Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Figster said: Everything you say is true. What gets me is Trump could have come away from this smelling like a rose. Instead he chose to put Ford at the butt end of a joke. It risked the Kavanaugh confirmation by way of swing votes and was like pouring salt in the open wound that divides this country in my humble opinion. With all due respect I just don't get it. Thats because her testimony IS a joke. It’s a total farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 45 minutes ago, nkreed said: This is why there is significant amount of under reporting of sexual assaults. Call bull on what is "presumed bull" is how we got here. Women have generally been thought of as less of a person since forever. (I'll conceed some religions and cultures actually point to women as the sacred line). However in European thought and the Western world born from European expansion, the woman has been treated as inferior. So if a woman makes a statement of sexual assault, it has historically been presumed bull if the male is of any importance to society. I'm not typing this to make any statement about the proceedings. I wanted to point out the presumed bull part of the statement and to try to explain the "other sides" thinking. Health insurance.....yikes here we go. We are paying 20k a year. First, we were well on our way to that number without Obamacare. Using this as an argument that it's Obamacares fault is revisionist history. Second, who can afford that? 20k on healthcare is absolutely ridiculous and where do these profits go? Pharma, medical tech and insurance (liability insurance that is). If these numbers don't tell you that our healthcare system is absolutely out of control I don't know what will. Again, blaming it on Obamacare is ludicrous. Our healthcare industry was headed this way well before the law. I think I know where you will fall in this argument, but I would rather have an entire nation paying for health insurance through a single means than only those who can afford it through a private industry. The cost would be reduced because we are all one pool of healthy and sick, and the ability to control cost would be significant. I'm also confident a second additional insurance market will exist as well, leaving people who can afford the payments to have additional items not covered under the single system. BTW, nice assertion at the end.? Please, tell me where I stand on health care. I can’t wait to find out what I think. You don’t get to pretend that the “Affordable Care Act” wasn’t sold as being a cheaper solution to what was in place...it’s literally in the name. Welcome to consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Beginning to look like the FBI investigation is a joke. No interview of Kavanaugh and Ford? Seriously? Can Flake and Murkowski seriously vote "yes" after this whitewash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Beginning to look like the FBI investigation is a joke. No interview of Kavanaugh and Ford? Seriously? Can Flake and Murkowski seriously vote "yes" after this whitewash? Ford testified under oath that she gave all information she had to the committee. What would the FBI get that she didn't already give under oath? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: Ford testified under oath that she gave all information she had to the committee. What would the FBI get that she didn't already give under oath? Even the GOP prosecutor there in the Senate made a strong argument that that was a terrible place to conduct such a investigation. She had five minute sound bite answers, as per the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Beginning to look like the FBI investigation is a joke. No interview of Kavanaugh and Ford? Seriously? Can Flake and Murkowski seriously vote "yes" after this whitewash? Haven’t we spent enough on the circular “he said she said?” crap? Now it’s time to investigate the others that were around these two at the time of the accused assaults/boozing exposure etc etc to corroborate one story or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Haven’t we spent enough on the circular “he said she said?” crap? Now it’s time to investigate the others that were around these two at the time of the accused assaults/boozing exposure etc etc to corroborate one story or another. They did not investigate those people either. But I agree with you they should investigate it. Seems there is no shortage of people willing to come forward. Probably be a big mistake not to interview them, the Washington Post will be waiting to if they do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Beginning to look like the FBI investigation is a joke. No interview of Kavanaugh and Ford? Seriously? Can Flake and Murkowski seriously vote "yes" after this whitewash? It's not an investigation, it's a background check. Ford's and Kavanaugh's statements and testimony are already part of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Please, tell me where I stand on health care. I can’t wait to find out what I think. You don’t get to pretend that the “Affordable Care Act” wasn’t sold as being a cheaper solution to what was in place...it’s literally in the name. Welcome to consequences. Yeah, but at the rate we were going, in 30 years health insurance might have gotten this expensive anyway, so it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: The Dems don't get to be pissed because Joe Biden set the precedent about not appointing SCJs in a President's final year. That's the thing about the liberal mindset...they never see the consequences until they're gettting pummeled by them. Uncle Creepy Joe discounted the future returns too deeply in his calculation on the Present Value of that position. Probably thought they’d be in power forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) We've really had four different investigative sources investigating the matter. You have the original 6 FBI background checks on Kavanaugh. You have the Senate investigative teams which