Prediction Rudolph will go before Rosen if the Bills are selecting a QB at 12

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

i agree with your last point and grade rudolph way above lamar..... and not 4 nuthin derek carr went in the 2nd......

I'm not saying Rudolph won't be successful and Lamar can't be successful. I just see them as second tier QBs in this draft.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

21 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

I'm a Rosen guy but that article and other emphases lead me to believe that the Bills are not interested in

1)  Rosen

2)  Mayfield

 

They are interested in

1)  Darnold

2)  Allen

3)  Rudolph

4)  Jackson

5)  Falk

 

Their emphasis is on culture and I think they will do extra homework to make sure that whoever they take fits within the culture they are trying to build.  I think their preference is to land Darnold or Allen, but they will take a lesser talented player (Rudolph, Falk) and less polished player (Jackson) at the position than bring in a guy that does not fit the culture.

 

Hopefully, I'm wrong and the interviews with Rosen and Mayfield went well and they saw something, heard things and that these guys actually do fit into the culture.  But if they don't they just don't.  No need to force it.

I went back and read the article again and that is not my take at all. If they take a lesser talent like the guys you mentioned ahead of Rosen or Mayfield it will get them fired!

[NewEraBills]

1 minute ago, horned dogs said:

I went back and read the article again and that is not my take at all. If they take a lesser talent like the guys you mentioned ahead of Rosen or Mayfield it will get them fired!

 

Ohhh I'm not saying it wouldn't.  And I never made a claim about their jobs although, it would be on the line.  I'm just saying they preach culture ALL the time and they are not going to take a guy they do not think fits that.  Like I said, hopefully, I'm wrong and Rosen and Mayfield truthfully and sincerely fit their culture model as I'm for Rosen, but I have questions if both do.

 

Given the thing that happened with Zay they are working overtime to make sure whoever they take fits within the culture but this guy doesn't just fit, he's going to have to be a leader of it.  That's where I have questions about Rosen and Mayfield.

[SouthNYfan]

2 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I went back and read the article again and that is not my take at all. If they take a lesser talent like the guys you mentioned ahead of Rosen or Mayfield it will get them fired!

 

There is no f*cking way they pass on Mayfield or Rosen for Rudolph/Jackson/any of the other lower tier guys.

I'm not saying they might say that the cost to move up and draft Rosen/Baker is higher than they want, so they will settle for the other guys, but no way they actually pass Rosen/Mayfield if they are available when they are selecting.

You're right 100%

[NewEraBills]

11 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

There is no f*cking way they pass on Mayfield or Rosen for Rudolph/Jackson/any of the other lower tier guys.

I'm not saying they might say that the cost to move up and draft Rosen/Baker is higher than they want, so they will settle for the other guys, but no way they actually pass Rosen/Mayfield if they are available when they are selecting.

You're right 100%

 

 

This is an emotional response that is only looking at this from the perspective of talent.   Of course talent wise you don't pass on Mayfield or Rosen for those guys.  I'd be lunacy.  But I don't think Beane and McD are simply looking for talent.  They are looking for talent + a guy that represents what they are building culture wise, that's why I think Darnold and Allen are their top two guys.

 

I'm all for Rosen, Mayfield.  Those are my top two QBs.  I just don't think Beane and McD see those guys as representative of what they are trying to build.  I want to be wrong on this but look at some of the things that Mayfield says in interviews, that Rosen says in interviews, then look at what Rudolph, Darnold, Allen, Falk says.  What people say is indicative of who they are and what they represent.  Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building.  Beane and McD are not just drafting a football player.  They are drafting that plus a guy that can represent the culture. 

 

Like I said, I hope their time with Mayfield and Rosen truthfully showed them that these are guys that fit what they are building, but as we get closer to the draft there's just too much going on around these guys to make me believe that they are the models that Beane and McD want representing the Bills.

[SouthNYfan]

39 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

This is an emotional response that is only looking at this from the perspective of talent.   Of course talent wise you don't pass on Mayfield or Rosen for those guys.  I'd be lunacy.  But I don't think Beane and McD are simply looking for talent.  They are looking for talent + a guy that represents what they are building culture wise, that's why I think Darnold and Allen are their top two guys.

