Bills' 2018 Training Camp Practice Day 16 8:45 AM at SJF - Final Session Before Team Heads Back to OBD

[TPS]

3 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Several reasons. It's not about this year with Josh, it's about the long term.

 

I don't wonder if he's ready, I'm fairly sure he's not. I think he can gain something being a pro for a year and getting to know the offense before starting.

 

Also, by starting AJM/NP obviously we could suck. This is not really bad... Get a high pick for skill players on offense. If the starting QB plays great and we do well, even better and maybe we are in a position like KC was with Smith, and could get something of value.

 

Seems to me that 2 years from now, these moves would leave us in a better position, and I want to set up a "window" so they say, of relevance. We aren't going to the SB (or probably the playoffs) this year, so we should plan everything around being good in the next couple years and being able to keep that window open as long as possible.

i think most people would agree that Allen should start IF he Is the clear winner, but they've only played one preseason game so far. I won't be surprised if he has a stinker in one of the next two games--it's the nature of the position. If that happens, maybe the "start Allen no matter what" crowd will tone it down a bit, maybe.....

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Wagon Circler]

3 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Do we really think either AJ or Peterman will have a better shot at beating the Ravens' ferocious D than Josh Allen??

 

I sure as hell don't.

How did Peterman look against Carolina's ferocious D? The ball was coming out in 1.9 seconds. Hell  yeah they give us a better chance.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Wagon Circler

[Domdab99]

8 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said:

How did Peterman look against Carolina's ferocious D? The ball was coming out in 1.9 seconds. Hell  yeah they give us a better chance.

 

You mean the basic defense Carolina was playing? That ferocious defense?

[26CornerBlitz]

Dion Dawkins: "You have to always be on your top game" (10:48)

Bills OT Dion Dawkins talked about entering his second year, the team's QB competition, and his mindset and mentality in playing in the NFL.

 

Allen: "Gotta Trust the Process" (3:15)

QB Josh Allen talks about taking advantage of opportunity, working with all three offensive units and more.

 

McCarron: "I Feel Great About It" (4:33)

QB A.J. McCarron talks about his efforts during training camp, his chemistry with the wide receivers and more.

 

Peterman: "That's What Training Camp is For" (2:16)

QB Nathan Peterman talks about his progression throughout training camp.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

 

Oh I'm sure this will make a lot of people happy.  

 

[Wagon Circler]

23 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

You mean the basic defense Carolina was playing? That ferocious defense?

9 out of 10 dude. Not 9 out of 19 vs 3rd stringers.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 things to know from Day 16 at Bills camp

1 – Player-driven leadership a success at camp

2 – Allen still with the second team

3 – Secondary notes

[Foxx]

16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

home opener?

[26CornerBlitz]

Bills Minute: Final Camp Practice, QB Battle Continues (1:02)

Wednesday was the final practice for training camp this year and the quarterback battle continues into week 2 of the preseason.

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, Commonsense said:

A few position battles left and some depth spots still up for grabs but only one question really matters for this week. Is there a path for Allen to start week 1 or not? If he plays well and the other 2 guys struggle would McD have him start game the next preseason game? 

 

I feel like the answer is no, I want it to happen. IMO they are brining him along slowly and Allen starting week 1 isn’t in their plans. 

This.

its all that’s left for this preseason. He’s made significant progress since his Senior year ended, but with his non-stop schedule since that time, there’s still so much he doesn’t know/hasn’t experienced. Like Gameweek preparation. How the season plays out regarding days off/Bye week’s/ TNF etc. It’s all different from the brand new terrain he’s grown somewhat comfortable with for the last month of a whirlwind 7 months that may not be duplicated again. Sure, he’s young. But significant change every month is tough on everybody.

 

i agree. I want to see him start early this year. But maybe not week one on the road. A couple weeks of Home & Away Games and corresponding protocol will aid in his awareness of the process and allow him to concentrate on the upcoming opponents schemes and strategy.

 

This said, I’ll be pissed if they don’t play him for much of the season. The real education comes from Hard Knocks.

[NewEraBills]

1 hour ago, Wagon Circler said:

9 out of 10 dude. Not 9 out of 19 vs 3rd stringers.

