Obama, FBI, DOj Spies in Trumps campain

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Tiberius]

9 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Appreciate the update. 

So sad we need to update a president's lies but welcome to the era of Trump! 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

So sad we need to update a president's lies but welcome to the era of Trump! 

Your well thought out research really gives a meaning to your updates.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just a coincidence, not a pattern, right? 

 

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=site-share&__twitter_impression=true

 

They think you're stupid. Stupid enough to blindly believe media spin rather than look at the evidence yourself. A coup is a coup, spying is spying - no matter how much they try to deny it. 

[Tiberius]

No, they know you are, that's why they sling so much BS, that's why Trump opened Trump U. 

[Deranged Rhino]

I was talking about this before it was in the news or a talking point - and providing evidence to support it for over a year now.

 

I'm not magic. I didn't conjure this story out of thin air. I simply read the evidence available and thought for myself. You'd be amazed at how easy it is to see through the bull **** if you put in the effort to read primary sources rather than relying on second hand analysis of said sources by partisans with bylines. 

 

Now, go get excited. McCabe turned over a memo to Mueller. You'll be slobbering over this news in a day or two - and it'll spectacularly blow up in your face, as the entire "treason"/Russian collusion narrative you've been breathlessly cheerleading for has. 

[Tiberius]

the McCabe Memo is the new thing!!! 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Just a coincidence, not a pattern, right? 

 

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/03/13/fusion-gps-romney-investigation/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=site-share&__twitter_impression=true

 

They think you're stupid. Stupid enough to blindly believe media spin rather than look at the evidence yourself. A coup is a coup, spying is spying - no matter how much they try to deny it. 

 

 

That is disturbing as hell.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

That is disturbing as hell.

 

It's about to get worse with what I just found... give me a few minutes to write it up. Just got confirmation on the 702 stuff.

[Tiberius]

A new memo?!?!? 

 

Catch it!! 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

More confirmation of this:

On 5/27/2018 at 12:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

A Deeper Dive into the Phases of the Operation

 

Phase One – Political Spying & Election Rigging: (Start unknown - April 18th, 2016)

From at least early 2015 through April 18th, 2016 the FBI, DOJ, the Obama Whitehouse, and the DNC/HRC campaign colluded with one another to run an illegal surveillance operation on multiple presidential candidates during the 2016 campaign. The intent of the intelligence operation was to provide opposition research to the DNC and Clinton campaign, which could then be fed to friendly media outlets to bury her opponents in innuendo and scandal, assuring her victory. It's key to note that while the focus of this post is on the spying during the campaign and primaries, this illegal surveillance operation was likely used for the entirety of 44's two terms in office (and beyond).

 

This surveillance operation primarily relied upon the pilfering of raw 702 NSA data. This was accomplished (with deniability) by still unnamed government contractors working inside the DOJ National Security Division (NSD) and the FBI Counterintelligence Division (CID) who were able to access NSA data without oversight or a warrant. We know for certain this was done routinely from at least November 2015 until April 18^th 2016, but it’s likely – if not probable – this abuse had been going on for years. In mid 2015, DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz asked Sally Yates for oversight of the DOJ-NSD - this "request" was a part of his job scope and well within his purview but it was made before Horowitz was fully empowered. For the entirety of 44's terms, first Holder then Lynch changed the interpretation of the law to limit how the IG could perform the oversight required by his job - something that was rectified in December 2016. Yates responded to Horowitz's request by telling him to get lost (1). The reluctance to let the IG see what the NSD was up to implies strongly that both Yates and NSD head Carlin were aware of the illegalities and desired to keep it under wraps. It was paramount to keep the 702 access open as the election drew closer.  

 

This charge is not mere speculation, but one backed by fact and evidence.

 

According to an internal NSA audit and a FISC investigation into these abuses (2,3), 85% of the 702 query requests made by these contractors were illegal. These abuses increased in frequency the closer the primaries got to being completed, signaling their true purpose. The audit and FISC memo were declassified and released to the public in early 2017 by DNI Coats. It received little to no attention at the time yet will come to serve as a key piece of evidence in the prosecutions to come. The admissions in these two documents are key to understanding how this long running illegal operation worked, how it was destroyed, and how it will be prosecuted.