 

I'm all for Rosen, Mayfield.  Those are my top two QBs.  I just don't think Beane and McD see those guys as representative of what they are trying to build.  I want to be wrong on this but look at some of the things that Mayfield says in interviews, that Rosen says in interviews, then look at what Rudolph, Darnold, Allen, Falk says.  What people say is indicative of who they are and what they represent.  Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building.  Beane and McD are not just drafting a football player.  They are drafting that plus a guy that can represent the culture. 

 

Like I said, I hope their time with Mayfield and Rosen truthfully showed them that these are guys that fit what they are building, but as we get closer to the draft there's just too much going on around these guys to make me believe that they are the models that Beane and McD want representing the Bills.

 

No.

This isn't an emotional response.

This is an objective response based on actual on the field footage and objective measurements.

Rosen and Mayfield are better prospects than Rudolph, Falk, Jackson, Lauletta, Ferguson.

That's a fact.

I'm not going to go through the hundreds of links with actual game footage and such again.

You speaking about the "models they want representing the Bills" which implies that they will pass on Rosen and Mayfield for Rudolph is an "emotional response"

Your words of "Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building." Is exactly the definition of "emotional response"

[NewEraBills]

5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

No.

This isn't an emotional response.

This is an objective response based on actual on the field footage and objective measurements.

Rosen and Mayfield are better prospects than Rudolph, Falk, Jackson, Lauletta, Ferguson.

That's a fact.

I'm not going to go through the hundreds of links with actual game footage and such again.

You speaking about the "models they want representing the Bills" which implies that they will pass on Rosen and Mayfield for Rudolph is an "emotional response"

Your words of "Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building." Is exactly the definition of "emotional response"

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How is that emotional in what I said.  It's actually logic.

 

Beane and McD preach culture

They are not going to take a guy that doesn't fit the culture

There are several questions as to whether Mayfield or Rosen fit the culture

Rudolph fits the cultural leadership model they envision

While Mayfield and Rosen are more talented Rudolph fits the culture

They are going to take a guy that fits their culture over one who doesn't

 

 

Now had I said, I like Rudolph and if they take anyone over him then I'm going to be pissed.  That's an emotional response.  But when you factor in what they preach and the type of personality that they are trying to put in place as the leader of what they have built, as much as I see Mayfield and Rosen as better talents, I think there are severe questions on their fit and I think that's why they'd just wait it out and take Rudolph at a lower draft spot than take Mayfield or Rosen.  I'm not going to be surprised at all if Rosen or Mayfield slip.  Let me be very clear so you will not assume what I am NOT saying.  This is not a question about their talent.  But the thing you have to factor in is you and I are watching these guys on TV.  The GM and coaches are in some sense living with this guy, asking him to represent what they have built and telling the NFL and sports at large this is what we've built and this guy as the model for that.

 

If you don't think this factors into their evals or any GM's evaluations I'm not sure what to say.  That's essentially the ultimate point I'm making.  I'm not suggesting that Rudolph, Jackson or any of those guys are better QBs than Rosen or Mayfield.  I'm suggesting that they fit what Beane and McD are looking for as a locker room guy, as a guy they can put in front of the camera and not have to worry about him saying something that they will have to clean up, as one who represents their process and culture through and through. there are too many questions surrounding Rosen and Mayfield.

[Where’sLloyd]

Whoever gets Rosen will be lucky, because I believe he will fall a bit but not past 12. Injuries are a concern, but Luck and RG3 didn’t really have injury flags and look at them now. It’s the reality of the biz. I think the personality thing is nonsense, Rosen has the best arm talent of the group and his frame can be fixed with some weight gainer and a few trips to the gym. 

 

If you think Rosen rubs people the wrong way just look at Jim Kelly or even Elway draft time. Couldn’t care less about their attitudes. Rudolph is just not that good from what I have read.

[NewEraBills]

Just now, Where’sLloyd said:

Whoever gets Rosen will be lucky, because I believe he will fall a bit but not past 12. Injuries are a concern, but Luck and RG3 didn’t really have injury flags and look at them now. It’s the reality of the biz. I think the personality thing is nonsense, Rosen has the best arm talent of the group and his frame can be fixed with some weight gainer and a few trips to the gym. 

 

If you think Rosen rubs people the wrong way just look at Jim Kelly or even Elway draft time. Couldn’t care less about their attitudes. Rudolph is just not that good from what I have read.