Unlike Peterman, the Panthers actually dialed up some pressure against Allen.  Peterman faced a basic defense coverage wise.  The pitch and catch by Benji with no help over the top vs our former CB was nice, but I wouldn't buy anything in Vegas regarding Peterman just yet.

[MTBill]

I'm not in the camp of starting him week 1.  This is lest based on Josh Allen - and more based on Peterman/AJM.  As much as I don't think either of them is a long-term legit starter in this league - they are more prepared than he is for now and he will learn a "lot" watching the game for some period of time.

 

That said, I hate to see other teams with rookies starting them.  They should start Bridgewater in NY, they won't.  So it just reinforces in some people's heads (fans/media/opponents) that Josh is less prepared.

 

I think Allen is prepared enough to struggle through as a starter beginning in week 1.  I just think if we have him not start for a while - that does not hinder his development greatly.  He'll start when he starts and I'm OK with that.  I also want to be damn sure that the o-line is not porous enough that he'd be constantly running for his life.  I don't want him to develop bad habits.  If there was an over/under on his # of starts in 2018 - I think I'd say he starts at least 6 games and maybe at most 12.  I just don't think McD is willing to throw him to the wolves like the Jets are going to do.  It'd be great if he could get some garbage time experience - but I highly doubt that's going to happen.

4 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

Unlike Peterman, the Panthers actually dialed up some pressure against Allen.  Peterman faced a basic defense coverage wise.  The pitch and catch by Benji with no help over the top vs our former CB was nice, but I wouldn't buy anything in Vegas regarding Peterman just yet.

 

Yeah - imho 1st string defense in the Preseason is a bunch of vets and strong rookies just avoiding injury.  The 2nd string guys are hoping to make enough plays to maybe get a starting role.  The 3rd string guys are trying everything possible to make plays so they can make the 53.  They bust their asses.

[NewEraBills]

I think I'd be for starting AJ week 1 and if it needs to get shaken up then shake it up after that game.  At least he's familiar with the opponent.

[Dan]

Is it me or do we not really know much more about the roster than we did at the start of camp?

[Lfod]

1 hour ago, NewEraBills said:

Unlike Peterman, the Panthers actually dialed up some pressure against Allen.  Peterman faced a basic defense coverage wise.  The pitch and catch by Benji with no help over the top vs our former CB was nice, but I wouldn't buy anything in Vegas regarding Peterman just yet.

It would look different for Peterman if he didn't have those quick passes. You miss the play Peterman avoided pressure and got the ball to KB on the sideline? 

[ericcomposer72]

1 hour ago, MTBill said:

That said, I hate to see other teams with rookies starting them.  They should start Bridgewater in NY, they won't.  So it just reinforces in some people's heads (fans/media/opponents) that Josh is less prepared.

 

This may be bad karma as my first post, but the Schadenfreude desire is strong:

 

how does the Jets O-line look, and what are the chances of Darnold getting eaten alive? ?

[JoeF]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Dion Dawkins: "You have to always be on your top game" (10:48)

Bills OT Dion Dawkins talked about entering his second year, the team's QB competition, and his mindset and mentality in playing in the NFL.

 

Allen: "Gotta Trust the Process" (3:15)

QB Josh Allen talks about taking advantage of opportunity, working with all three offensive units and more.

 

McCarron: "I Feel Great About It" (4:33)

QB A.J. McCarron talks about his efforts during training camp, his chemistry with the wide receivers and more.

 

Peterman: "That's What Training Camp is For" (2:16)

QB Nathan Peterman talks about his progression throughout training camp.

CB26, Yolo--thanks to you both for tracking the news and interviews for TBD.  You both are awesome.

 

Dawkins has a learning disability.  The interview with him, Murph and Taker is really good.  I never knew about the learning disability until the interview.  Makes me respect him even more.  A really great young man who I am proud plays for the Bills.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[eball]

3 hours ago, MTBill said:

 

I think Allen is prepared enough to struggle through as a starter beginning in week 1.  I just think if we have him not start for a while - that does not hinder his development greatly.  He'll start when he starts and I'm OK with that.  I also want to be damn sure that the o-line is not porous enough that he'd be constantly running for his life.  I don't want him to develop bad habits.  If there was an over/under on his # of starts in 2018 - I think I'd say he starts at least 6 games and maybe at most 12.  I just don't think McD is willing to throw him to the wolves like the Jets are going to do.  It'd be great if he could get some garbage time experience - but I highly doubt that's going to happen.

