Sadly, I think this mock from CBS is the most accurate...

[H2o]

30 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So, you’re a fan???

Oh yes..... I love me some of the Lamar Jackson as a Franchise QB talk, let me tell you. 

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

I'd rather wait until round 2 and take Lauletta if this scenario plays out.

You are apart of the crowd that makes it impossible to criticize Jackson because you immediately label them a racist. Grow up and let freedom of opinion exist.

While what you say is true....if others would let go of their stereo types at the same time the conversation would also be better.

 

Its happening on both sides

2 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

Yes, I understand that. I was pointing out the irony of him getting upset and playing the race card when someone compared him to Taylor, then he’s goes right around and compares him to Vick. 

Maybe its not the fact that they are black qbs....maybe it is the fact that they are both excellent athletes and duel threats......I hate the race card being played as well there really is no place for it.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Klaista2k said:

If that happens I'm done. 

Promise?

41 minutes ago, QBorBust2018 said:

I will consider ending my life. I don’t know if I would want to live to see another bust with the 22nd pick. 

Typical bills. Miss the gravy train on QBs!  LOLmar Jackson 

I really dont even know why Im using key strokes to respond to your drivel that ads nothing.....

 

- We current are not in a position to take one of Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield

- Yes they are better options

- Its the draft....where anything can happen so they need to have a fall back plan....to come out of this draft with NO qb would be the real disaster

[maryland-bills-fan]

If we can't trade up to the top 5 because they are keeping their picks and 4 of th 5 are taking one of the QB that we want, well the plan to trade up, even if it means trading the entire draft doesn't work,,,, as well as the hopes of a more modest move up ( to 6-10) to snag one of the top four......We do need to draft a QB this year (and every year until we think we have a real good one).  But #12 is too high to use on Jackson or Rudolph.   I suggest that we then try to do two things. 

 

{number one}  trade down from #12 a few slots and take from the next tier, which is Jackson or Rudolph.  Either of these has almost the same  ? (40% versus 70%? type numbers) of being a franchise guy.  Different people believe that different ones of these are the "90% can't miss" guy" I can't believe that they ALL are 90% franchise quarterback hits.

and

{number two}   trade one of our 2nd round picks this year for some team's number one pick in 2019.  This will give us two 1st round picks next year for another swing.  Who knows what might develop in college next year? 

 

Here is what we could get with a trade-down from the #12 pick.

down to     gets us the pick on the left and also this overall pick

==============================

#14............100th player  (4th round)

#16.............78th player  (3rd round)

#18............60th player    (2nd round)

#20............55th player   (2nd round)

#22.............48th player  (2nd round)

#24.............44th player   (2nd round)

#26.............40th player   (2nd round)

#28.............36th player   (2nd round)

#30.............32nd player   (2nd round)

#32.............30.5th player (1st round)

 

 

We would have two firsts, two seconds, two thirds (+lower picks) this year AND two firsts next year.

 

Two offensive linemen, a linebacker, a wide receiver and two other BPA would give our QB some good support.

Who knows?  In 5 years it may be looked at as the smartest move of the last decade.

Edited April 21, 2018 by maryland-bills-fan

[Beast]

17 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

I'm worried that's Elway blowing smoke so a team like Buffalo doesn't go to 2 or 4 and take his QB.

 

 

So, if Elway says he is staying put at 5 he doesn’t have to worry about a team like the Bills moving up to 2 or 4?

 

That makes no sense.

[Bing Bong]

Golly the Lamar hate is unreal. I'm starting to think he'll be a beast since 90% of TBD is so convinced

8 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

I'd rather wait until round 2 and take Lauletta if this scenario plays out.

You are apart of the crowd that makes it impossible to criticize Jackson because you immediately label them a racist. Grow up and let freedom of opinion exist.

Racist accusations aside he's 100% correct Lamar's floor is better than tyrod's ceiling. And Lamar's ceiling is MVP caliber

[Buffalo Ballin]

This is the most accurate mock. I'm damn happy when this happens. I noticed that when Lamar Jackson starts getting hot with his passes, he hits another awesome level. This is the kid. Forget Tyrod Taylor.

[Buddy Hix]

I’m good with Vick 2.0 if the new OC is capable of installing an offence that works for him. But I think taking him at 22, after getting Smith at 12, is a better idea.

[PIZ]

31 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

So, if Elway says he is staying put at 5 he doesn’t have to worry about a team like the Bills moving up to 2 or 4?

 

That makes no sense.

