President Donald J. Trump's Supreme Court Associate Justice Kavanaugh

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

It's hitting the wall.

 

The backlash is already beginning to hurt women in the workplace, as men are becoming less willing to work with them, and is doing so in a way that is already measurable, which is extraordinary given the newness of the #metoo nonsense.

 

Natural demographics alone work against this as roughly half the population is male, and a sizable portion of the female population are mothers to sons.

 

It won't be much longer before this is tossed on the scrap heap with "racist".

 

You're assuming they're trying to expand their base of support.  But that's clearly not their goal.

[BeginnersMind]

19 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Women are not oppressed in the United States in 2018

 

 

Right. Because I've never been in a professional setting where men openly discussed women sleeping their way to the top, attacked a woman's intelligence because she's a woman, and gave women less of a chance because she was young and likely to get pregnant. To quote Daniel Carver, "Wake up." 

 

Are things better? Certainly. Are they fixed? Not even close. The US still has tons of boys club pockets that will not admit women and to think otherwise is fantasy.

 

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What would lead you to believe that there are a greater proportion of bad actors amongst men, willing to rape a woman; then there are bad actors amongst women, willing to make false or grossly exaggerated claims (an unreciprocated attempt of a kiss is not a sexual assault) if it provides them a tangible benefit?

 

Women are not powerless; quite the contrary, women use the weapons they have been trained in for thousands of years, developed during times when they were oppressed:  guile and deceit.

 

 

And there are shark attacks. I'll take my chances in the water instead of a room with Harvey Weinstein. Stop it. There are bad actors and false accusers, of which this woman may well be one, but that is not the norm, and never has been. We are still combatting a culture where rape is an underreported crime due to victim-shaming. 

 

And as to the underlined, seriously? Women are trained in "guile and deceit?" Did this come out of a DnD/WoW session? 

Edited September 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[TakeYouToTasker]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

You're assuming they're trying to expand their base of support.  But that's clearly not their goal.

 

No, what I'm doing is coming to the realization that roughly 3/4 of the population is not going to allow the fringes of a dying political movement (and it is dying) to permanently weaponize their own existence against them.

 

 

[BeginnersMind]

13 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

It's hitting the wall.

 

The backlash is already beginning to hurt women in the workplace, as men are becoming less willing to work with them, and is doing so in a way that is already measurable, which is extraordinary given the newness of the #metoo nonsense.

 

Natural demographics alone work against this as roughly half the population is male, and a sizable portion of the female population are mothers to sons.

 

It won't be much longer before this is tossed on the scrap heap with "racist".

 

Yeah, I feel so oppressed, poor white male that I am. Time for me to organize a march: I'm thinking Charlottesville. 

Edited September 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[Tiberius]

I hope they push him onto the court with all these problems. That actually would be the best result from the Democratic POV. Then having this alleged rapist, Clarence "Animal Sex" Thomas and the rest of the old men declare women shouldn't control their own bodies, as that's the government's responsibility. 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

No, what I'm doing is coming to the realization that roughly 3/4 of the population is not going to allow the fringes of a dying political movement (and it is dying) to permanently weaponize their own existence against them.

 

 

 

Which is what they want.  They WANT that fight.  That "oppression" justifies their revolution.

[BeginnersMind]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I hope they push him onto the court with all these problems. That actually would be the best result from the Democratic POV. Then having this alleged rapist, Clarence "Animal Sex" Thomas and the rest of the old men declare women shouldn't control their own bodies, as that's the government's responsibility. 

 

What Justice Thomas went through was a disgrace. 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

What Justice Thomas went through was a disgrace. 

 

You think Anita Hill should have just shut her mouth and forgot about Thomas's harassment? 

[BeginnersMind]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

You think Anita Hill should have just shut her mouth and forgot about Thomas's harassment? 

 

Why would you put those words in my mouth? I said no such thing. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Why would you put those words in my mouth? I said no such thing. 

I didn't, I just asked 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Speaking as a woman who is old enough to have gone to a school that was all male just two years before I started attending... women in the United States who do not want to be oppressed, are not oppressed in 2018.  Are more men still in power in the boardroom and politics than women? Yes. Is it changing? Yes. Is hard work rewarded? Er... sometimes (who you know is still a real thing). 

And if you think women who were second wave feminists (I am too young for that) are not super pissed at the shenanigans going on today with "new feminists", think again.  