 

That a long-running, illegal surveillance operation had existed unchecked since at least 2015 and was being used to spy on political opposition in order to benefit the Clinton campaign is undeniable. But why was it necessary? Anyone paying attention to the primary action knew it was going to be Clinton v Trump by March (even though it wasn't official until June) - and nearly every expert believed Clinton would be able to trump Trump in a walk come November. So why take such a risk if the election was going to be a lock? Part of the answer is hubris - the other part of the answer is Bernie Sanders. Sanders exposed the chink in the Clinton armor, she wasn't unbeatable - hell, she was barely likable to most of the voting public - and the higher ups running this operation knew it. The primary battle with Sanders showed them that Clinton was highly vulnerable and thus the extra level of security (cheating) was necessary to assure her victory. 

 

Phase One of this operation would come to a screeching halt on April 18th, 2016 when Admiral Mike Rogers landed the first MI counter punch against the conspirators...

 

 

A fundamental plank of what I have been arguing for over a year is the 702 abuse inside the DOJ-NSD and FBI-CID by government contractors - which was shut down in April by Admiral Mike Rogers and forced the conspirators to scramble, thus exposing them in the process. This 702 abuse fueled the spying campaign against numerous political opponents, extending beyond the 2016 election. That this abuse happened has been proven by reports from the FISC, the NSA IG, and testimony of Admiral Mike Rogers himself. 

 

Well, now we can add Strzok to the list of people confirming this was the case. Check out what was just uncovered:

 

(Inbox = Strzok) 

 

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/371007072/Strzok-Page-texts

 

"SO NOW WE'VE SWITCHED FROM THE PATRIOT ACT TO A WIRE CARRYING CURRENT."

 

!!!!!

 

Remember, the Patriot Act is what birthed 702 and the carve outs for 702(16) and 702(17). On April 30th - weeks before G-Pap's meeting with Downer - Strzok is admitting that they were using the Patriot Act to spy on Trump's campaign. That is yet ANOTHER piece of confirmation which shows the surveillance pre-dated the FBI investigation and was motivated by politics not national security. 

 

Remember what was covered about the 702 abuses (refer here for a great summary: https://themarketswork.com/2018/01/15/the-uncovering-section-702-about-queries-independent-contractors-a-new-narrative/  and also here: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/ )

 

This is an admission by Strzok that they (suddenly) stopped using 702 IN APRIL and switched to a wire carrying current (which, in intel parlance means wither a HUMAN SOURCE WEARING A WIRE or a good old fashion WIRE TAP... again, this is before any FISA warrant, before any official investigation was opened by the FBI-CID). 

 

This was always a political operation designed to tilt the election in one direction, and when that failed it became a palace coup attempt which abused the massive powers of surveillance available to our government. This isn't about left or right. This isn't about Russia. It never has been about Russia. 

 

This isn't a conspiracy theory, Doc. It's just a good old fashioned conspiracy. 

[Tiberius]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Oops:

 

They think you're stupid.

[B-Man]

Multiple Gator posts....................Desperation personified

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[ALF]

I think Trump is sending a message , his presidential  pardon is there.

[Deranged Rhino]

20 minutes ago, ALF said:

I think Trump is sending a message , his presidential  pardon is there.

 

You mean you think Trump's recent spat of pardons is an attempt to send the message that he'll pardon whoever Mueller indicts? (Just trying to tack your statement)

[ALF]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You mean you think Trump's recent spat of pardons is an attempt to send the message that he'll pardon whoever Mueller indicts? (Just trying to tack your statement)

 

yes

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

yes

[Deranged Rhino]

5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Oops:

 

They think you're stupid.

 

Really should read the above article. Most interesting bit (that won't be covered): 

 

Quote

 

Halper was also an unnamed source for allegations about former national security adviser Michael Flynn, according to a Russian-British researcher at Cambridge, Svetlana Lokhova.

 

Lokhova, who studies the history of Russian intelligence, said multiple reporters have told her Halper was behind allegations that she and Flynn had an improper relationship when he visited Cambridge in February 2014. Flynn served at the time as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

 

“‘FBI confidential informant’ Halper invented a false story which he passed on to official channels & Press, in full knowledge [sic] his personal attack was going to cause me, an innocent party, enormous harm,” Lokhova wrote on Twitter.

