a lot of time on this with the schedule release today and finally watching the GoT premiere.

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4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Your counter? Hope I get something other than the Ad Hominem attack I'm expecting.

 

And I'm sure you'll be able to very easily refute each and every one of those links (some clearly more credible than others) and not just attack one while trying to ignore the others.

 

I have more... just not spending a lot of time on this with the schedule release today and finally watching the GoT premiere.

Uh huh. So after informing me that I don't know what you think or really mean you make a post with no salient points. Just links, and you expect me to form your conclusion for you? I am genuinely confused on what you expect me to 'counter'.

 

Look, this type of post honestly has no business here and is not in good faith imo. A good faith post would have presented points and backed them up, as necessary, with linked source material. This feels like, and I could be mistaken, a post where you had no actual informed points, so you googled the topic and pasted some links - even admitting that some of your sources are lacking credibility. It legitimately boils down to ' Well, there are some studies out there from the past 15 years.'

 

Regardless, I will take a look at them over time (my office blocks all foreign domains and social media, so 75% has to wait until 6 or later).

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