 

[B-Man]

Democrats´ sleazy attack on Kavanaugh comes from an old playbook by Noemie Emery

Original Article                 Kavanaugh meets Kafka in kangaroo court by Rich Lowry   Original Article

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Democrats´ sleazy attack on Kavanaugh comes from an old playbook by Noemie Emery

Original Article                 Kavanaugh meets Kafka in kangaroo court by Rich Lowry   Original Article

Sleezy is Kavanaugh's questions he wrote to ask Bill Clinton. All vagina stuff. Live by the sword, die by the sword. 

 

No one to blame but yourselves 

[TakeYouToTasker]

42 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

Right. Because I've never been in a professional setting where men openly discussed women sleeping their way to the top, attacked a woman's intelligence because she's a woman, and gave women less of a chance because she was young and likely to get pregnant. To quote Daniel Carver, "Wake up." 

 

Your experience with women is drastically limited if you don't think there are cabals of women who do the same exact thing in the absence of men.

 

Women, until they reach the age of 30, and often decide to take different life paths and raise children, earn more than men do in the same professions.  Women are more likely to go to, and graduate from, college than men.  Men have almost no rights in legal issues surrounding custody and adoption of their own children.  This is only a short, and not nearly comprehensive list.

 

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Are things better? Certainly. Are they fixed? Not even close. The US still has tons of boys club pockets that will not admit women and to think otherwise is fantasy.

 

And women have women's clubs that won't admit men.  The difference?  The women's clubs are legally sanctioned, and publicly endorsed.

 

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And there are shark attacks. I'll take my chances in the water instead of a room with Harvey Weinstein.

 

This is a horseshit argument in which you substitute a well known predator for "men in general" and a rare but spectacular event like a shark attack for "women in general".  It's a logical fallacy, and I outright reject it as such. 

 

You'll have to demonstrate that bad actors amongst men are more prevalent than bad actor amongst women.

 

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Stop it.

 

!@#$ you.  You're making a poor and intellectually dishonest argument.

 

You've opened this door, now stay here for the beating.

 

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There are bad actors and false accusers, of which this woman may well be one, but that is not the norm, and never has been.

 

Demonstrate this.

 

You've made a claim, now back it up.

 

You're claiming a "rape culture" which impugns men in general as bad actors, and are making an additional claim that women are somehow different, and their malfeasance "is not the norm".

 

Defend your "women are as pure as the driven snow" narrative.

 

Idiot.

 

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We are still combatting a culture where rape is an underreported crime due to victim-shaming.

 

Horseshit.

 

This has been debunked numerous times, and relies on reporting in which an unwanted touch or kiss (normal explorative human sexuality) is considered sexual assault.  It's disingenuous garbage used to advance an intersectionalist narrative at the behest of Third Wave Feminism, which is a supremacy movement.  And again, I reject it outright.

 

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And as to the underlined, seriously? Women are trained in "guile and deceit?" Did this come out of a DnD/WoW session?

 

Are you so stupid and naïve that you think women haven't developed their own weapons, as men have, over the centuries?  This is not my opinion:  this is mainstream psychology and human development studies into the pathology of the sexes.

 

However, if you want to continue to advance your ignorance of accepted normal human psychology in snarky tones place of an argument, I'm happy to laugh at you while I kick your ass.

Edited September 18, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MICHAEL WALSH: With Kavanaugh Smear, Democrats Use Americans’ Innate Good Will Against Them.

 

 

 

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[BringBackOrton]

15 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MICHAEL WALSH: With Kavanaugh Smear, Democrats Use Americans’ Innate Good Will Against Them.

 

 

 

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That second comic is wrong.  They see Bill Clinton as a cool cat.  Which makes it all the more !@#$ed up.  

[4merper4mer]

56 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Yeah, I feel so oppressed, poor white male that I am. Time for me to organize a march: I'm thinking Charlottesville. 

I thought you wanted all of us to be polite.  And then you start calling people Nazis.  It's almost as if you're a phony.

[B-Man]

Grassley: Hearing set for Monday — but “we still haven’t heard from Dr. Ford”

 

 

 

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL NAILS IT

 

[Ford’s] is simply too distant and uncorroborated a story to warrant a new hearing or to delay a vote.