 

Nope.  I didn't say that.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, JM57 said:

The amount of people on this board who seem to be okay with watching Nathan Peterman or AJ McCarron for 16 games is truly astounding to me. There is one major goal in this draft. Get a quarterback. You have 5 picks in the first 65 and 6 in the first 96. Get. Your. Guy. Enough of this "what about next year's QB class" crap.

 

I speak only for myself, but I think you may be misunderstanding.

 

I want the Bills to Get. Your. Guy.  But it has to be recognized, that whether or not their guy (or guys) is available at a slot they can trade into, is only partly within their control.

 

I don't want the Bills to trade up and grab the 3rd or 4th of 4 remaining QB, echoing what they did in 2004 with JP Losman, just to "Get A Guy".  I don't want them to reach.  I would rather have them trade down and take a shot on a value pick at QB in the 2nd round.

 

The bottom line that fans don't get, is that finding a good QB may be a process: draft one, evaluate, trade for one, evaluate, trade up for one.  Even if we trade up and draft Our Guy, there's a very significant chance he will not be the guy of our dreams, and we need to go through the process. 

 

The problem isn't the process, the problem is (as was true for the Bills this century) when there isn't one, or when we reach.

[JM57]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I speak only for myself, but I think you may be misunderstanding.

 

I want the Bills to Get. Your. Guy.  But it has to be recognized, that whether or not their guy (or guys) is available at a slot they can trade into, is only partly within their control.

 

I don't want the Bills to trade up and grab the 3rd or 4th of 4 remaining QB, echoing what they did in 2004 with JP Losman, just to "Get A Guy".  I don't want them to reach.  I would rather have them trade down and take a shot on a value pick at QB in the 2nd round.

 

The bottom line that fans don't get, is that finding a good QB may be a process: draft one, evaluate, trade for one, evaluate, trade up for one.  Even if we trade up and draft Our Guy, there's a very significant chance he will not be the guy of our dreams, and we need to go through the process. 

 

The problem isn't the process, the problem is (as was true for the Bills this century) when there isn't one, or when we reach.

Get your guy =/= Get a guy. In the 2004 draft there were 3 good QBs, legend has it they tried to move up to take Big Ben and failed and then settled for Losman. History shows that was a colossal mistake. I would have paid an obscene amount of draft capital to have Manning, Rivers or Big Ben instead of Losman. And the same applies this year. I do not care what it takes to get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. If the Bills settle for whoever, but those 3 turn out good while Allen, Jackson and Rudolph turn out mediocre, nothing changes from the last 20 years, the Bills will continue to flounder in mediocrity.

[1billsfan]

48 minutes ago, JM57 said:

Get your guy =/= Get a guy. In the 2004 draft there were 3 good QBs, legend has it they tried to move up to take Big Ben and failed and then settled for Losman. History shows that was a colossal mistake. I would have paid an obscene amount of draft capital to have Manning, Rivers or Big Ben instead of Losman. And the same applies this year. I do not care what it takes to get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. If the Bills settle for whoever, but those 3 turn out good while Allen, Jackson and Rudolph turn out mediocre, nothing changes from the last 20 years, the Bills will continue to flounder in mediocrity.

 

In 2015, Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel were chosen over Derek Carr and Jimmy Garapolo. You just can't equate drafts like you did with 2004 because every draft class is different.

 

I can easily see Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph having franchise QB careers and either or all Rosen, Mayfield or Allen being busts.

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by 1billsfan

[xRUSHx]

35 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 

In 2015, Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel were chosen over Derek Carr and Jimmy Garapolo. You just can't equate drafts like you did with 2004 because every draft class is different.

 

I can easily see Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph having franchise QB careers than either or all Rosen, Mayfield or Allen being busts.

 

What is your record at picking QBs?

Do you watch enough college ball to even make a logical choice?

 

So what your saying is YOU can easily see the top guys being busts and the later guys being franchise type QBs so we should all just forget our eyes that watch college ball all the time and the experts because hey 1billsfan says we do not need one of the top talent from this draft because everyone else is not correct 1billsfan is. SMH

 

Every draft class is different just like you said and IMO every QB that comes into the league develops differently because of said QB surroundings. Like the one you brought up Grapooo that got to learn behind some say the greatest QB/coach ever. Hard to say but IMO most late rounders would do well in NE. As for Bortles he did very well in the playoffs and in the AFC championship game gave his team 40 points and almost won it. He is not as bad as you would like to paint, I think Jax will build around him and again be a playoff team this year. Carr has a strong supporting cast by his very good team and he also has a good football family that will help him develop, every class is different but also every player is different in there own way. Johnny football screwed up bad hey QB fails happens. RG3 was overused in Washington and was broken. Cousens turned out better in the long run, sadly for him not well enough for Washington to keep him as a franchise worthy QB there.

