Cover 1: Aaron Quinn's "Closing Arguments" Case for Starting Allen

[LEBills]

I’m completely good with starting JA. I think game 3 showed what he has to work on but did not show how he or this team will actually play in the season.

 

However, if you do start JA, there is no going backwards. No switching to Peterman or McCarron trying to save the season after a couple of losses. You ride it out with Allen and let him learn.

 

I think Peterman will be the starter because of this though. They know they can’t go from Josh to Nate midway through the season but they know they can go from Nate to Josh without much criticism.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Michael Lombardi: Start Josh Allen; 'Ridiculous' to play Nate Peterman because offensive line stinks

 

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

 

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

 

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You're right and they were already booing horrible OL play.

I am truly awaiting what the OL will look like when DC's are game planning stunts and 5 man rushes.

Don't name Peterman the "starter" just let him start the 1st game.

That decision can easily be made and explained by McDermott.

 

 

...pull a "Belichick"....

 

Allen-questionable; hangnail

McCarron-questionable; sore shoulder

Peterman-questionable; quick outitis

 

...should be good.............

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...pull a "Belichick"....

 

Allen-questionable; hangnail

McCarron-questionable; sore shoulder

Peterman-questionable; quick outitis

 

...should be good.............

 

Well done!

LOL

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Did McD reference the opponents? I thought he simply said Peterman had been consistent.

https://www.buffalobills.com/_mobileview/news/where-qb-competition-is-headed-going-into-final-preseason-week

 

 

When you look across all three games to this point, including practice, but let's just take the games, he has shown that consistency, which is good to see," said McDermott. "A young player just in the start of his second season who has shown some poise and some understanding of how the NFL works in terms of defensive schemes. So I've watched him grow and develop, which is good to see. Still more work to do, but I think he has been consistent, which is important at the quarterback position."

[starrymessenger]

22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Michael Lombardi: Start Josh Allen; 'Ridiculous' to play Nate Peterman because offensive line stinks

 

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

 

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

 

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

 

Peterman, for now, will get the ball out quicker, will be more accurate with it, and will better synchronize his drops with the patterns his receivers will be running.

Lombardi is a defective unit. 

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Peterman, for now, will get the ball out quicker and throw it to opposing DBs, will be more accurate with it and throw it to opposing DBs, and will better synchronize his drops with the patterns his receivers will be running and throw it to opposing DBs.

Lombardi is a defective unit. 

 

Fixed. 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Isn’t editing a persons post against the terms ???

 

[Warcodered]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Isn’t editing a persons post against the terms ???

 

Would it be it's not like he's pretending he said that, the entire point of the post is that he changed it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

I wanted to start the season with Allen, but let Peterman get killed behind that porous oline first.    We need to learn to block before we ruin a young QB. 

 

Poor Peterman.  Even those of the fan-base who favor him to start largely view him as cannon-fodder.

 

I actually view Sunday's game as proof the Bills Brain Trust want Anyone But Allen to start.  Why?  IMO, that was a game plan with playcalls calculated to make a young QB think "Damn I got a lot to learn ahead of me before I'm ready" and not "Put me In Coach I'm ready to Play".

 

I think it was calculated to make Allen think the former, and not the latter, from which I conclude that starting someone else (probably Peterman) is the plan.

 

15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Isn’t editing a persons post against the terms ???

 

It's objectionable unless it's clear what the original post said and what was changed.   Be a bit clearer to add "bolded text added by me" or the like, but it seemed pretty clear it was edited.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[hemma]

Start Peterman.  IMO, however temporary, he has won the position.

 

If we are behind by 28-7, put Allen in.

If we are ahead by 28-7, put Allen in.

 

Allen needs experience and if the game is out of hand, give him that experience.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Peterman, for now, will get the ball out quicker, will be more accurate with it, and will better synchronize his drops with the patterns his receivers will be running.

Lombardi is a defective unit. 

 

It's a hot take by Lombardi.

 

Anyone with half a brain knows it's about Josh Allen's ability as a rookie to handle a brutal pass rush with a very questionable OL.

If Allen does start against the Ravens I pray he doesn't become a Suggs/Judon/Ducasse clubhouse sandwich!

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Posters?   

How about the head coach?

 

I posted and quoted his words directly from the Bill website. 

 

 

 

 

The quotes I quoted are examples of factually incorrect statements, no matter who is saying or posting them.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Peterman, for now, will get the ball out quicker, will be more accurate with it, and will better synchronize his drops with the patterns his receivers will be running.

Lombardi is a defective unit. 

 

It's an interesting question.  The thing that concerns me about Peterman is will he try to play Hero Ball again, and try to make throws when he's about to get nailed that result in INTs?