 

We’ve heard from all three principals, and there are no other witnesses to call. The only purpose of another public hearing would be a political spectacle in which Democrats could wax indignant for the cameras while Mr. Kavanaugh repeated his denials.

 

The timing and details of how Ms. Ford came forward, and how her name was coaxed into public view, should also raise red flags about the partisan motives at play. The Post says Ms. Ford contacted the paper via a tip line in July but wanted to remain anonymous. She then brought her story to a Democratic official while still hoping to stay anonymous.

 

Yet she also then retained a lawyer, Debra Katz, who has a history of Democratic activism and spoke in public defense of Bill Clinton against the accusations by Paula Jones. Ms. Katz urged Ms. Ford to take a polygraph test. The Post says she passed the polygraph, though a polygraph merely shows that she believes the story she is telling.

 

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“Senator [and Judiciary Chairman] Grassley must postpone the vote until, at a very minimum, these serious and credible allegations are thoroughly investigated,” declared Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Sunday. “For too long, when women have made serious allegations of abuse, they have been ignored. That cannot happen in this case.”

 

His obvious political goal is to delay the confirmation vote past the election, fan the #MeToo political furies until then, and hope that at least two GOP Senators wilt under political pressure. Already Senators Jeff Flake andBob Corker are playing into Mr. Schumer’s hands by calling for a delay.

 

GOP Senators should understand that the political cost of defeating Mr. Kavanaugh will likely include the loss of the Senate. Democrats are already motivated to vote against Donald Trump, and if Republicans panic now their own voters will rightly be furious. They would be letting Democrats get away with the same dirty trick they tried and failed to pull off against Clarence Thomas.

 

It would also be a serious injustice to a man who has by all accounts other than Ms. Ford’s led a life of respect for women and the law. Every #MeToo miscreant is a repeat offender. The accusation against Mr. Kavanaugh is behavior manifested nowhere else in his life.

 

No one, including Donald Trump, needs to attack Ms. Ford. She believes what she believes. This is not he said-she said. This is a case of an alleged teenage encounter, partially recalled 30 years later without corroboration, and brought forward to ruin Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation for partisan purposes.

 

Letting an accusation that is this old, this unsubstantiated and this procedurally irregular defeat Mr. Kavanaugh would also mean weaponizing every sexual assault allegation no matter the evidence. It will tarnish the #MeToo cause with the smear of partisanship, and it will unleash even greater polarizing furies.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

Republicans fear allegation against Kavanaugh could shift dynamics of midterms

The GOP had hoped that the appointment of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court could encourage turnout by the party's voters. Now some worry the sexual assault accusation could refocus attention on an issue that could drive up the Democratic vote in November.

• By Michael Scherer

[DC Tom]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Republicans fear allegation against Kavanaugh could shift dynamics of midterms

The GOP had hoped that the appointment of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court could encourage turnout by the party's voters. Now some worry the sexual assault accusation could refocus attention on an issue that could drive up the Democratic vote in November.

• By Michael Scherer

 

Which is the entire purpose of the accusation.

[4merper4mer]

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Republicans fear allegation against Kavanaugh could shift dynamics of midterms

The GOP had hoped that the appointment of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court could encourage turnout by the party's voters. Now some worry the sexual assault accusation could refocus attention on an issue that could drive up the Democratic vote in November.

• By Michael Scherer

It's all most as if neither the Republican nor the Democrats care about the Supreme Court nominee from any perspective except how it impacts them personally.

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Which is the entire purpose of the accusation.

Hopefully, but you have no proof they are pulling an awesome trick like that. 

5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

It's all most as if neither the Republican nor the Democrats care about the Supreme Court nominee from any perspective except how it impacts them personally.

Sure. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was 

[BeginnersMind]

53 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MICHAEL WALSH: With Kavanaugh Smear, Democrats Use Americans’ Innate Good Will Against Them.

 

 

 

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Do you find talking in memes is conducive to dialog, or emotional reaction?

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WiredSources/status/1042068438838116352

 

What are the odds she doesn't even show Monday? 2:1?

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Do you find Calling people nazis is conducive to dialog, or emotional reaction?

 

 

I changed it a bit and now it's a question for you.

[BeginnersMind]

44 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I thought you wanted all of us to be polite.  And then you start calling people Nazis.  It's almost as if you're a phony.