 

Truth is IMO you go after the best talent you can get and hope it works out and the top talent is at the top of the draft because of how well they did in college that shows how well they play the game and understand it. Late rounders happen but that is very slim for it to happen on teams that need said late rounder to be great because they have no set franchise worthy QB.. Sure it happens for late rounders but more for teams with a franchise QB all ready in place. IMO go for the top talent and hope he makes it happen because of how he made it happen at his college.

Edited April 22, 2018 by xRUSHx

[Ittakestime]

I do think when all said and done, Jackson will be in top 3 of successful QBs coming from this draft

[1billsfan]

18 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

What is your record at picking QBs?

Do you watch enough college ball to even make a logical choice?

 

So what your saying is YOU can easily see the top guys being busts and the later guys being franchise type QBs so we should all just forget our eyes that watch college ball all the time and the experts because hey 1billsfan says we do not need one of the top talent from this draft because everyone else is not correct 1billsfan is. SMH

 

I was a big fan of the Bills drafting either Mahomes or Watson.

 

My eyes say that Lamar Jackson is the future of the NFL.

 

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by 1billsfan

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, xRUSHx said:

What is your record at picking QBs?

Do you watch enough college ball to even make a logical choice?

 

So what your saying is YOU can easily see the top guys being busts and the later guys being franchise type QBs so we should all just forget our eyes that watch college ball all the time and the experts because hey 1billsfan says we do not need one of the top talent from this draft because everyone else is not correct 1billsfan is. SMH

 

Every draft class is different just like you said and IMO every QB that comes into the league develops differently because of said QB surroundings. Like the one you brought up Grapooo that got to learn behind some say the greatest QB/coach ever. Hard to say but IMO most late rounders would do well in NE. As for Bortles he did very well in the playoffs and in the AFC championship game gave his team 40 points and almost won it. He is not as bad as you would like to paint, I think Jax will build around him and again be a playoff team this year. Carr has a strong supporting cast by his very good team and he also has a good football family that will help him develop, every class is different but also every player is different in there own way. Johnny football screwed up bad hey QB fails happens. RG3 was overused in Washington and was broken. Cousens turned out better in the long run, sadly for him not well enough for Washington to keep him as a franchise worthy QB there.

 

Truth is IMO you go after the best talent you can get and hope it works out and the top talent is at the top of the draft because of how well they did in college that shows how well they play the game and understand it. Late rounders happen but that is very slim for it to happen on teams that need said late rounder to be great because they have no set franchise worthy QB.. Sure it happens for late rounders but more for teams with a franchise QB all ready in place. IMO go for the top talent and hope he makes it happen because of how he made it happen at his college.

By your own logic, Lamar Jackson "talent wise" is one of if not the most "talented" player in the draft. Yet you don't want the Bills to draft him? If you watched Jackson play in college, HE lead his team to a 23-11 record in his collegiate career. He was ALWAYS the BEST PLAYER on the field every game he played. 

[MJS]

That would be a downer.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, the skycap said:

By your own logic, Lamar Jackson "talent wise" is one of if not the most "talented" player in the draft. Yet you don't want the Bills to draft him? If you watched Jackson play in college, HE lead his team to a 23-11 record in his collegiate career. He was ALWAYS the BEST PLAYER on the field every game he played. 

Opinion - Rosen is better

Fact - We may not be able to get to Rosen

Opinion but probably closer to fact - we cannot come away from this draft without a qb

 

Lamar Jackson's potential is crazy high......he is already pretty good.....take him at 12 and keep your picks is not a failure for the bills

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Opinion - Rosen is better

Fact - We may not be able to get to Rosen

Opinion but probably closer to fact - we cannot come away from this draft without a qb

 

Lamar Jackson's potential is crazy high......he is already pretty good.....take him at 12 and keep your picks is not a failure for the bills

I feel that Jackson at 12 is a panic, yet Jackson at 22 is viewed as a " smart move". 

[John from Riverside]

19 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

I’m good with Vick 2.0 if the new OC is capable of installing an offence that works for him. But I think taking him at 22, after getting Smith at 12, is a better idea.

I just dont think he is gonna be available at 22.  My nightmare scenario is the pats trading up for him just ahead of us

[Boatdrinks]

19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just dont think he is gonna be available at 22.  My nightmare scenario is the pats trading up for him just ahead of us

I don't either, but it's a no win for the Bills, at least initially. Jackson at 12 will be panned as a reach, at 22 it will be smart. If BB takes Jackson it's a stroke of genius, if the Bills do they're  " settling for a very flawed player that some teams think is a WR" . 

Edited April 22, 2018 by Boatdrinks