 

It's not about what I think, it's about whether Beane and McD thinks this guy represents their process and culture through and through.  As fans we don't care.  But if you are a GM and you are having to worry about whether you are going to have to clean up something this guy has said, it's not a good look and I don't see it is something Beane and McD envision as a trait of their guy.

 

Their talent is not the question.  The question is whether the fit what Beane and McD want through and through.  As a football player they probably do, but outside of that, I think there are too many questions for Beane and McD to be comfortable.  But hey, they survived Cam, so maybe, but then again, Cam may be exactly the reason why they pass too.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, NewEraBills said:

 

This is an emotional response that is only looking at this from the perspective of talent.   Of course talent wise you don't pass on Mayfield or Rosen for those guys.  I'd be lunacy.  But I don't think Beane and McD are simply looking for talent.  They are looking for talent + a guy that represents what they are building culture wise, that's why I think Darnold and Allen are their top two guys.

 

I'm all for Rosen, Mayfield.  Those are my top two QBs.  I just don't think Beane and McD see those guys as representative of what they are trying to build.  I want to be wrong on this but look at some of the things that Mayfield says in interviews, that Rosen says in interviews, then look at what Rudolph, Darnold, Allen, Falk says.  What people say is indicative of who they are and what they represent.  Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building.  Beane and McD are not just drafting a football player.  They are drafting that plus a guy that can represent the culture. 

 

Like I said, I hope their time with Mayfield and Rosen truthfully showed them that these are guys that fit what they are building, but as we get closer to the draft there's just too much going on around these guys to make me believe that they are the models that Beane and McD want representing the Bills.

For what it's worth, I have a hunch that you're right about the culture stuff at One Bills Drive right now. Where I differ from you is in my belief that Darnold is a better prospect than either Rosen or Mayfield (and I like both of them). I think he's head and shoulders above the other qb prospects. I also think he goes #1 overall. 

[PastaJoe]

If Beane and McD pass on the most talented QB available because he doesn’t fit their idea of culture, and that QB goes on to success while the Bills pick falters, they won’t be around in 3 years to promote their culture.

[SouthNYfan]

20 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

 

How is that emotional in what I said.  It's actually logic.

 

Beane and McD preach culture

They are not going to take a guy that doesn't fit the culture

There are several questions as to whether Mayfield or Rosen fit the culture

Rudolph fits the cultural leadership model they envision

While Mayfield and Rosen are more talented Rudolph fits the culture

They are going to take a guy that fits their culture over one who doesn't

 

 

Now had I said, I like Rudolph and if they take anyone over him then I'm going to be pissed.  That's an emotional response.  But when you factor in what they preach and the type of personality that they are trying to put in place as the leader of what they have built, as much as I see Mayfield and Rosen as better talents, I think there are severe questions on their fit and I think that's why they'd just wait it out and take Rudolph at a lower draft spot than take Mayfield or Rosen.  I'm not going to be surprised at all if Rosen or Mayfield slip.  Let me be very clear so you will not assume what I am NOT saying.  This is not a question about their talent.  But the thing you have to factor in is you and I are watching these guys on TV.  The GM and coaches are in some sense living with this guy, asking him to represent what they have built and telling the NFL and sports at large this is what we've built and this guy as the model for that.

 

If you don't think this factors into their evals or any GM's evaluations I'm not sure what to say.  That's essentially the ultimate point I'm making.  I'm not suggesting that Rudolph, Jackson or any of those guys are better QBs than Rosen or Mayfield.  I'm suggesting that they fit what Beane and McD are looking for as a locker room guy, as a guy they can put in front of the camera and not have to worry about him saying something that they will have to clean up, as one who represents their process and culture through and through. there are too many questions surrounding Rosen and Mayfield.

 

It's an emotional reaction that you are making assumptions based on the "feelings of the culture"

 

Rosen and Mayfield are dramatically ahead of Rudolph as far as talent and objective measurements.

 

I have no doubt that any front office looks at personality/off the field things when making their evaluation.

 

The issue, in THIS case, is the talent gap is dramatic, to the point that I guarantee no team in the NFL would rather have Rudolph over Mayfield or Rosen if the costs were the same.

 

If they were sure Rudolph was going to be there at #22, I could see them saying "let's stick to another impact player at #12, and get Rudolph at #22" rather than trade up for Rosen/Mayfield.

That not crazy, in a vacuum.

