Getting a little concerned with the frequency of blowout games we are completely overmatched from the get go under McDermott

[CuddyDark]

McDermott is not the problem. They have a pretend GM. His big signings all mostly busts. He's not a scout. He don't seem to know players. McDermott is in his first HC'ing job but he's been coaching for 30 years with pretty good success. Beane is like a young Russ Brandon.

[Dablitzkrieg]

I am starting to lose confidence in the coaches.  This is not only this year, but last as well.  The ability to identify talent appears flawed at times, putting "culture guys" ahead of talent.  

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

McDermott is not the problem. They have a pretend GM. His big signings all mostly busts. He's not a scout. He don't seem to know players. McDermott is in his first HC'ing job but he's been coaching for 30 years with pretty good success. Beane is like a young Russ Brandon.

 

 

Ill say this: I do agree Beane has a big hand in this too. Cannot believe the Bills left the QB cupboard so bare with Allen needing time to develop.

MAJOR mistake.

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

1. In a 17 game stretch, as a NFL Head Coach you have lead your team to not 1, not 2, but 3 games where your team has lost by 30 points or MORE 54-24, 47-10, and 47-3.

 

Another game at the Jets, the score was much closer then the compete level, on national TV and another embarrassment. 38-24 final was a complete mirage.

 

That is 4 performances that were completely embarrassing. That is 4/17 career games. Terrible ratio.

 

How many good coaches do you know have those kinds of performances on their resume?

 

PLUS, the coach has some kind of strange obsession with a 5th round pick from Pitt, and not only is that QB bad in 2 games, it costs the Bills Tyrod Taylor, and AJ McCarron as they are both jettisoned in large part to McDermott's odd infatuation with NP.

 

Some might say these are fireable offenses. Count me in as one of them.

 

I have ZERO trust that Sean McDermott has the ability to select the right QB for this team.

  Seriously?  I don't think McDermott/Beane are going any place and it will take a tire fire that can be seen from the International Space Station for the entire season to get them fired at the conclusion of the season.  Unfortunately, Ralph's last decade and change where we changed coaches every two to three years has created a situation where Buffalo is not attractive to prospective HC hires.  We have to prove to the coaching world that a coach will get time to fairly demonstrate his abilities.

[Mark80]

8 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

 

Im not saying Taylor is a long term answer, but I have to think McDermott's 'pious' obsession with NP has cost him dearly in the locker room, and they are botching Josh Allen's developement similar to that of EJ.

 

Andy Reid drafted Mahomes and they kept Alex Smith there, Im sure that had a very positive effect on Mahomes.

 

Even Mahomes said how much of a positive influence Chad Henne is.

 

Where is that vet here to mentor Josh Allen?

 

McDermott is a fool.

 

So, let me get this straight.  EJ, who was thrown in to start week 1, had his development botched by starting too soon.  Now you are saying Josh Allen's development is botched by not starting week 1.  Hum, interesting.  They seem like the exact opposite scenarios from where I'm sitting.  Cool story though.

 

Dude got us into the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs on our team and you want to fire him because he continues to execute on the organizations long term goals / plan and you demand instant gratification from a team which is clearly not ready yet talent wise to compete on a regular basis?  By all accounts this team over performed last year, and McD was a big part of that.  You build the culture first, sacrificing talent over the type of person they want in some cases.  But, after you do have a strong locker room then you can add high talent, but riskier personality wise, guys that your close team can handle and foster.

 

Calm down buddy.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Mark80

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

McDermott is not the problem. They have a pretend GM. His big signings all mostly busts. He's not a scout. He don't seem to know players. McDermott is in his first HC'ing job but he's been coaching for 30 years with pretty good success. Beane is like a young Russ Brandon.

 

I fairly confident that McDermott is the primary decision maker at OBD. 

 

Beane is McDermott's puppet. 

[jahnyc]

I am worried about the poor planning and execution that went into this offseason for things that were under their control.  Maybe they thought the fans would give them a mulligan for this season because we unexpectedly made the playoffs last season.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

1. In a 17 game stretch, as a NFL Head Coach you have lead your team to not 1, not 2, but 3 games where your team has lost by 30 points or MORE 54-24, 47-10, and 47-3.

 

Another game at the Jets, the score was much closer then the compete level, on national TV and another embarrassment. 38-24 final was a complete mirage.

 

That is 4 performances that were completely embarrassing. That is 4/17 career games. Terrible ratio.

 

How many good coaches do you know have those kinds of performances on their resume?

 

PLUS, the coach has some kind of strange obsession with a 5th round pick from Pitt, and not only is that QB bad in 2 games, it costs the Bills Tyrod Taylor, and AJ McCarron as they are both jettisoned in large part to McDermott's odd infatuation with NP.

 

Some might say these are fireable offenses. Count me in as one of them.

 

I have ZERO trust that Sean McDermott has the ability to select the right QB for this team.

 

Wouldn't the personnel decisions such as selecting QB, lie at the feet of the GM?

 

I don't know if McDermott and Beane are the right guys.  But I do know that this cycle of hiring and firing coaches and GMs every 2-3 years has got to stop.

It's no coincidence that the teams in the league who have had the most consistent success, are those with the longest tenured GMs/HCs.

[BringBackFergy]

Do you guys think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

[Like A Mofo]

4 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

 

So, let me get this straight.  EJ, who was thrown in to start week 1, had his development botched by starting too soon.  Now you are saying Josh Allen's development is botched by not starting week 1.  Hum, interesting.  They seem like the exact opposite scenarios from where I'm sitting.  Cool story though.