it appears that many people are not aware that they have quite a bit of resources to investigate these matters. You better believe that whatever names were provided by either Kavanaugh or Ford, they've been looked into. Then you have this most recent FBI supplemental investigation which to my understanding reached out to 9 different people. Here is the last one and no one is talking about it because it's not under any official capacity. The press. We all know that the press hates the GOP and even more so Trump and it is as plain as day to anyone who is able to view this for what it is that they are blood thirsty and desperate to take Kavanaugh down. How many investigative journalists do you believe have been assigned to this account to try to uncover this story. If one of these investigative journalists had information that corroborated either Ramirez, Swetnicks or Ford's story you BETTER DAMN BELIEVE that it would have been out by now. I have no doubt in my mind that there are many investigative journalists who are scouring the dumpster to try to find anything. Which is why we have these stories of Kavanaugh organizing a college party with drinking in it or throwing ice in someone's face. That's all they can come up and they know damn well they tried their hardest to try to find anything that would have corroborated Ford's or any of the other lady's story. In my view the investigative journalists have put more resources than anyone to try to uncover anything and the best they could come up with is that Brett liked to drink a lot in college. Edited October 4, 2018 by Magox 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Magox said: We've really had four different investigative sources investigating the matter. You have the original 6 FBI background checks on Kavanaugh. You have the Senate investigative teams which it appears that many people are not aware that they have quite a bit of resources to investigate these matters. You better believe that whatever names were provided by either Kavanaugh or Ford, they've been looked into. Then you have this most recent FBI supplemental investigation which to my understanding reached out to 9 different people. Here is the last one and no one is talking about it because it's not under any official capacity. The press. We all know that the press hates the GOP and even more so Trump and it is as plain as day to anyone who is able to view this for what it is that they are blood thirsty and desperate to take Kavanaugh down. How many investigative journalists do you believe have been assigned to this story to try to uncover this story. If one of these investigative journalists had information that corroborated either Ramirez, Swetnicks or Ford's story you BETTER DAMN BELIEVE that it would have been out by now. I have no doubt in my mind that there are many investigative journalists who are scouring the dumpster to try to find anything. Which is why we have these stories of Kavanaugh organizing a college party with drinking in it or throwing ice in someone's face. That's all they can come up and they know damn well they tried their hardest to try to find anything that would have corroborated Ford's or any of the other lady's story. In my view the investigative journalists have put more resources than anyone to try to uncover anything and the best they could come up with is that Brett liked to drink a lot in college. Absolutely correct. The liberal media has had years to look into Kavanaugh. The best they got is an unhinged woman who is lying her ass off but probably believes her delusions and a few people who say BK, like most American college students and others of similar age, liked to drink. it reminds me of the BS around Clinton smoking pot. Who freakin’ cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 And B. O. snorted coke and ate dog meat. Didn’t matter a whit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Magox said: In my view the investigative journalists have put more resources than anyone to try to uncover anything and the best they could come up with is that Brett liked to drink a lot in college. As any self-respecting belligerent Irish Catholic is wont to do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: I think you make a good point, but Ivwould argue that Trump’s action are far more egregious considering his position. This is bull ****. The Democrats in the Senate (and elsewhere) are legitimizing a process of character assassination as politics. A good man and his family have been destroyed, intentionally, by lies. The people perpetrating these lies need to, and hopefully will, be prosecuted, including Dr. Ford. They must not, under any circumstances, be treated with kid gloves. What the Democrats are doing is unacceptable, and will lead to violence in our streets. It has already directly led to two assassination attempts and the assault of a member of Congress. Edited October 4, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The 'mocrats continue to bang their heads against the reality wall by conjuring up faux issues to feed the MSM. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kavanaugh-slugfest-could-boost-gop-in-midterms-as-polls-show-voter-interest-rising At some not-too-distant point in time one hopes the political parties will realize that the man [Ooops. make that "person"] in the street is bone weary of the national pissing contest that has gone on lo these many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 53 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Even the GOP prosecutor there in the Senate made a strong argument that that was a terrible place to conduct such a investigation. She had five minute sound bite answers, as per the rules. Rules that her lawyers wanted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Rules that her lawyers wanted. The 5 minute thing? That was Grassley, but doesn't matter, doesn't change the fact the GOP prosecutor criticized them for not being sufficient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Figster said: Everything