One thing I liked about Allen is I thought he showed good instincts to NOT throw and take the sack when under pressure and not sure where the safe throwaway was.

 

I could be wrong, often am, but I think that Daboll could have done a lot to call a game that wouldn't have been such a jailbreak.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It's a hot take by Lombardi.

 

Anyone with half a brain knows it's about Josh Allen's ability as a rookie to handle a brutal pass rush with a very questionable OL.

If Allen does start against the Ravens I pray he doesn't become a Suggs/Judon/Ducasse clubhouse sandwich!

 

The same would go for whichever Bills' QB is playing. Allen has the most pocket mobiity of the three candidates. Beware of Brandon Williams. 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Augie]

I didn’t expect to say this, but Peterman gets the ball out on time to the right place more than Josh. AJ has been mediocre at best, and he’s out anyway. I think the staff was hoping to give Allen some time to get acclimated to the speed of things, they saw that Peterman has better rythym and timing with the receivers, and he gets the ball out fast.

 

I say Peterman starts, and Allen will come in when he’s ready...... or by the second series when that OLine gets Peterman killed. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The quotes I quoted are examples of factually incorrect statements, no matter who is saying or posting them.

I have your opinion and the opinion of tbe HC.  

 

I’m torn between who to believe.  

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's an interesting question.  The thing that concerns me about Peterman is will he try to play Hero Ball again, and try to make throws when he's about to get nailed that result in INTs?

One thing I liked about Allen is I thought he showed good instincts to NOT throw and take the sack when under pressure and not sure where the safe throwaway was.

 

I could be wrong, often am, but I think that Daboll could have done a lot to call a game that wouldn't have been such a jailbreak.

 

 

Maybe Nate learned and maybe he didn’t.   

 

As  long as Josh doesn’t play hero ball we should be good.  

 

 

So are you buying into the FO is calling bad plays on purpose to fool the league???

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Poor Peterman.  Even those of the fan-base who favor him to start largely view him as cannon-fodder.

 

I actually view Sunday's game as proof the Bills Brain Trust want Anyone But Allen to start.  Why?  IMO, that was a game plan with playcalls calculated to make a young QB think "Damn I got a lot to learn ahead of me before I'm ready" and not "Put me In Coach I'm ready to Play".

 

I think it was calculated to make Allen think the former, and not the latter, from which I conclude that starting someone else (probably Peterman) is the plan.

 

Good post Hap.

If Nate is going to be the long term backup (which now I think could be a real possibility) he has to realize his role.

I'm shocked on how well he has played and truthfully giving him the Ravens game to prove his worthiness as a long term backup while seeing if the

starters on the OL are NFL worthy seems reasonable to me.

 

As to your other point I also have that feeling.

 

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The same would go for whatever Bills' QB is playing . Allen has the most pocket mobiity of the three candidates. Beware of Brandon Williams. 

 

 

 

I know you don't want to see Peterman.  Until I see that this OL is NOT the worse the Bills have fielded since the super bowl era I don't want a raw rookie

franchise QB on the field in real games.  In my opinion Dion Dawkins (with only 11 starts) is the only legitimate OL starter. 

Mills maybe,  but with a ceiling of a lower third starters.  The rest are totally unproven or backups at best.

 

If the OL looks serviceable then Allen can come in. 

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

I didn’t expect to say this, but Peterman gets the ball out on time to the right place more than Josh. AJ has been mediocre at best, and he’s out anyway. I think the staff was hoping to give Allen some time to get acclimated to the speed of things, they saw that Peterman has better rythym and timing with the receivers, and he gets the ball out fast.

 

I say Peterman starts, and Allen will come in when he’s ready...... or by the second series when that OLine gets Peterman killed. 

 

LOL, like Hapless posted earlier, "Poor Peterman"!

Seriously though, if that happened and I was McDermott I would start AJ and then sit in Beane's office until he found some better lineman

OR some more QBs.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I know you don't want to see Peterman.  Until I see that this OL is NOT the worse the Bills have fielded since the super bowl era I don't want a raw rookie

franchise QB on the field in real games.  In my opinion Dion Dawkins (with only 11 starts) is the only legitimate OL starter. 

Mills maybe,  but with a ceiling of a lower third starters.  The rest are totally unproven or backups at best.

 

If the OL looks serviceable then Allen can come in

Some don’t want to see Nate period.  

 

It’s kind of funny but I went through the same arguments with EJ saying you have to give the kid a break and see if he can improve.  Leroi has EJ being cut 3 years running.  

 

Wrex finally put the nail in that coffin