 

 

There's an argument -- a pretty compelling one, I think -- that "garbage time" experience isn't really legitimate experience at all.  No intensity, nothing on the line -- less than practice, actually.

 

If the coaches (and players) believe Allen gives them the best chance to win, he'll play.  If they think either AJM or NP fit that role at the start of the season, so be it.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 quick takeaways from the final day of Bills camp

 

That’s it. It’s over.

 

The Buffalo Bills 2018 training camp from St. John Fisher College is in the books as the team will now relocate back to Orchard Park as it preps to face the Cleveland Browns in a preseason contest on Friday.

 

With that, here are three quick takeaways from the final day of Bills camp:

 

Uh-oh, Kelvin

Taron’s turn

Depth LB emerging

 

Up next: The Bills will likely have a walk-through practice on Thursday before heading to Cleveland for their second preseason contest against the Browns.

[26CornerBlitz]

Top 5 takeaways from Bills training camp

 

After three weeks and 16 practices, the Bills come home from Rochester. They’ll continue the preseason in training camp mode, but the practices, workouts, and meetings occur at One Bills Drive for the next few weeks as they continue to get ready for the regular season.

 

Here are five takeaways from the Bills training camp sessions at St. John Fisher:

 

1. THE PROCESS IS REAL

2. THE QUARTERBACK BATTLE IS REAL, ALSO

3. WIDE RECEIVER BATTLE WORTH WATCHING

4. YOUNG TALENT EMERGES AT CAMP

5. EDMUNDS UNDER THE RADAR

[BuffaloHokie13]

20 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

9 out of 10 dude. Not 9 out of 19 vs 3rd stringers.

9/10, but made sure to keep his standard double digit INT%

[Wagon Circler]

5 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

9/10, but made sure to keep his standard double digit INT%

Harsh. After 9 wonderful throws, that ball was off, what, six inches?

[BuffaloHokie13]

15 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

Harsh. After 9 wonderful throws, that ball was off, what, six inches?

Might be harsh I guess, but I'm really not a fan of watching a QB who throws an INT every 10 pass attempts. I also think it's hilarious that, in a game where he continued this trend, folks are clamoring over it. He was decisive and quick against a vanilla defense. He showed some command and understanding of the offense. That's good, but it's not enough.

[Bills4Ever4Life]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Might be harsh I guess, but I'm really not a fan of watching a QB who throws an INT every 10 pass attempts. I also think it's hilarious that, in a game where he continued this trend, folks are clamoring over it. He was decisive and quick against a vanilla defense. He showed some command and understanding of the offense. That's good, but it's not enough.

Amusingly, my brother and I had a conversation about this after the game last week. He claimed that everyone would ignore all the good things Peterman did and focus on the single "should have been a catch" interception he threw. I took the stance that people would not be so short-sighted and would respect a perfect 9/9 1TD / 117 yards and gloss over a single throw that was catch-able 9 times out of 10. 

Looks like I was wrong. 

You say "He was decisive and quick against a vanilla defense." but fail to mention that the other two QB's had the same vanilla defense but didn't pull NEARLY the same numbers. McCarron came close but it was a lot sloppier. Allen was playing with garbage against garbage and it was a wash. 

That all being said, if they play Mccarron / Allen / Peterman this week that will answer a LOT of questions (why I think the coaches are doing this in the first place). Does Peterman raise the level of the "garbage" and play lights out vs their garbage? Does McCarron put on the same "1 imperfection" performance that Peterman did with the 1's? Does Allen continue to show improvement against a stiffer defense but with better chess pieces?

Finally, come week three I see one more rotation. I said this in another post but I'll say it again. The best way to do a QB competition is to see how they play against other teams and the only way to get that to work is to see all 3 QB's at all 3 levels of competition and compare. 

