To the Bills fans who said you would rather have better draft pick than a win

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Well he tagged me in it, and I wasn't offended that he did.

I don't think he was being malicious.

I'm good with it.

Thank you for getting it. Definitely did not have malicious intent. I was wondering if you (and others) have seen enough to be optimistic yet, or if you view this game as an anomaly. I am well aware that you never said you were cheering AGAINST the Bills, just that you were not cheering for a win "right now".  I would imagine another game or two like this one will go a long way towards increased optimism amongst our fan base.

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, PeterDude said:

The two most important goals for this season are to see true development of Allen at QB while getting high draft selections to rebuild the OL, WR & RB positions with young talent.  For the later, the more loses you have, generally the better talent you will be able to select come draft time.  What's more important, a few more wins to a losing season or better players for the future? 

 

You develop by learning how to win. Not by learning how to lose.  Stop w this insanity. 

[PeterDude]

5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

You develop by learning how to win. Not by learning how to lose.  Stop w this insanity. 

 

No one here is saying they need to lose on purpose, or coach to lose... It's more a question as to what fans WANT out of the season, what's best for the team long term.

Edited September 24, 2018 by PeterDude

[SouthNYfan]

11 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Thank you for getting it. Definitely did not have malicious intent. I was wondering if you (and others) have seen enough to be optimistic yet, or if you view this game as an anomaly. I am well aware that you never said you were cheering AGAINST the Bills, just that you were not cheering for a win "right now".  I would imagine another game or two like this one will go a long way towards increased optimism amongst our fan base.

 

I was always optimistic about the future, after this season, going forward.

I was okay with taking a "mulligan" this year, with all our dead cap and rookie qb., combined with our oline and wr situations.

I know I said I would like a bad record and a high draft pick, but we have a ton of cap space, and looking at big name free agents, they will be less likely to sign here if we are hot garbage this year, so having a really good season with a really good rookie franchise QB and a top flight defense could lure in good free agents.

I don't think we are as good as the score entailed yesterday.

We had some crazy sack-fumbles early on in their territory, which gave us a big boost early.

I Don't foresee that happening all the time.

I'm optimistic and would be happy if we win and are actually good, but not happy if we pull off another 8-8 mediocre campaign.

Anyway, go Allen, go bills.

[GreggTX]

Cheering for a better draft pick is always a consolation prize. It's like worshipping a false idol. The players want to keep their jobs, so they want to win and play well. When you don't win, it only means that you have that much further to go to become a winning team.

[John from Riverside]

I aways feel better with the W

 

The thing is.....getting a W in 7 or 8 games doesnt get us into the playoffs and keeps us out of the blue chip draft picks

 

That is the problem.....we have done too much of that while teams like the jags biuld their dominant defense out of high draft picks.

[Buffalo Boy]

This is right where I was last year but I KNEW TT wasn’t a franchise QB.

Games like yesterday when you are blown away by the results are special!!!!

We just might have a Franchise QB.

Not crowning him yet but smiling ?

[Scott7975]

I was and still am estatic about the win.  I just don't want to be another one of those teams that has a few feel good wins but finishes like 6-10 or 7-9 and ends up with a pick outside the top 10.  Either contend or get a high draft pick.  Winning a few feel good games might feel good in the moment but come draft time it sucks.  Its part of the reason why this team was so bad for so long.

 

For instance last season... It feels great that we got the monkey off our backs, but what could we have done for our QB if we didn't trade away draft picks to get him?

Edited September 24, 2018 by Scott7975

[sleeby]

I doubt anyone wanted 0-16.  Jeez.  I'm ok with 4 wins and even more so with 10 but 7 or 8 wins is meh.  

 

The season is already a success as I see it.  The D is not as bad as thought after preseason through week 2, JA is the QB, the process and coaches are alive and well.  2018 is about root growth and not pretty flowers or fruits imo.   Grow or die.  2019 will see upgrades for the spots that did not improve over the course of this season.  Giddy up.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Anybody who is looking towards the draft in week 1, or hoping for losses before we are eliminated should just go watch college football. If we are still in it, I want us to win every game. No draft bull **** until it’s officially over

[wiskibreth]

Draft position is almost meaningless to me.  It's been proven over and over that with good evaluation there's great talent, difference makers, in the first round all over the board.