The issue is, as I said earlier, that's a huge risk, because after him, it's an even bigger drop-off to the next tier of guys, which means you have to take him at #12 to assure you get him, and if, and that's a big if, Rosen or Mayfield is available at #12 along with Rudolph, there is no way they take Rudolph over one of them.

[NewEraBills]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

For what it's worth, I have a hunch that you're right about the culture stuff at One Bills Drive right now. Where I differ from you is in my belief that Darnold is a better prospect than either Rosen or Mayfield (and I like both of them). I think he's head and shoulders above the other qb prospects. I also think he goes #1 overall. 

 

  I couldn't understand why Daniel Jeremiah gushed over Darnold so much.  I looked at some tape and saw some things.  I think Rosen is more polished.  I think Darnold is the closest to Allen in arm strength and he has the personality that Beane and McD covet.  To me, he is their #1 guy and Allen is a close 2nd.  Darnold and Allen can also both extend plays when need be.  Given Beane and McD history around QB's, they've been around guys that have top-flight arm strength and the ability to extend the play when they need to, but primarily work from the pocket.

 

We don't necessarily disagree.  I fluctuate as I keep watching.  Darnold has more untapped talent than both Rosen and Mayfield.  I can see that.  The latter two are probably not far off from being the best they are going to get.

 

[SouthNYfan]

9 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

If Beane and McD pass on the most talented QB available because he doesn’t fit their idea of culture, and that QB goes on to success while the Bills pick falters, they won’t be around in 3 years to promote their culture.

 

Exactly what I'm saying.

 

If prospects are roughly equal, then you can go with the "character guy"

In this case Rudolph is so far below Rosen and Mayfield that there's no way they pass on one of them if available to take the guy who fits their culture.

[NewEraBills]

10 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

If Beane and McD pass on the most talented QB available because he doesn’t fit their idea of culture, and that QB goes on to success while the Bills pick falters, they won’t be around in 3 years to promote their culture.

It's the risk you take though.  If that guy doesn't represent what Beane and McD want, you think they are going to want to keep him around?  So I think they will try like hell to land Darnold or Allen.

[17 Josh Allen]

1 hour ago, NewEraBills said:

 

This is an emotional response that is only looking at this from the perspective of talent.   Of course talent wise you don't pass on Mayfield or Rosen for those guys.  I'd be lunacy.  But I don't think Beane and McD are simply looking for talent.  They are looking for talent + a guy that represents what they are building culture wise, that's why I think Darnold and Allen are their top two guys.

 

I'm all for Rosen, Mayfield.  Those are my top two QBs.  I just don't think Beane and McD see those guys as representative of what they are trying to build.  I want to be wrong on this but look at some of the things that Mayfield says in interviews, that Rosen says in interviews, then look at what Rudolph, Darnold, Allen, Falk says.  What people say is indicative of who they are and what they represent.  Football wise you don't take Rudolph or Falk before Mayfield or Rosen you just don't, but when you start talking about personalities and fits that's where things change in terms of the culture they are building.  Beane and McD are not just drafting a football player.  They are drafting that plus a guy that can represent the culture. 

 

Like I said, I hope their time with Mayfield and Rosen truthfully showed them that these are guys that fit what they are building, but as we get closer to the draft there's just too much going on around these guys to make me believe that they are the models that Beane and McD want representing the Bills.

could not agree more. Rudolph is there perfect QB for there process at 12 and they get to keep all of there picks. He has Size, Arm, 4 year career, media savvy, great stats, Good citizen, he checks all the boxes. Let’s say Browns, NYG and Den will not trade out. Bills are probably looking at Mayfield Allen, Rudolph or Jackson. Allen is my favorite but I will be super happy with Rudolph or Jackson. Any of these 3 could end up being the best QB’s in this draft class I know the Dolphins want Mayfield bad watch out for them. 

 

This is what I think will happen

 

Browns - Darnold

NYG - Barkley 

Jets - Rosen

clev- Chubb

Den -  DB or Guard or QB Allen. 