Makes for a fun night. GO BILLS

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Amusingly, my brother and I had a conversation about this after the game last week. He claimed that everyone would ignore all the good things Peterman did and focus on the single "should have been a catch" interception he threw. I took the stance that people would not be so short-sighted and would respect a perfect 9/9 1TD / 117 yards and gloss over a single throw that was catch-able 9 times out of 10. 

Looks like I was wrong. 

Yes, you were. And clearly about more than just that assumption. That INT was 75% on Peterman for the ball placement and in no way is catchable 9 out of 10 times, especially to your backup RB.

 

3 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

You say "He was decisive and quick against a vanilla defense." but fail to mention that the other two QB's had the same vanilla defense but didn't pull NEARLY the same numbers. McCarron came close but it was a lot sloppier. Allen was playing with garbage against garbage and it was a wash. 

Not nearly the same numbers?

9/10, 119, 1, 1 - 110 Passer Rating

7/10, 116, 0, 0 - 108.8 Passer Rating

9/19, 116, 1, 0 - 84.5 Passer Rating (as you said, a wash considering drops/given up routes, slow snaps, lack of protection, and nobodies on D as well)

 

8 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

That all being said, if they play Mccarron / Allen / Peterman this week that will answer a LOT of questions (why I think the coaches are doing this in the first place). Does Peterman raise the level of the "garbage" and play lights out vs their garbage? Does McCarron put on the same "1 imperfection" performance that Peterman did with the 1's? Does Allen continue to show improvement against a stiffer defense but with better chess pieces?

Peterman will look very good as long as Redmond isn't in at C (he just never needs to play C again...) because his strengths shine in preseason play and his weaknesses are not typically tested. You probably won't see that as fair, and I agree that it's not something in Peterman's control, but it's true. Defenses will absolutely change if he's the starter come week 1.

I'd like to see McCarron move the offense and score in order to remain in the competition. I don't care if his completion % is 60 or 90. I will care if he has a turnover, just like I do with Nate.

The Allen question is spot on and exactly what I hope to see. I'm truly excited to see if he steps up.

 

11 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Finally, come week three I see one more rotation. I said this in another post but I'll say it again. The best way to do a QB competition is to see how they play against other teams and the only way to get that to work is to see all 3 QB's at all 3 levels of competition and compare. 

Makes for a fun night. GO BILLS

Week 3 will be interesting. If Allen shows well, an admittedly big if, with the 2's I think he winds up getting a shot with the 1's for all the marbles. Certainly very exciting times for the franchise and fanbase! Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Yes, you were. And clearly about more than just that assumption. That INT was 75% on Peterman for the ball placement and in no way is catchable 9 out of 10 times, especially to your backup RB.

 

Not nearly the same numbers?

9/10, 119, 1, 1 - 110 Passer Rating

7/10, 116, 0, 0 - 108.8 Passer Rating

9/19, 116, 1, 0 - 84.5 Passer Rating (as you said, a wash considering drops/given up routes, slow snaps, lack of protection, and nobodies on D as well)

 

Peterman will look very good as long as Redmond isn't in at C (he just never needs to play C again...) because his strengths shine in preseason play and his weaknesses are not typically tested. You probably won't see that as fair, and I agree that it's not something in Peterman's control, but it's true. Defenses will absolutely change if he's the starter come week 1.

I'd like to see McCarron move the offense and score in order to remain in the competition. I don't care if his completion % is 60 or 90. I will care if he has a turnover, just like I do with Nate.

The Allen question is spot on and exactly what I hope to see. I'm truly excited to see if he steps up.

 

Week 3 will be interesting. If Allen shows well, an admittedly big if, with the 2's I think he winds up getting a shot with the 1's for all the marbles. Certainly very exciting times for the franchise and fanbase! Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Peterman will look good as long as he is playing in the preseason and the defense is playing more zone.   He is an intelligent quarterback who knows his reads and gets the ball out quickly.  He also has a weak arm which makes it hard for him to challenge against man to man defenders.   When the season starts and those windows he had to throw in get smaller he wont look quite as good.   I think he is the perfect back up quarterback.   I wish him the best of luck, but hope I dont have to watch him start more than 3 games ever in a season. 