 

Dude got us into the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs on our team and you want to fire him because he continues to execute on the organizations long term goals / plan and you demand instant gratification from a team which is clearly not ready yet talent wise to compete on a regular basis?  By all accounts this team over performed last year, and McD was a big part of that. 

 

Calm down buddy.

 

 

Where is a true vet to lead this team for several weeks?

 

Where is a QB who has years of experience that can be valuable for Josh Allen?

 

Nowhere to be found: Beane sent him to Oakland.

 

No, we kept Peterman, who telegraphs throws and is nowhere near a functional starter. That is squarely on McBeane, and I believe puts them on the chopping block.

 

Is that THAT bad of an oversight.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Like A Mofo

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Wouldn't the personnel decisions such as selecting QB, lie at the feet of the GM?

 

I don't know if McDermott and Beane are the right guys.  But I do know that this cycle of hiring and firing coaches and GMs every 2-3 years has got to stop.

It's no coincidence that the teams in the league who have had the most consistent success, are those with the longest tenured GMs/HCs.

 

Chicken or the egg, right?

 

Are they the longest tenured because they are the most successful?

Or

Are they successful because they are long tenured and allowed to see their plan play out?

[FLXbillsmafia]

Including yesterday's disaster, the Bills have now lost 5 games by at least 20 points in the 18 games McDermott has coached (and this doesn't even count the Jets game in which the bills trailed 34-7 before scoring 2 garbage TDs). 

 

By comparison, in the 4 years under Marrone and Ryan, the Bills only lost 1 game by that margin. Even the Browns, who went 1-31 the past two years,  only had 5 such blowouts in that 32 game span. This just shows how, in today's NFL, it is literally HARD to lose games like the Bills have against the Saints, Chargers, Ravens, etc.

 

Now, I still think a brighter future is ahead as long as Allen is legit (a big if), but this "process" may be longer than people thought. I don't think it is an overreaction to say that Bills may set records for futility this year. The 2017 Browns would have beat this team like a drum yesterday. It is scary to think what the Bills point differential will be this year. 

[Mark80]

6 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

 

Where is a true vet to lead this team for several weeks?

 

Nowhere to be found: Beane sent him to Oakland.

 

No, we kept Peterman, who telegraphs throws and is nowhere near a functional starter. That is squarely on McBeane, and I believe puts them on the chopping block.

 

Is that THAT bad of an oversight.

 

So, keeping AJ McCarron, the fantastic "vet" you call for who coudln't even start for the Bengals, is some high and mighty influence who is going to determine Josh Allen's career path.   My lord, get a hold of yourself friend.  Do you realize how crazy that sounds?  You have no idea whatsoever what kind of leader / mentor AJ is / would have been to Josh.  He is a career back-up QB who has been in the league a whopping 4 years. 

 

And at first you want McD fired, now you want Beane fired too.  You have lost it, completely lost it. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Mark80

[jrober38]

I'm beginning to sense that McDermott might be our version of Josh McDaniels when he was in Denver; an inexperienced coach with too much power who went out of his way to gut the roster and bring in his own guys, who ultimately aren't good enough. 

 

I think we might be heading towards a serious train wreck. Our roster is terrible and I don't think this regime has adequately shown they can identify talent. 

[BillsFan130]

To answer your question , they are fireable offences to have those outcomes in the NFL.

 

But the Bills are not going to fire McD. At least not this year 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I'm depressed.  My parents are !@#$s for making me a Bills fan 

Just now, jrober38 said:

I'm beginning to sense that McDermott might be our version of Josh McDaniels when he was in Denver; an inexperienced coach with too much power who went out of his way to gut the roster and bring in his own guys, who ultimately aren't good enough. 

 

I think we might be heading towards a serious train wreck. Our roster is terrible and I don't think this regime has adequately shown they can identify talent. 

Reminds me of Chip Kelly, trading away the most talent, bringing in crap and then getting canned.

[skibum]

I think the offenses are more on the GM side.

 

Lots of openly stupid moves have been made, and somehow sold to us as solid gold. We are supposed to believe this is a team of diamonds in the rough, "process" guys with the right attitude, if not the pedigree. But we all saw yesterday how important high-level talent is to success in the NFL. This front office has made habit of jettisoning its most talented players, replacing them with JAGs, and eating the dead cap money. Look at the press guide - it breaks down the draft position of every player on the team. It's astonishing how many UDFAs and low-round picks there are. Lots of low ceilings. 

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, Mark80 said:

 

So, keeping AJ McCarron, the fantastic "vet" you call for who coudln't even start for the Bengals, is some high and mighty influence who is going to determine Josh Allen's career path.   My lord, get a hold of yourself friend.  Do you realize how crazy that sounds?  You have no idea whatsoever what kind of leader / mentor AJ is / would have been to Josh.  He is a career back-up QB.  

 

And at first you want McD fired, now you want Beane fired too.  You have lost it, completely lost it. 

 

 

I am saying its time to take off the rose colored glasses here.

 

I have lost a lot of trust in McBeane.

 

Patrick Mahomes said yesterday loud and clear how much he learned playing behind a guy like Alex Smith and now a guy like Chad Henne, Really credited them.

 

Who will Josh Allen credit?

 

AJ McCarron isn't fantastic, but he is a HELL of a lot better then pious NP.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

We could see similar results in the next three contests.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm depressed.  My parents are !@#$s for making me a Bills fan 

Reminds me of Chip Kelly, trading away the most talent, bringing in crap and then getting canned.

 

That's another good example. 

 

Year 1 each of these guys made the playoffs, and in year 2 the wheels completely came off and each team imploded.