Colts ? trade out or pick 

 

Bills will need to move up to get Allen or Mayfield 

so will see what happens. I think the Dolphins and Cards will try and move up into slots 6-10 so we better be ready. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

could not agree more. Rudolph is there perfect QB for there process at 12 and they get to keep all of there picks. He has Size, Arm, 4 year career, media savvy, great stats, Good citizen, he checks all the boxes. Let’s say Browns, NYG and Den will not trade out. Bills are probably looking at Mayfield Allen, Rudolph or Jackson. Allen is my favorite but I will be super happy with Rudolph or Jackson. Any of these 3 could end up being the best QB’s in this draft class I know the Dolphins want Mayfield bad watch out for them. 

 

This is what I think will happen

 

Browns - Darnold

NYG - Barkley 

Jets - Rosen

clev- Chubb

Den -  DB or Guard or QB Allen. 

Colts ? trade out or pick 

 

Bills will need to move up to get Allen or Mayfield 

so will see what happens. I think the Dolphins and Cards will try and move up into slots 6-10 so we better be ready. 

 

Well here's you saying it's sealed that Allen goes #1.

 

 

[NewEraBills]

3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

It's an emotional reaction that you are making assumptions based on the "feelings of the culture"

 

Rosen and Mayfield are dramatically ahead of Rudolph as far as talent and objective measurements.

 

I have no doubt that any front office looks at personality/off the field things when making their evaluation.

 

The issue, in THIS case, is the talent gap is dramatic, to the point that I guarantee no team in the NFL would rather have Rudolph over Mayfield or Rosen if the costs were the same.

 

If they were sure Rudolph was going to be there at #22, I could see them saying "let's stick to another impact player at #12, and get Rudolph at #22" rather than trade up for Rosen/Mayfield.

That not crazy, in a vacuum.

The issue is, as I said earlier, that's a huge risk, because after him, it's an even bigger drop-off to the next tier of guys, which means you have to take him at #12 to assure you get him, and if, and that's a big if, Rosen or Mayfield is available at #12 along with Rudolph, there is no way they take Rudolph over one of them.

 

"feelings of culture".  I never used that language at all.  Beane and McD always use the language of culture though and they are pretty clear on what it means, to them.  It's not about what they feel or I feel, they've pretty much laid out what they are talking about.  Again, I will say I'm not suggesting that they should take Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield.  What I am saying though is I would not be surprised to see Rosen and Mayfield slip and that they will try their best to land Darnold or Allen first and if they can't, they may leave QB alone until round 2 and take Rudolph if he's there.

 

All I'm saying is as we've gotten closer to the draft, I think the picture on what they are looking for is clearer.  I think their goal is to land Darnold or Allen and if they can't they are not going to take Mayfield or Rosen if those interviews did not indicate these guys fit what they are looking for both in a football player and as a guy that represents what they are building.

[TheFunPolice]

I think we might be surprised at how one or more of the QBs slides a bit...

 

Teams are going to be sitting there looking at amazing prospects at other positions. Do they take the 3rd or 4th best QB or a potential pro bowl caliber DE or G, or CB or S?

 

 

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

"feelings of culture".  I never used that language at all.  Beane and McD always use the language of culture though and they are pretty clear on what it means, to them.  It's not about what they feel or I feel, they've pretty much laid out what they are talking about.  Again, I will say I'm not suggesting that they should take Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield.  What I am saying though is I would not be surprised to see Rosen and Mayfield slip and that they will try their best to land Darnold or Allen first and if they can't, they may leave QB alone until round 2 and take Rudolph if he's there.

 

All I'm saying is as we've gotten closer to the draft, I think the picture on what they are looking for is clearer.  I think their goal is to land Darnold or Allen and if they can't they are not going to take Mayfield or Rosen if those interviews did not indicate these guys fit what they are looking for both in a football player and as a guy that represents what they are building.

True or not, that's a plausible take.  I hope they are able to move up, because settling for a Day 2 guy is not very appealing.

[17 Josh Allen]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Well here's you saying it's sealed that Allen goes #1.

 

 

Well it’s rumored that Cleveland will take him with the 1st pick in the daft. That was what I thought would happen. What I’m hoping for or would like to see happen is the Bills get one of these 4 QB’s. 

So what I think will happen and what I want to see are 2 different things. Am I ok to still post royal cheese ? , Do I have your permission. 

 

Allen 

Mayfield 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[Dr. Who]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

I think we might be surprised at how one or more of the QBs slides a bit...

 

Teams are going to be sitting there looking at amazing prospects at other positions. Do they take the 3rd or 4th best QB or a potential pro bowl caliber DE or G, or CB or S?