 

She also told The (London) Times that “Halper told reporters he had seen me leaving the dinner with Flynn.”

Reporters from three newspapers, The Washington Post, The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, approached Lokhova at around the same time in February and March 2016 with allegations related to her interaction with Flynn.

 

According to The Journal, which was the only newspaper to publish a story on the matter, Lokhova sat next to Flynn at the dinner and showed him an erotic postcard that Joseph Stalin sent in 1912. The Journal reported that American authorities had been alerted to Flynn’s interactions with Lokhova and that Flynn had failed to disclose his contact with the researcher to the Defense Intelligence Agency.

 

 

The WSJ writer who wrote that piece? Shane Harris. Dig into Shane and you'll see he's dirty with Fusion GPS money... but that's not the most alarming part. Before I write this up, anyone notice it? What stands out about this section of text... 

[DC Tom]

53 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

What stands out about this section of text... 

 

Stalin peddled porn.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Really should read the above article. Most interesting bit (that won't be covered): 

 

 

The WSJ writer who wrote that piece? Shane Harris. Dig into Shane and you'll see he's dirty with Fusion GPS money... but that's not the most alarming part. Before I write this up, anyone notice it? What stands out about this section of text... 

February and March 2016

[Deranged Rhino]

12 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Stalin peddled porn.

 

That's a close second to the date. February 2014... when was Flynn fired? Six weeks later in April of 2014. See it now? 

 

(In the process of writing up an article about this... doing the rough here)

 

2014, Flynn begins bucking the Administration's talking points on ISIS in Syria (and elsewhere). He's identified as a problem, they want to get rid of him but they can't just fire him. He knows where all the bodies are buried after all. They need to fire and discredit him in case he talks. 

 

So they send Flynn to Cambridge to attend a dinner for the Cambridge Security Institute - a small event of less than 20 people organized by Richard Dearlove (MI6) for Christopher Andrew (MI5 and founder of CSI), and worked by Stefan Halper (CIA). Also in attendance was Svetlana Lokhova, a junior member of CSI. She strikes up a conversation with Flynn (and his assistant), they exchange emails. Then Halper runs to the NYT and WSJ and anonymously says he has concerns about Flynn being recruited by the Russians.

 

Six weeks later, Flynn is fired. 

 

In March of 2017, after Flynn resigns as National Security Adviser and the media pile-on begins (the palace coup at this point), stories begin to break about emails exchanged between Flynn and Lokhova. The emails themselves are quoted, by Christopher Andrew in the Guardian, but never released or disclosed publicly. Flynn and Lokhova denied the emails existed. Yet, the story persisted until it became "fact". 

 

Two things JUMP out at me when looking at the Chuck Ross disclosure today (that Halper was the source of the 2014 articles).

 

1) Look at the names. They're the exact same people 44 reached out to use to spy on, and dirty up, Trump team members. Not just the same people, but they're playing the same roles, running the same plays deployed in 2016. 

 

2) The emails are key. It's possible Andrew was making them up entirely, fabricating their contents. But the question that's never asked is how he got them in the first place. He's MI5 - not 6. Here's my bet... he got those emails through Halper who (allegedly/almost confirmed) was one of the redacted names of government contractors with 702 access inside the DOJ-NSD.

 

In other words, the fact this went down in 2014 - using the same people and same playbook we saw in 2016-2017 - is not a coincidence. It's a pattern. It's evidence that this surveillance abuse was systemic and rampant in 44's administration. It wasn't just used to try to tip the presidential election, it was used to pour dirt on the graves of their political enemies even inside its own administration. 

 

I'll have much more to say about this when I get it all organized. 

[njbuff]

I wonder what people think of what Trey Gowdy said?

 

I wonder if the left loves him now and the right sees him as a turncoat.

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I wonder what people think of what Trey Gowdy said?

 

I wonder if the left loves him now and the right sees him as a turncoat.

 

Yes to both in the extreme partisan camps. Even some of the centrists on both sides are thinking along those lines (from what I'm reading/hearing). There are some (very bright, great researchers/journalists) who think he's been positioning himself all along to be the blocker. 