you say is true. What gets me is Trump could have come away from this smelling like a rose. Instead he chose to put Ford at the butt end of a joke. It risked the Kavanaugh confirmation by way of swing votes and was like pouring salt in the open wound that divides this country in my humble opinion. With all due respect I just don't get it. #winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: The 5 minute thing? That was Grassley, but doesn't matter, doesn't change the fact the GOP prosecutor criticized them for not being sufficient Her lawyers specifically negotiated the rules under which she would testify and they were not agreeable to long protracted lines of questioning. Grassley and DF agreed to the alternating format and the R's chose the prosecutor to be their shill attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Beginning to look like the FBI investigation is a joke. No interview of Kavanaugh and Ford? Seriously? Can Flake and Murkowski seriously vote "yes" after this whitewash? nothing personal Tibs but it doesn't appear that anything that happens will satisfy the libs. let me take that back, about the only thing that will appease the libs is the opposition rolling over and playing dead (maybe that is being generous, i'm pret sure they would prefer they actually die). the time has come to face facts, the agenda the libs have been working is dead in the water. in fact i may even go so far as to say that it has massively backfired in their faces. they are losing ground. their Blue Wave has turned into nothing more than a ripple in a stream. they are not going to take the Nov elections. Edited October 4, 2018 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, nkreed said: This is why there is significant amount of under reporting of sexual assaults. Call bull on what is "presumed bull" is how we got here. Women have generally been thought of as less of a person since forever. (I'll conceed some religions and cultures actually point to women as the sacred line). However in European thought and the Western world born from European expansion, the woman has been treated as inferior. So if a woman makes a statement of sexual assault, it has historically been presumed bull if the male is of any importance to society. I'm not typing this to make any statement about the proceedings. I wanted to point out the presumed bull part of the statement and to try to explain the "other sides" thinking. Health insurance.....yikes here we go. We are paying 20k a year. First, we were well on our way to that number without Obamacare. Using this as an argument that it's Obamacares fault is revisionist history. Second, who can afford that? 20k on healthcare is absolutely ridiculous and where do these profits go? Pharma, medical tech and insurance (liability insurance that is). If these numbers don't tell you that our healthcare system is absolutely out of control I don't know what will. Again, blaming it on Obamacare is ludicrous. Our healthcare industry was headed this way well before the law. I think I know where you will fall in this argument, but I would rather have an entire nation paying for health insurance through a single means than only those who can afford it through a private industry. The cost would be reduced because we are all one pool of healthy and sick, and the ability to control cost would be significant. I'm also confident a second additional insurance market will exist as well, leaving people who can afford the payments to have additional items not covered under the single system. BTW, nice assertion at the end.? The problem with declarations that start with "This is the reason that...." is that where human beings are concerned, there are an infinite number of reasons and rationales to explain why people choose to handle things a certain way. You're oversimplifying an incredibly complex issue to the extent that you're arguing against using logic and reason to analyze the veracity of one individuals claims v another. To suggest that your commentary has nothing to do with these hearings, while on a message board specifically discussing this hearing seems a bit shallow. Here's the reason my thoughts on Ford's allegations are not "the problem" ..my thoughts on Ford v Kavanaugh have nothing to do with my thoughts on any other case involving allegations of sexual assault. I do maintain that people unwilling to consider the totality of the information available at the click of a button and defer to "everyone should be believed every time" are a much bigger problem than what I post on a message board. The good news is you are consistent. There are many, many powerful people in government and beyond that are hoping that a large number of people think that health insurance can be boiled down to "we are all one pool of healthy and sick" which then obviously and definitively means lower cost. Seriously, read a book or two about actuarial science, risk management and human behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The GOP Doxxer has been arrested and charged with a slew of crimes... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-doxxing-suspect-arrested-worked-or-interned-for-feinstein-jackson-lee-other-dems No surprise that the triggered snowflake worked on the Jackson Lee and Feinstain staff. Stupid kid will be doing some serious jail time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, bdutton said: The GOP Doxxer has been arrested and charged with a slew of crimes... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-doxxing-suspect-arrested-worked-or-interned-for-feinstein-jackson-lee-other-dems No surprise that the triggered snowflake worked on the Jackson Lee and Feinstain staff. Stupid kid will be doing some serious jail time. No he won't. Optics. He will get a slap on the wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 THE END IS NIGH................. Mitch McConnell sets up final Kavanaugh vote for Saturdayby Susan Ferrechio Original Article .......