 

 

That's possible, but it only helps us if we are in on one of the fellas that is dropping.

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 3/26/2018 at 10:00 AM, smuvtalker said:

Hey, I respect everyone's opinion on here. I have to say I don't think for a nanosecond that if Rosen is still available at 12 that the Bills will pick Rudolph over him. They will full-on sprint to hand in their card, open SEVERAL bottles of champagne, McDermott clap his hands numb, and then try their best to hide their massive erections over the fact they got at 12 for what most would agree they could've easily coughed up both 1's, a 2, a 3 and even next year's 1st.   Then, with the realization that they still have another 1st rounder, 2 2's, 2 3's, at least one member of the organization will spontaneously combust.  I will have died seconds after I hear, "With the 12th pick in the NFL draft, the Buffalo Bills select.....Josh Rosen, quarterback, University of California Los Angeles."

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Buffalo-Bills-draft-EJ-Manuel-No-16-in-the-2013-NFL-Draft/16d70834-206a-42f7-ad4a-0a482556ea32

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Well it’s rumored that Cleveland will take him with the 1st pick in the daft. That was what I thought would happen. What I’m hoping for or would like to see happen is the Bills get one of these 4 QB’s. 

So what I think will happen and what I want to see are 2 different things. I’m ok to still post royal cheese ? , Do I have your permission. 

 

Allen 

Mayfield 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

 

No...you said it was sealed.  When it's sealed, it's done.  Both this thread and the last one are what you will think will happen.

You shouldn't continue to post if you continue to lie.

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

"feelings of culture".  I never used that language at all.  Beane and McD always use the language of culture though and they are pretty clear on what it means, to them.  It's not about what they feel or I feel, they've pretty much laid out what they are talking about.  Again, I will say I'm not suggesting that they should take Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield.  What I am saying though is I would not be surprised to see Rosen and Mayfield slip and that they will try their best to land Darnold or Allen first and if they can't, they may leave QB alone until round 2 and take Rudolph if he's there.

 

All I'm saying is as we've gotten closer to the draft, I think the picture on what they are looking for is clearer.  I think their goal is to land Darnold or Allen and if they can't they are not going to take Mayfield or Rosen if those interviews did not indicate these guys fit what they are looking for both in a football player and as a guy that represents what they are building.

 

Twice earlier you said he fits their culture.

Sorry I used the word "feelings"

Again, is Rosen or Mayfield are available at #12 they aren't going to pass for a  guy with clearly inferior talent like Rudolph.

It's just not going to happen.

As I said, they might decide to keep the picks and roll the dice with whoever falls to them, but it won't be any of the top4 at #12.

If they do that, they basically tied their hands to take Rudolph or Jackson at #12 because another team will reach and take him before #22 due to the importance of the position.

[17 Josh Allen]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No...you said it was sealed.  When it's sealed, it's done.  Both this thread and the last one are what you will think will happen.

You shouldn't continue to post if you continue to lie.

Yes it’s sealed I was thinking that is what will happen he will go number 1 to the browns. 

Coukd I be wrong sure I can. What I want to happen is Allen to the Bills at 6 with a trade up with the colts. So who cares,  I did not know your the collector of all things that are sealed. 

[NewEraBills]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

True or not, that's a plausible take.  I hope they are able to move up, because settling for a Day 2 guy is not very appealing.

 

I agree with you.  I hope like hell Darnold or Allen can be selected, preferably Darnold.  I don't want a day two guy.  It just oozes failure LOL.  But I honestly think when it comes to QBs Darnold and Allen are the guys not just football-wise but overall guys that Beane and McD look at and without hesitation say Hell yeah, get this guy on my team.  The other two in the top 4, I think they look at and say I like them on the football field, but I have a lot of questions about other things.  I think they look at Rudolph and say, I have some questions about his football acumen, but no questions at all about him otherwise.

3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Twice earlier you said he fits their culture.

Sorry I used the word "feelings"

Again, is Rosen or Mayfield are available at #12 they aren't going to pass for a  guy with clearly inferior talent like Rudolph.

It's just not going to happen.

As I said, they might decide to keep the picks and roll the dice with whoever falls to them, but it won't be any of the top4 at #12.

If they do that, they basically tied their hands to take Rudolph or Jackson at #12 because another team will reach and take him before #22 due to the importance of the position.