 

I don't agree with any of it - but also don't know what to make of it. I have to re-listen to both interviews, not just the sound bytes, but I'll point out two things: 

 

1) Most of the coverage on both sides are leaving out the key fact Gowdy did not see the documents Nunes and Grassley requested. Yes, he went to the classified meeting - but in that meeting they were told they couldn't see the documents. In other words, Gowdy learned nothing new before making these statements. 

 

2) He's playing word games that aren't being properly put into context by the articles/coverage. He clearly frames his conclusion around the FBI doing exactly what Trump asked them to do... but leaves out, and the reporters don't add, that the majority of the events in question happened before Trump was POTUS. 

 

Neither of these observations prove anything about Gowdy's motives, I'm just offering them as things to consider before rushing to judgement either way. 

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Yes to both in the extreme partisan camps. Even some of the centrists on both sides are thinking along those lines (from what I'm reading/hearing). There are some (very bright, great researchers/journalists) who think he's been positioning himself all along to be the blocker. 

 

I don't agree with any of it - but also don't know what to make of it. I have to re-listen to both interviews, not just the sound bytes, but I'll point out two things: 

 

1) Most of the coverage on both sides are leaving out the key fact Gowdy did not see the documents Nunes and Grassley requested. Yes, he went to the classified meeting - but in that meeting they were told they couldn't see the documents. In other words, Gowdy learned nothing new before making these statements. 

 

2) He's playing word games that aren't being properly put into context by the articles/coverage. He clearly frames his conclusion around the FBI doing exactly what Trump asked them to do... but leaves out, and the reporters don't add, that the majority of the events in question happened before Trump was POTUS. 

 

Neither of these observations prove anything about Gowdy's motives, I'm just offering them as things to consider before rushing to judgement either way. 

 

It's just a mess.

 

Will us REAL Americans ever know the God damn truth about what is going on?

 

I really have no idea what else to say.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, njbuff said:

Will us REAL Americans ever know the God damn truth about what is going on?

 

Yes. And sooner than you think.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's a close second to the date. February 2014... when was Flynn fired? Six weeks later in April of 2014. See it now? 

 

(In the process of writing up an article about this... doing the rough here)

 

2014, Flynn begins bucking the Administration's talking points on ISIS in Syria (and elsewhere). He's identified as a problem, they want to get rid of him but they can't just fire him. He knows where all the bodies are buried after all. They need to fire and discredit him in case he talks. 

 

So they send Flynn to Cambridge to attend a dinner for the Cambridge Security Institute - a small event of less than 20 people organized by Richard Dearlove (MI6) for Christopher Andrew (MI5 and founder of CSI), and worked by Stefan Halper (CIA). Also in attendance was Svetlana Lokhova, a junior member of CSI. She strikes up a conversation with Flynn (and his assistant), they exchange emails. Then Halper runs to the NYT and WSJ and anonymously says he has concerns about Flynn being recruited by the Russians.

 

Six weeks later, Flynn is fired. 

 

In March of 2017, after Flynn resigns as National Security Adviser and the media pile-on begins (the palace coup at this point), stories begin to break about emails exchanged between Flynn and Lokhova. The emails themselves are quoted, by Christopher Andrew in the Guardian, but never released or disclosed publicly. Flynn and Lokhova denied the emails existed. Yet, the story persisted until it became "fact". 

 

Two things JUMP out at me when looking at the Chuck Ross disclosure today (that Halper was the source of the 2014 articles).

 

1) Look at the names. They're the exact same people 44 reached out to use to spy on, and dirty up, Trump team members. Not just the same people, but they're playing the same roles, running the same plays deployed in 2016. 

 

2) The emails are key. It's possible Andrew was making them up entirely, fabricating their contents. But the question that's never asked is how he got them in the first place. He's MI5 - not 6. Here's my bet... he got those emails through Halper who (allegedly/almost confirmed) was one of the redacted names of government contractors with 702 access inside the DOJ-NSD.