 

I called someone here a Nazi? Please tell me where I did that. To the extent that I insulted some of the white guys here who feel oppressed by mentioning Charlottesville, I definitely do NOT think you're Nazis,* and apologize for same. Truly. I was merely trying to say that the complaints of white male oppression strike me as absurd. 

 

The "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville was all about white male oppression. That's not some wild-eyed assertion. It's a fact. 

 

*I reserve the right to call LaDexter a Nazi, not as an insult, but an identifier. 

Edited September 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WiredSources/status/1042068438838116352

 

What are the odds she doesn't even show Monday? 2:1?

That's the delay tactic.  She has a busy life and should be able to testify based on her very hectic schedule.  She frees up in mid-November.

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WiredSources/status/1042068438838116352

 

What are the odds she doesn't even show Monday? 2:1?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1042070177750413313

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

I called someone here a Nazi? Please tell me where I did that. 

 

The "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville was all about white male oppression. That's not some wild-eyed assertion. It's a fact. 

 

 

You're a commie.

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

I called someone here a Nazi? Please tell me where I did that. 

 

The "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville was all about white male oppression. That's not some wild-eyed assertion. It's a fact. 

 

You're a hack and a liar, and you personally represent approximately zero of the characteristics you claim to champion.

[donbb]

@BeginnersMind good luck having a rational conversation with any of these idiots

[KRC]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WiredSources/status/1042068438838116352

 

What are the odds she doesn't even show Monday? 2:1?

 

I expect that there will be a call to delay the Monday hearing so that she can "properly prepare" for it. Sometime close to/after the midterms. You know, because this is too important to rush. Forget that WaPo and DiFi had this information for months. 

[BeginnersMind]

2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

You're a hack and a liar, and you personally represent approximately zero of the characteristics you claim to champion.

 

Lying about...? Are you all still on the theory about my Deep State paycheck and how I followed DR from other places? 

[TakeYouToTasker]

Just now, BeginnersMind said:

 

Lying about...? Are you all still on the theory about my Deep State paycheck and how I followed DR from other places? 

 

I'm saying that in this very thread you have demonstrated that you are a hack and a liar, and have represented approximately zero of the characteristics you claim to champion.

 

Did I stutter, mother!@#$er?

[BeginnersMind]

Just now, KRC said:

 

I expect that there will be a call to delay the Monday hearing so that she can "properly prepare" for it. Sometime close to/after the midterms. You know, because this is too important to rush. Forget that WaPo and DiFi had this information for months. 

 

That's what Feinstein hoped for, but the Rs called the hearing quickly. They will certainly push for a delay. 

 

WaPo probably didn't run with it because there was nothing verifiable. I swim upstream of the Niagara River here and believe that most journalists TRY to get stories right, and properly discarded this one. WaPo would have loved to run this if there was some "there" there. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WiredSources/status/1042068438838116352

 

What are the odds she doesn't even show Monday? 2:1?

Yeah, the surprise will be if she shows up. A "vague memory" and testimony under oath do not mix.
 

 

[BeginnersMind]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

I'm saying that in this very thread you have demonstrated that you are a hack and a liar, and have represented approximately zero of the characteristics you claim to champion.

 

Did I stutter, mother!@#$er?

 

I see you continue to be unwilling to have a dialog. 

[DC Tom]

Just now, BeginnersMind said:

 

That's what Feinstein hoped for, but the Rs called the hearing quickly. They will certainly push for a delay. 

 

WaPo probably didn't run with it because there was nothing verifiable. I swim upstream of the Niagara River here and believe that most journalists TRY to get stories right, and properly discarded this one. WaPo would have loved to run this if there was some "there" there. 

 

I used to believe that.  Until it became pretty clear a few years ago that they'd completely lost interest in doing so.

[boyst]

Just now, BeginnersMind said:

 

I see you continue to be unwilling to have a dialog. 

You're not doing yourself any favors and do come off like an !@#$.

 

Him getting frustrated is questionable, thiugh

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Yeah, the surprise will be if she shows up. A "vague memory" and testimony under oath do not mix.
 

 

 

They do when you're trying to entrap Kavanaugh.  

 

I mean...Democrats are accusing Kavanaugh of lying about not attending the party, when the accuser doesn't even remember which year the party took place.  It's pretty easy to frame questions to Kavanaugh in such a way that he's lying about attending/not attending the indeterminate party under question.