 

Intentionally "tanking" is a myth.  Willfully losing for a better draft spot is simply not an option.

 

You've got to remember, every time these players and coaches step onto the field, they're literally playing for their careers.  What players put on tape determines their future earning potential; whether this team or their next.  What kind of contract you think they earn next time if the tape shows them "phoning it in".

 

Coaches need to stay off the hot seat, else their head coaching career becomes short, and their assistant's even shorter.  These people have families at stake.  You think they ever think about next year's draft pick position in light of having to find a new job or uproot the family again?  I don;t think so.

 

[Soda Popinski]

18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I aways feel better with the W

 

The thing is.....getting a W in 7 or 8 games doesnt get us into the playoffs and keeps us out of the blue chip draft picks

 

That is the problem.....we have done too much of that while teams like the jags biuld their dominant defense out of high draft picks.

If we draft better consistently, we won't be winning only 7-8 games.  We haven't drafted well at all in the past 20 years.   

[John from Riverside]

I will tell you what....McD certainly is not coaching to lose

1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said:

If we draft better consistently, we won't be winning only 7-8 games.  We haven't drafted well at all in the past 20 years.   

I feel like our last 2 drafts may have been pretty good......the big thing is getting those top draft picks right and hoping that some late projects work out....the Milano pick is a perfect example.

[Doc Brown]

The only time I remember actively rooting for my favorite team to lose was the year of the McDavid/Eichel draft.  I wanted to guarantee we got one of those guys.  It sucked rooting for the Penguins near the end of the year.  If there was a clear cut #1 (say a Bruce Smith) that was head and shoulders above the rest of the pack and we were 1-12 of whatever then I could see the rationale of rooting against this team.  Other than that, forget it.

[Soda Popinski]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I will tell you what....McD certainly is not coaching to lose

I feel like our last 2 drafts may have been pretty good......the big thing is getting those top draft picks right and hoping that some late projects work out....the Milano pick is a perfect example.

hopefully Teller and McCloud will be good examples too.  

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Soda Popinski said:

hopefully Teller and McCloud will be good examples too.  

I think Teller doesnt get a shot unless we have an injury....but I think if he gets his shot he is a starter and we never look back.

 

It is amazing how just average center play made that much of a difference on this line

[Aussie Joe]

I want then to be winning games and Allen and the other young guys on this team  to be developing confidence for the future..

 

As has been said earlier , having the high pick in itself doesn’t mean anything..

 

2011 draft is a case in point... Bills picked Dareus at 3 when there were 10 better players they could have picked..

Edited September 24, 2018 by Aussie Joe

[Mark92]

I will admit that I am on the camp that was ready for the #1 pick.  For me,  I don't want us to go 6-10 and miss the playoffs and end up with the 13th pick.  If we are going to miss the playoffs I want a decent pick so we can get a game changer.  I know where my fandom with the Bills is at so I don't need anyone questioning it.  The bigger question is how many of you were pissed when Allen was drafted?  There are videos showing your identity by the way all over the web.  

[GrizzReaper]

I never want them to lose... My Sunday is wrecked when they lose bad like they did the first two weeks. Now if it's like week 14 and they only have one or two wins and are genuinely in the hunt for the top pick the I'm not gonna lie I'd rather they take the Ls and get the pick.

 

At week 3 at 1-2 no way... I'm still optimistic they can win games. Honestly I think it's even premature to say they're going to be horrid all year. They just went and beat down a talented Vikings team in their own place. You don't do that with a horrible team looking to lose out. So I'm looking forward to next week. We get to make an assessment was the Vikings a fluke win or is this team better than we are crediting them for?

[Soda Popinski]

we also have 10 picks in 2019 if we want someone bad enough, move up and get him.  we don't need 10 rookies.   We need 3-4 starters to go with the 3-4 starters we sign in free agency.  And then we need 3-4 developmental guys like a Milano or a Teller.  

 

They get this OL sorted out, and get some WRs in who can catch, the defense will continue to get better as Edmunds grows and we find a long term solution to #2CB.