 

I think my language may not have been clear.  As I did clear up in another post, I'm not saying they would take Rudolph at 12.  I'm saying they'll stick to BPA not named Rosen or Darnold at 12 and take Rudolph later.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Yes it’s sealed I was thinking that is what will happen he will go number 1 to the browns. 

Coukd I be wrong sure I can. What I want to happen is Allen to the Bills at 6 with a trade up with the colts. So who cares,  I did not know your the collector of all things that are sealed. 

 

How are you not getting this?

You specifically stated in the Allen thread it's sealed, he will go #1.  That's a prediction.  

Then just above, you think Darnold goes #1.  That's a prediction.

This is so simple.

[17 Josh Allen]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Twice earlier you said he fits their culture.

Sorry I used the word "feelings"

Again, is Rosen or Mayfield are available at #12 they aren't going to pass for a  guy with clearly inferior talent like Rudolph.

It's just not going to happen.

As I said, they might decide to keep the picks and roll the dice with whoever falls to them, but it won't be any of the top4 at #12.

If they do that, they basically tied their hands to take Rudolph or Jackson at #12 because another team will reach and take him before #22 due to the importance of the position.

If the Bills target is Darnold then Rudolph and they lose out in Darnold they will stay at 12 and take Rudolph. The Bills will then use the rest of there picks. I think and have a feeling the Bills covet Darnold, Allen and Rudolph in that order. So will see, it’s just my opinion from what I hear from our GM and coach in the media. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, NewEraBills said:

 

I agree with you.  I hope like hell Darnold or Allen can be selected, preferably Darnold.  I don't want a day two guy.  It just oozes failure LOL.  But I honestly think when it comes to QBs Darnold and Allen are the guys not just football-wise but overall guys that Beane and McD look at and without hesitation say Hell yeah, get this guy on my team.  The other two in the top 4, I think they look at and say I like them on the football field, but I have a lot of questions about other things.  I think they look at Rudolph and say, I have some questions about his football acumen, but no questions at all about him otherwise.

I'm inclined to agree with your surmise.  I would pass on Rudolph before round 2.  As I've said elsewhere, might as well wait and take a flier on White or Lauletta, but that's a failed draft given their aspirations for a potential franchise qb.  I also prefer Darnold because I think there is less risk there and a high ceiling, though Allen will be the best if he realizes his ceiling.

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 4/1/2018 at 5:47 PM, Thurmanator 12074 said:

26cornerblitz I really don’t think so, the more I look at Rudolph the more I like about him. He has everything, Size, weight, good arm, almost 70 percent completion percentage. He was a 4 year starter,  he’s mobile, he moves around in the pocket well. He is a very good leader and fits into Beans QB mold. I think you should get used to the idea of the Bills drafting him. I’m sold on the guy. I was very hard on Rosen in other draft threads. I’ve come around on him too. I would be happy with him too. I just don’t think we will get him. This draft comes down to what the NYG do at 2. If they draft Barkley or Chubb then game on. If Barkley goes #2 to the New York Giants then I could see the bills trading with Cleveland at number four. I could also see Denver taking a QB but if they pass on a QB then there woukd be only 2 QB’s drafted so far. So either way only 2 or 3 QB’s would be off the board. So that means bills could trade into 6-10 and get a Mayfield or Rosen or Allen. But I really think Rudolph has really been short changed here. He is so good and has the complete package. I for one am so excited that we at least moved to 12. So at the very minimum we could at least get Rudolph. So lots to be excited about. There is just something that tells me Rudolph is the guy I think that is going to do really well. I also feel that way about Allen. Man I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. 

 

all good points

[17 Josh Allen]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How are you not getting this?

You specifically stated in the Allen thread it's sealed, he will go #1.  That's a prediction.  

Then just above, you think Darnold goes #1.  That's a prediction.

This is so simple.

I think Cleveland is having a hard time deciding if it’s Allen or Darnold. I’m hoping it’s Darnold so we can get Allen. But I’ve said in the past I thought Allen would go number 1. So will see things change as more info comes out and things like that. I’m pretty sure you know where I stand. 