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, nkreed said: Health insurance.....yikes here we go. We are paying 20k a year. First, we were well on our way to that number without Obamacare. There is an entire thread dedicated to the health care discussion here, so I'm sure we should keep that discussion isolated, but I can't let this go: one of THE primary selling points of Obamacare was that it was going to reduce annual health insurance costs, on average, $2500 per year. The promise was never to get it to $20K a year for everyone since we were well on our way to that number already. THAT is revisionist history. It's like arguing that yes, Obama said if you like your doctor, you could keep your doctor, but if you lost your doctor, that must mean you didn't like your doctor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You must love living in our world...a mans world...almost time for you to go make your man a sandwich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, ALF said: Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. It's too bad the democrats put him and his family through all of this nonsense publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, ALF said: Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. Is this an argument that because Democrats assassinated the character of Judge Kavanaugh, and intentionally destroyed the lies of him and his family, based on what they knew were lies that they themselves perpetrated, that Brett Kavanaugh is not qualified for the bench? 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: You must love living in our world...a mans world...almost time for you to go make your man a sandwich! What an incredibly ****ty and condescending thing to say to another person. !@#$ you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 .........................? . 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, ALF said: Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. Grossly judgmental. A Supreme Court judge is responsible for interpreting the Constitution vis a vis legal issues. Kavanaugh is qualified and competent. Democrat misconduct should not convey to a judge's fitness for duty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, ALF said: Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. On the contrary, he has been described by those who worked with him as thoughtful, deliberate and even-keeled. He surely must have known the opposition would try to destroy him, there is precedent for that. I think he is now the perfect judge to seek out justice for all Americans who have been tread upon and abused by the powerful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Waiting for the Democrats' response... "Sham, coverup, need more time, serial rapist, war on women, what about all the silent victims, Spartacus..." 9 minutes ago, ALF said: Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. Is there any evidence that Kavanaugh would act unprofessionally? That after decades of service to the law he will suddenly abandon impartial interpretation of the law in favor of revenge? Or are you just afraid he might throw ice at the Democrats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 48 minutes ago, Foxx said: nothing personal Tibs but it doesn't appear that anything that happens will satisfy the libs. let me take that back, about the only thing that will appease the libs is the opposition rolling over and playing dead (maybe that is being generous, i'm pret sure they would prefer they actually die). the time has come to face facts, the agenda the libs have been working is dead in the water. in fact i may even go so far as to say that it has massively backfired in their faces. they are losing ground. their Blue Wave has turned into nothing more than a ripple in a stream. they are not going to take the Nov elections. The Democrat agenda is more popular than Republican agenda, that's why Obamacare is still with us and Republicans are getting so little traction with those budget busting tax cuts mostly for the wealthy. And you are making a prediction, so don't say it as if its a fact. You know as much as anyone else how the elections will turn out. Heck, 11 days before the 2016 election Hillary had a good lead and looked like a pretty sure bet to win. Even though her liberal agenda was more popular with Americans, and she got more votes, the clown won. So we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: Ford testified under oath that she gave all information she had to the committee. What would the FBI get that she didn't already give under oath? I believe she was even asked if there was anything else she wanted to add or talk about and she said 'no.' When the committee asked for her other documents this week, they refused to turn them over. There is no mistaking that Grassley has bent over backwards to ensure that Ford was given every single opportunity she needed. The GOP can't help it if the Dems sat on her allegation for almost two months. Imagine what kind of investigation could have happened if they simply brought it up when they found out. But no. Time to vote. Time to confirm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What an incredibly ****ty and condescending thing to say to another person. !@#$ you. I do not respond to people who dump and run like that. They are simply ****-stirrers, and not worth my time. Saying that... you are correct in your assessment. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, ALF said: Ideally a Judge should be impartial and non partisan just interpret the law. What Brett and his family has been thru will leave him far from that ideal. Then again a swing vote is not the norm. That was the point of smearing him. One of many. That's all this was. A political hitjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, TH3 said: You must love living in our world...a mans world...almost time for you to go make your man a sandwich! Ah, Baskin. Different name, same lowlife piece of schiff poster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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