[Bills4Ever4Life]

4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Yes, you were. And clearly about more than just that assumption. That INT was 75% on Peterman for the ball placement and in no way is catchable 9 out of 10 times, especially to your backup RB.

Can you seriously watch this and tell me that (at 2:12) this ball was not catchable? Not like chris ivory had to come to a complete stop and stretch out backwards or even turn his hips. It was a LITTLE high and behind on his shoulder and YES this is a throw that should be caught 9 out of 10 times. Also, you say "backup RB" like Chris Ivory hasn't started for multiple teams. He is a good running back and good running backs catch that. 

 

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Not nearly the same numbers?

9/10, 119, 1, 1 - 110 Passer Rating

7/10, 116, 0, 0 - 108.8 Passer Rating

9/19, 116, 1, 0 - 84.5 Passer Rating (as you said, a wash considering drops/given up routes, slow snaps, lack of protection, and nobodies on D as well)

Exactly as I said. I said McCarron was close to putting up his numbers but no touchdown and only 70% completion. Also, the general feel of the drives were a lot sloppier with him with more penalties and just a general feeling of less control. That's just my opinion from up on the nose bleeds though. 

 

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Peterman will look very good as long as Redmond isn't in at C (he just never needs to play C again...) because his strengths shine in preseason play and his weaknesses are not typically tested. You probably won't see that as fair, and I agree that it's not something in Peterman's control, but it's true. Defenses will absolutely change if he's the starter come week 1.

I'd like to see McCarron move the offense and score in order to remain in the competition. I don't care if his completion % is 60 or 90. I will care if he has a turnover, just like I do with Nate.

The Allen question is spot on and exactly what I hope to see. I'm truly excited to see if he steps up.

 

Week 3 will be interesting. If Allen shows well, an admittedly big if, with the 2's I think he winds up getting a shot with the 1's for all the marbles. Certainly very exciting times for the franchise and fanbase! Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Here is the core of what I meant. Let me be clear. The Bills will play McCarron with the 1's tonight, Allen with the 2's and Peterman with the 3's. Barring an exemplary or dismal performance by one of the three, week 3 it will be Allen / Peterman / McCarron. Because of talent? Because QB A, B or C did best? No, because they are all being given an equal shot at a COMPETITION. Do I know this for sure? no. I'm no inside guy. However, I can see the patterns. For example, you don't take a QB that went 9/10, 119, 1,1 - 110 passer rating and push him down with the three's unless it was PRE-ORDAINED. Unless it was the plan all along. 

Going to hold my breath for another 4 1/2 hours and see how it all turns out

Edited August 17, 2018 by Bills4Ever4Life

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Can you seriously watch this and tell me that (at 2:12) this ball was not catchable? Not like chris ivory had to come to a complete stop and stretch out backwards or even turn his hips. It was a LITTLE high and behind on his shoulder and YES this is a throw that should be caught 9 out of 10 times. Also, you say "backup RB" like Chris Ivory hasn't started for multiple teams. He is a good running back and good running backs catch that. 

I never said it was not catchable. It's a ball an elite player hauls in sometimes, but for the vast majority of players it's caught maybe 25% of the time. It's extremely poor placement for that short of a route.

[Bills4Ever4Life]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I never said it was not catchable. It's a ball an elite player hauls in sometimes, but for the vast majority of players it's caught maybe 25% of the time. It's extremely poor placement for that short of a route.

I'll agree to disagree with you....maybe  ;). I'll even compromise and say that its a catch that would be made 70% of the time . Please watch this one to see it in slow mo and see if you can compromise with me

https://www.panthers.com/video/shaq-thompson-interception

 

I'm sorry but thats a little high and slightly back....and to be fair it was because there was a lineman right there waiting to slap it down if it was "on target". To knock a perfect set of drives off of one slightly mis-thrown ball that I STILL say should have been caught......thats just insane. I saw some BAAAAD throws out there this pre-season. THIS was not one of them. 

 

Also, remember all these criticisms as to why Nathan Peterman's night wasn't REALLY that great and remember to apply them to McCarron's game tonight...good or bad 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Bills4Ever4Life