Koko78 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Fadingpain said: He entered the NFL too late, and he may be one of the very few players, ever, who was genuinely hampered by a measurable such as height. He truly was too short/small a guy. If you took everything else he had and put it into a 6'4" 225 lb. body, the dude would have been one of the greats. He didn't enter the NFL late. He was drafted by the Rams, who traded him to the Bears. He played in the NFL from 1986 to 1989, before going to the CFL. I agree though, if he were 6-7 inches taller and about 50 pounds heavier, he could very well have been fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Terrible comparison, but Flutie had 8 4th Quarter comeback wins and Taylor had 3. Did you actually see Flutie play? The Bills went 3 - 13 the year after Flutie left. How dos that make Bills players feel? What does this have to do with him being a bum teammate? Did they go 3-13 specifically because Flutie left? Did it have anything to do with a new coach? New GM? Significant roster change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Terrible comparison, but Flutie had 8 4th Quarter comeback wins and Taylor had 3. Did you actually see Flutie play? The Bills went 3 - 13 the year after Flutie left. How dos that make Bills players feel? Flutie went 5-11 with the Chargers in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Flutie went 5-11 with the Chargers in 2001. And they were 1 - 15 in 2000, the year before Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I think that some of these posters might not actually remember Johnson correctly. I’ve wanted to destroy my television set watching every QB since Kelly, but none were as obnoxious as Johnson. For those of you who don’t seem to remember correctly; Johnson was an extraordinarily talented QB who simply stood in the pocket taking sack after sack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Exacatically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I think that some of these posters might not actually remember Johnson correctly. I’ve wanted to destroy my television set watching every QB since Kelly, but none were as obnoxious as Johnson. For those of you who don’t seem to remember correctly; Johnson was an extraordinarily talented QB who simply stood in the pocket taking sack after sack. It is funny how people perceive of things differently. My take: Notwithstanding that Johnson's mom was a Buffalonian and he showed courage by taking a beating for the team and the fans, there was a certain segment of our "fans" that actually stood up and cheered at a home game when RJ got hurt. I was never more embarrassed to be a Buffalo Bills fan. Prior to that, I thought that we had some of the best fans in all of sports. After that, I thought that we still had some great fans, but a large segment were really no better than any other city . . . and those that cheered an injury to one of our own were about as low as you could go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Peter said: It is funny how people perceive of things differently. My take: Notwithstanding that Johnson's mom was a Buffalonian and he showed courage by taking a beating for the team and the fans, there was a certain segment of our "fans" that actually stood up and cheered at a home game when RJ got hurt. I was never more embarrassed to be a Buffalo Bills fan. Prior to that, I thought that we had some of the best fans in all of sports. After that, I thought that we still had some great fans, but a large segment were really no better than any other city . . . and those that cheered an injury to one of our own were about as low as you could go. Never heard that Johnson’s mom was from Buffalo. Inside info? Or did you read that somewhere? Johnson wouldn’t have had to ever take such a beating if he had any pocket awareness. QB’s get hit and sustain injuries, but Johnson’s pocket awareness was among the worst I’ve ever seen. Edited April 23, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Never heard that Johnson’s mom was from Buffalo. Inside info? Or did you read that somewhere? A lot of people did not seem to know that for some reason. I recall reading about the Buffalo connection when we acquired him. As I recall, she spent some of her years growing up in WNY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Peter said: A lot of people did not seem to know that for some reason. I recall reading about the Buffalo connection when we acquired him. As I recall, she spent some of her years growing up in WNY. I find it shocking that we didn’t hear about this fact Ad naseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 All I know is, the expression isn't "=DF" or "=JP" or even "=TE". It's "=RJ". For good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I find it shocking that we didn’t hear about this fact Ad naseum. Me too. I was surprised at how vitriolic some in our fan base were regarding him. They never seemed to ever give the guy any benefit of the doubt. I think that the Bills would have been better off with one or the other. With both, we had a civil war. Edited April 23, 2018 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don’t condone cheering when a player is injured, but it was a reflection of how truly awful Johnson was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I don’t condone cheering when a player is injured, but it was a reflection of how truly awful Johnson was. On this we disagree. I believe that, if we had an offensive line that was better in pass protection, he would have been just fine for us. As it was, he had some good games for us and, I think, at one time (perhaps still) he holds a Bills record for completion percentage or something like that. "Truly awful" does not accurately describe RJ's ability and betrays your bias. In any event, I admired his courage and dedication to the team notwithstanding the incessant abuse he took from some who seemed to be Flutie fans more than they were Buffalo Bills fans. Just my two cents. Edited April 23, 2018 by Peter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Sky Diver said: How did he manage to have a 70% winning percentage while destroying the locker room? It sounds nothing short of miraculous if true. He had the top defense in the league holding opposing offenses to like 10-13 points per game. That's how. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Never heard that Johnson’s mom was from Buffalo. Inside info? Or did you read that somewhere? Johnson wouldn’t have had to ever take such a beating if he had any pocket awareness. QB’s get hit and sustain injuries, but Johnson’s pocket awareness was among the worst I’ve ever seen. His mother is from Hamburg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, Peter said: It is funny how people perceive of things differently. My take: Notwithstanding that Johnson's mom was a Buffalonian and he showed courage by taking a beating for the team and the fans, there was a certain segment of our "fans" that actually stood up and cheered at a home game when RJ got hurt. I was never more embarrassed to be a Buffalo Bills fan. Prior to that, I thought that we had some of the best fans in all of sports. After that, I thought that we still had some great fans, but a large segment were really no better than any other city . . . and those that cheered an injury to one of our own were about as low as you could go. +100000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Peter said: On this we disagree. I believe that, if we had an offensive line that was better in pass protection, he would have been just fine for us. As it was, he had some good games for us and, I think, at one time (perhaps still) he holds a Bills record for completion percentage or something like that. "Truly awful" does not accurately describe RJ's ability and betrays your bias. In any event, I admired his courage and dedication to the team notwithstanding the incessant abuse he took from some who seemed to be Flutie fans more than they were Buffalo Bills fans. Just my two cents. I don’t care where Johnson’s mother was born in Hamburg or that Flutie was allegedly a bad guy. The objective fact was that Flutie had a 70% winnning percentage with Buffalo and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: I don’t care where Johnson’s mother was born in Hamburg or that Flutie was allegedly a bad guy. The objective fact was that Flutie had a 70% winnning percentage with Buffalo and Flutie had a 34.5% winning percentage. I know you don't. And I don't care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Peter said: I know you don't. And I don't care. You said that I am biased. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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