just take jackson and keep picks

[CuddyDark]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

By "all the tools" you mean one tool - a strong arm. You can't name a single QB that was drafted on arm talent alone and made a career out of it. It never happens. I think Cam Newton has come closer than anyone and he had exactly one great season, and he's never fixed his accuracy problems.

 

I think if Mahomes and Allen both bust that could be the end of that style of QB getting drafted high. The NFL has to learn eventually, right?

Nope. The idea of getting Favre or Dan Marino is just too strong.

Edited March 18, 2018 by CuddyDark

[sven233]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

They dumped TT they will not sign a clone.    

Laziest comparison I have ever seen.  Just terrible.

 

Look, Jackson may not be a top prospect or turn into anyhting special in the NFL, but to compare him to Taylor because he is black and can run is lazy.  The guy has more pocket presence, vision, arm talent, and throwing ability than Taylor could ever dream of having.  On top of that, as good of an athlete is Taylor is, Jackson is even a better athlete as well.

 

I am not sure if Jackson will ever be good in the NFL, but to compare him to Taylor is awful.  Taylor, as a passer, is one of the worst pure passers in the history of the league.

Edited March 18, 2018 by sven233

[Bills Freak]

40 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

Something like this will have us as a solid NFL Football team going forward. Any of the top 5 QB’s this year can end up being a franchise guy or a bust. Why mortgage the whole draft fo a 20% shot of hitting the mark.

Pisses me off to no end when I hear this . Would love to build w/ our picks & take Lamar J

[Fetou]

5 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Laziest comparison I have ever seen.  Just terrible.

 

Look, Jackson may not be a top prospect or turn into anyhting special in the NFL, but to compare him to Taylor because he is black and can run is lazy.  The guy has more pocket presence, vision, arm talent, and throwing ability than Taylor could ever dram of having.  On top of that, as good of an athlete is Taylor is, Jackson is even a better athlete as well.

 

I am not sure if Jackson will ever be good in the NFL, but to compare him to Taylor is awful.  Taylor, as a passer, is one of the worst pure passers in the history of the league.

Let's not forget the nearly 3" difference in height either. There is a reason Taylor always left the pocket or held on for dear life.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

By "all the tools" you mean one tool - a strong arm. You can't name a single QB that was drafted on arm talent alone and made a career out of it. It never happens. I think Cam Newton has come closer than anyone and he had exactly one great season, and he's never fixed his accuracy problems.

 

I think if Mahomes and Allen both bust that could be the end of that style of QB getting drafted high. The NFL has to learn eventually, right?

I would say Jeff George and Jay Cutler made a career out of arm strength alone. Not even accuracy. They just kept getting benifit of the doubt and chances because of arm strength. Dispite being terrible and have nothing else going for them, they still got chances.

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Stafford?

 

Stafford's scouting reports didn't question his accuracy.

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matthew-stafford?id=79860

 

I'm not talking about completion percentage, I don't care about that. I'm talking about ball placement and touch. Teams convince themselves every year they'll take a strong arm with poor mechanics and ball placement and mold it into an NFL QB. It hasn't happened yet, certainly not in this millennium. Josh Allen is just Christian Hackenberg with an even stronger arm and bigger body which is why he's considered a top 10 QB instead of a 2nd round project.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Stafford's scouting reports didn't question his accuracy.

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matthew-stafford?id=79860

 

I'm not talking about completion percentage, I don't care about that. I'm talking about ball placement and touch. Teams convince themselves every year they'll take a strong arm with poor mechanics and ball placement and mold it into an NFL QB. It hasn't happened yet, certainly not in this millennium. Josh Allen is just Christian Hackenberg with an even stronger arm and bigger body which is why he's considered a top 10 QB instead of a 2nd round project.

 'Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch.'

 

That was from the scouting report you linked: it literally questions his accuracy, ball placement, and mechanics. 

[HappyDays]

21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 'Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch.'

 

That was from the scouting report you linked: it literally questions his accuracy, ball placement, and mechanics. 

 

They say his mechanics can get sloppy. And question his accuracy on a specific route. In fact it says right there that he generally places the ball well in tight windows. That's listed as a weakness! Now look at his strengths:

 

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Blessed with a stronger and more accurate arm than many current NFL quarterbacks... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it

 

Compare with Josh Allen's scouting report:

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-allen?id=2560029

 

Strengths on accuracy and mechanics:

 

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Attacks intermediate windows with pretty good precision when allowed to sit down in the pocket.

