Reed83HOF Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Tanking has no track record of working in the NFL. There are huge differences between football and hockey , which could be one reason. If tanking were so effective the Browns should have a mantle full of Lombardis by now. And by all means are in a much better position than us right now and in the foreseeable future. Also see Luck, Andrew; in regards to a team tanking for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, K-9 said: Edited March 25, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, BuffaloRush said: He did pass on Andy Dalton. Say what you will about Dalton, but he would have been a much better choice than any of the QB’s playing QB for the Bills since then Dalton was not drafted in the first round , though. No team thought him worthy of a first round pick. I think the Bills QB problem has many causes, but one of them is simply not drafting enough players at the position. Not as much about which round they spent the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: And by all means are in a much better position than us right now and in the foreseeable future. Also see Luck, Andrew; in regards to a team tanking for a QB. People have been saying that the last 4 times (yes 4) they have had double 1st rounders and a bunch of other picks. Potential is all they have until they hit on some of their picks. 11 1st round picks in 6 years. 7 aren't on the team anymore and 3 were drafted last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, auburnbillsbacker said: We have only had a top 3 pick once since 1986. We are bad at being bad. ...sometimes I think we are not working on it hard enough! I get the frustration with previous regimes. I prefer the current FO to what we’ve had in the past. Time will tell if that is warranted or not. I only want to go all in on a guy they really believe in, not “pull an EJ” because we had to take a QB before we left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: So you think Bill Belichick has the same 7 out of 10 chance as Doug Whaley? That 7 out of 10 is the average, it does not define the odds. Is it worth moving up? If they think they know who they want then absolutely 100% yes. They need to be able to pick the right QB, that is their job. If they cannot do that, then they will end up with a mediocre team like Whaley did. Well...no, primarily because Belichick is able to identify talent, which is why he can pick Tom Brady in the sixth round, which is why he doesn't NEED to reach for a top-10 pick to get a QB. If you can judge and develop talent, you don't need to move up. If you can't, moving up isn't going to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 But but but frencheyes guys come on! Trade everything for a frencheyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Well...no, primarily because Belichick is able to identify talent, which is why he can pick Tom Brady in the sixth round, which is why he doesn't NEED to reach for a top-10 pick to get a QB. If you can judge and develop talent, you don't need to move up. If you can't, moving up isn't going to fix that. He and the Patriots simply got lucky. Not so much when they drafted Ryan Mallett. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: Well...no, primarily because Belichick is able to identify talent, which is why he can pick Tom Brady in the sixth round, which is why he doesn't NEED to reach for a top-10 pick to get a QB. If you can judge and develop talent, you don't need to move up. If you can't, moving up isn't going to fix that. What if Beane judges and identifies that Rosen (fill in any of the top 4) has that talent? Can he move up then? Why does it have to be move back for talent that everybody else missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: And by all means are in a much better position than us right now and in the foreseeable future. Also see Luck, Andrew; in regards to a team tanking for a QB. Ha ha , believe that the 2011 Colts " tanked" if you want to. They had a terrible QB, lost a couple close games that would have changed the draft order. The Colts won 2 games, but so did the Rams. The Vikings won 3. Were all these teams " tanking"? Some fans holding up " suck for Luck" signs doesn't equate to a tank. It's a hockey concept that has no basis in reality in the NFL. The Browns may be in a better position than the Bills. They've won 1 game in two years and have gone through a slew of QBs since the 99 season. They've been terrible for years and have nothing yet to show for it. Perhaps Dorsey can turn them around. He arrived with things set up nicely for him due to incompetence, not some brilliant strategy on the part of CLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Well...no, primarily because Belichick is able to identify talent, which is why he can pick Tom Brady in the sixth round, which is why he doesn't NEED to reach for a top-10 pick to get a QB. If you can judge and develop talent, you don't need to move up. If you can't, moving up isn't going to fix that. That was wise of him to pass for 5 rounds so he could pick up more important players! A true master! He does get credit for getting him.....eventually. Or...did he just win the lottery? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I put together a post to demonstrate that there's roughly a 3 in 10 success rate of picking a QB in the top ten. I was talking about football. You chose not to, and instead whined about me insulting you. So I insulted you. You got the discussion you started. The issue with the data is that the picks aren't weighted by the quality of the players in each draft class. A 1st round pick in one year is probably a 4th round pick in another year (yes, I'm looking at you EJ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Dalton was not drafted in the first round , though. No team thought him worthy of a first round pick. I think the Bills QB problem has many causes, but one of them is simply not drafting enough players at the position. Not as much about which round they spent the pick. I agree. If you look at the projections that year, I think some teams did have a first round grade on Dalton. He just fell to the second 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 They should take a guy top ten if they are in the top ten and IF a guy merits that level. Picking a QB high just to do so would be inane. Thry will do all the analysis possible. If that leads them to believe they need to move up to get a guy I think Beane will do so. But he is also smart enough to not reach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said: What is interesting is that the Ravens have been competitive nearly the entirety of their franchise history. The Vikings have definitely been competitive the last three years. SO if the Ravens have been extremely competitive, in a tough division, and the Vikings have won the last three years ... doesn't that go to show you that it isn't an impossible path, but becomes so when you can't evaluate talent generally? You know what? If the Browns really f up and taken Allen or Barkley or Chubb or whatever at #1, and the Giants make it possible to get the best QB prospect in the last five years (Baker Mayfield), maybe you are right. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-baker-mayfields-tape-numbers-say-he-should-be-no-1-overall-pick What people miss is you have to be really bad to get to top 5 picks and it needs to time with the top QB in the draft. If the draft is good for QB the price is EXTREMELY high to trade up. You also get "BILLS" fans that go from you not trading up to your not drafting a QB to fix this team. I say Bull to that because we have 9 picks, 6 in the top 96 and we could get Rudulph, Falk, Luletta and still land a Speedy WR, Evans MLB, Price G/C or whoever else we have targeted. The more choices you have the better chance you may have to land a QB. Now if you want to suck like Cleveland has for 4-5 years then maybe one day you get a chance to land a Darnold. He is the only true starter and I bet he sits 1 year behind Taylor while team learns to win again. Edited March 25, 2018 by USABuffaloFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Who did we pass over for Dareus? THAT might have been worth a shot. UGH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: Who did we pass over for Dareus? THAT might have been worth a shot. UGH! Andy Dalton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He and the Patriots simply got lucky. Not so much when they drafted Ryan Mallett. 4 minutes ago, Augie said: That was wise of him to pass for 5 rounds so he could pick up more important players! A true master! He does get credit for getting him.....eventually. Or...did he just win the lottery? I always thought it was lucky too. I went to look at the 2000 draft and which team picked a QB before NE chose Tom Brady. Result: Cleveland Browns (2000 record 3-13) chose Spergon Wynn. If Tom Brady was chosen by Cleveland instead.................. Results: Tom Brady leads the Cleveland Browns to a dynasty or Tom Brady is a footnote in NFL History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Who did we pass over for Dareus? THAT might have been worth a shot. UGH! AJ Green P Peterson and Julio Jones for starters lol At QB only Locker went in round one after Cam went 1st Edited March 25, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: He did pass on Andy Dalton. Say what you will about Dalton, but he would have been a much better choice than any of the QB’s playing QB for the Bills since then So you think he should have taken Dalton at 9? Is that your argument? Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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