 

In other words, the fact this went down in 2014 - using the same people and same playbook we saw in 2016-2017 - is not a coincidence. It's a pattern. It's evidence that this surveillance abuse was systemic and rampant in 44's administration. It wasn't just used to try to tip the presidential election, it was used to pour dirt on the graves of their political enemies even inside its own administration. 

 

I'll have much more to say about this when I get it all organized. 

 

Yeah, I saw the pattern.  "Wow...they're running the same schemes."

 

But I considered that second place to the whole Stalin-porn thing.

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Stalin peddled porn.

 

 

I'm stealing that for the first line of my next novel........................

 

?

[Prickly Pete]

5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

In other words, the fact this went down in 2014 - using the same people and same playbook we saw in 2016-2017 - is not a coincidence. It's a pattern. It's evidence that this surveillance abuse was systemic and rampant in 44's administration. It wasn't just used to try to tip the presidential election, it was used to pour dirt on the graves of their political enemies even inside its own administration. 

  

I'll have much more to say about this when I get it all organized. 

 

 

This is something I'm waiting to see, some Democrats stepping forward to expose wrongdoings by the Clintons/Obama, because they MUST have gotten into some conflicts with other Democrats along their career path. There has to be other Democrats that have been !@#$ed over or strong-armed (that are still alive, even). 

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2018 by OJABBA

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Conspiracy theory people.   

 

When you meet with russians you should expect to be monitored.  

 

Anyone who has or had a security clearance should know that! 

 

Speaking of conspiracy theories 

 

where is Melania?

 

 

[/dev/null]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Speaking of conspiracy theories 

 

where is Melania?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 days and no one has seen her 

 

what exactly did she go into the hospital for???

 

 

Face change?   Sex Change?

 

Frontal lobotomy?

 

for those unaware I’m joking 

 ? 

2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Georgio always comes through for you 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Conspiracy theory people.   

 

When you meet with russians you should expect to be monitored.  

 

Anyone who has or had a security clearance should know that! 

 

 

What happens when said meetings with Russians are designed and arranged by elements within the IC who are trying to create the illusion of criminality? Are we supposed to just ignore that part? 

 

Or is it okay this time because it was ordered by a democrat? 

 

And if that's true, then you have no problem I assume with the GOP using the FBI and CIA and reaching out to foreign intelligence services like MI6 to arrange the same surveillance operation and entrapment on every democratic candidate running in the midterms and 2020, correct? 

 

Or would that be an issue to you?

[njbuff]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What happens when said meetings with Russians are designed and arranged by elements within the IC who are trying to create the illusion of criminality? Are we supposed to just ignore that part? 

 

Or is it okay this time because it was ordered by a democrat? 

 

And if that's true, then you have no problem I assume with the GOP using the FBI and CIA and reaching out to foreign intelligence services like MI6 to arrange the same surveillance operation and entrapment on every democratic candidate running in the midterms and 2020, correct? 

 

Or would that be an issue to you?

 

Dimwitted Democrats, who can't stand Trump, will ALWAYS believe in this stupid Russian Collusion Delusion because they have nothing else.

 

Trump embarrassed these idiots before the election, Trump REALLY embarrassed them all on Election Night, as he made them all look like fools with their stupid narrative of "Hillary is going to win by a landslide" crap..................... and he is embarrassing them all as the US gains respect on the world stage again and Trump is trying to keep all his promises.

 

The braindead idiots everywhere from the flimsy leftist posters on here to the complete morons in MSM can't stand any of this, so they now hate America and Americans who support Trump and people like me who will respect the office of the Presidency (no matter who is in office, to me anyways)

 

Trump is a very flawed human, just like the rest of us, but people voted for him anyway, cause they grew tired of Obama and did not want Obama 2.0 in Hillary.

 

Democrats hate people like you (I don't know if you are a Trump supporter or simply looking for the truth) and me and that is why they cling to the ridiculous Russian Collusion Delusion.

Edited June 2, 2018 by njbuff

[TH3]

Well...at least you are good at not generalizing...

[njbuff]

Word is Obama went to Belichick for advice on how to spy.

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

2 hours ago, baskin said:

Well...at least you are good at not generalizing...

 

State your own unique position here, then.

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, OJABBA said:

 

State your own unique position here, then.

Please don't encourage him to post anything.