 

I don’t like Rosen at all, I would prefer the Bills 

get 1 of these QB’s in this order this is my 

order not the Bills 

 

Allen 

Mayfield 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

 

I said I think the bills order is this 

 

Darnold 

Allen 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

[SouthNYfan]

4 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

I agree with you.  I hope like hell Darnold or Allen can be selected, preferably Darnold.  I don't want a day two guy.  It just oozes failure LOL.  But I honestly think when it comes to QBs Darnold and Allen are the guys not just football-wise but overall guys that Beane and McD look at and without hesitation say Hell yeah, get this guy on my team.  The other two in the top 4, I think they look at and say I like them on the football field, but I have a lot of questions about other things.  I think they look at Rudolph and say, I have some questions about his football acumen, but no questions at all about him otherwise.

 

I think my language may not have been clear.  As I did clear up in another post, I'm not saying they would take Rudolph at 12.  I'm saying they'll stick to BPA not named Rosen or Darnold at 12 and take Rudolph later.

 

I understand what you're saying.

The point is that Rudolph almost certainly won't be available at #22, so they would have to take him at #12

The other issue is "BPA" is Rosen or Mayfield at #12 due to positional value.

An 8/10 QB is more valuable than a 10/10 cb for example.

 

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If the Bills target is Darnold then Rudolph and they lose out in Darnold they will stay at 12 and take Rudolph. The Bills will then use the rest of there picks. I think and have a feeling the Bills covet Darnold, Allen and Rudolph in that order. So will see, it’s just my opinion from what I hear from our GM and coach in the media. 

 

They don't "covet" Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield.

No GM in the NFL does.

It's whether they want to pay the price to get one of the big 4.

 

If Rosen or Mayfield slide to #12 there is no way in hell they pass on either one there, unless something major happens between now and the draft (like one of them killing somebody or getting injuredb in a big way)

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

I think Cleveland is having a hard time deciding if it’s Allen or Darnold. I’m hoping it’s Darnold so we can get Allen. But I’ve said in the past I thought Allen would go number 1. So will see things change as more info comes out and things like that. I’m pretty sure you know where I stand. 

 

I don’t like Rosen at all, I would prefer the Bills 

get 1 of these QB’s in this order this is my 

order not the Bills 

 

Allen 

Mayfield 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

 

I said I think the bills order is this 

 

Darnold 

Allen 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

 

Yes we know.  You tell us every time you can.

It's only because of his politics.

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

I think Cleveland is having a hard time deciding if it’s Allen or Darnold. I’m hoping it’s Darnold so we can get Allen. But I’ve said in the past I thought Allen would go number 1. So will see things change as more info comes out and things like that. I’m pretty sure you know where I stand. 

 

I don’t like Rosen at all, I would prefer the Bills 

get 1 of these QB’s in this order this is my 

order not the Bills 

 

Allen 

Mayfield 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

 

I said I think the bills order is this 

 

Darnold 

Allen 

Rudolph 

Jackson. 

 

You don't like Rosen?

No way.

Who knew??

 

 

[DC Tom]

8 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If the Bills target is Darnold then Rudolph and they lose out in Darnold they will stay at 12 and take Rudolph. The Bills will then use the rest of there picks. I think and have a feeling the Bills covet Darnold, Allen and Rudolph in that order. So will see, it’s just my opinion from what I hear from our GM and coach in the media. 

 

Why do you think the Bills don't want Rosen.

 

We know why YOU don't want Rosen.  Why don't the Bills?

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 4/1/2018 at 11:31 PM, GreggTX said:

Why waste a 1st round pick on Rudolph? That makes no sense at all. We can probably get him with the 65th or 66th pick or maybe just a bit higher. I hope Beane isn't that foolish.

Several {Patriot sites say the the Pats will take him in the first round.

 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

If Rosen or Mayfield slide to #12 there is no way in hell they pass on either one there, unless something major happens between now and the draft (like one of them killing somebody or getting injuredb in a big way)

If one of the big 4 slides to 12, they would be foolish not to take them imo, but then again, I don't have the research they do, so I am not as cognizant of off-field issues that may play into their thinking.

[17 Josh Allen]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes we know.  You tell us every time you can.

It's only because of his politics.

Well not really but you can keep running with that. 

I don’t like my QB’s being Social Justice Warriors 

and dividing the locker room. So to me he does not fit into the process. It’s my opinion I know you don’t agree with it and that’s ok.   

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You don't like Rosen?

No way.

Who knew??

 

 

 

Remember how he keeps arguing he's not political?