 

Weaknesses:

 

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Never had completion rate higher than 56 percent in either season as a starter. Accuracy diminishes greatly when he's forced to move his feet... Fastball pitcher whose touch could use improvement short. Will baby the deep throws at times... Would benefit by trading some velocity for better timing. Anticipatory throws don't seem to come naturally. Doesn't keep feet "throw-ready" when sliding in pocket. Frequently defaults to off-platform throws when there is time to set feet and deliver.

 

His other strengths are literally just "strong arm" phrased 10 different ways. His other weaknesses also touch on his mental game. And yes this is the same scouting report we read for Kyle Boller, EJ Manuel, Paxton Lynch, etc. Allen has the strongest arm of them all which means he'll get drafted even higher, and probably get more chances to start, but I can almost guarantee his career will ultimately end the same way.

Edited March 18, 2018 by HappyDays

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They say his mechanics can get sloppy. And question his accuracy on a specific route. In fact it says right there that he generally places the ball well in tight windows. That's listed as a weakness! Now look at his strengths:

 

 

Compare with Josh Allen's scouting report:

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-allen?id=2560029

 

Strengths on accuracy and mechanics:

 

 

Weaknesses:

 

 

His other strengths are literally just "strong arm" phrased 10 different ways. His other weaknesses also touch on his mental game. And yes this is the same scouting report we read for Kyle Boller, EJ Manuel, Paxton Lynch, etc. Allen has the strongest arm of them all which means he'll get drafted even higher, and probably get more chances to start, but I can almost guarantee his career will ultimately end the same way.

They read the same to me. Most of Stafford's strengths you quoted also have to do with his arm. I'm not saying they're going to be the same player, but they were similar enough coming out of college. The narrative is overblown at this point, I'll be glad if the Bills take him.

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, sven233 said:

The guy has more pocket presence, vision, arm talent, and throwing ability than Taylor could ever dram of having.  On top of that, as good of an athlete is Taylor is, Jackson is even a better athlete as well.

 

I've heard this argument a million times on this board . We'll see how all of those traits you listed transfer to the NFL. 

 

Lamar's stats were downright awful against the SEC. 

Edited March 18, 2018 by Chicken Boo

[Real McClappy]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I've hear this on this board a million times.

 

We'll see how all of those traits you listed transfer to the NFL. 

 

Lamar's stats were downright awful against the SEC. 

Did you happen to see who his RB's, TE's and WR's were for the Cardinals?  Jaylen Smith might get drafted as he was decent and has good size. I was not pretty.

[Chicken Boo]

8 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Did you happen to see who his RB's, TE's and WR's were for the Cardinals?  Jaylen Smith might get drafted as he was decent and has good size. I was not pretty.

 

I had this debate earlier in the day.  Roster excuses don't work for Allen.  They're not working for Lamar either.

 

A 49% completion percentage is a 49% completion percentage.

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I had this debate earlier in the day.  Roster excuses don't work for Allen.  They're not working for Lamar either.

 

A 49% completion percentage is a 49% completion percentage.

 

We don’t need another project qb.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I think Lamar Jackson is like the 7 or 8 QB on The Bean Borard, I see the Jets taking him with the 3rd pick and looking like fools.

[billsfan_34]

4 hours ago, bufrock j said:

new OC runs the system he ran in college, could end up being best of bunch and keeping all those picks could fill out a roster with alot of holes.  maybe even trade back one pick and shoot for extra RD1 next year

I would be ok with that but if Mayfield is there at 12....

4 hours ago, McBean said:

I’d rather have Nate Peterman under center than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.

Totally ridiculous- prepare to eat come good ole crow

[jkx2]

The guy had the weakest arm at the combine. We don't need another run around noodle armed quarterback.

[HumbleAndHungry]

That's why I think it's great that beane signed McCarron to a cap friendly two year deal. Best case scenario we draft a rookie they can sit a year and Mccarron plays above average this year.  Then we can flip Mccarron for a high draft pick and start our rookie the second year

Edited March 18, 2018 by Finkle Is Einhorn

[Buff76ers]

Honestly, I think keeping all the picks and even trading back if called on wouldn’t be the worst thing.  We have lots of needs, and we have the picks to get it done.  If we pass on a QB in round one, and grab one in the 2nd or 3rd, there will be less negitivity  if it’s a miss rather than a miss in the 1st.  If Seattle can get lucky with Wilson in the 3rd so can we.  Maybe, just maybe AJ is better than most think, and can be the QB we need for 2-5 years.  

[bufrock j]

3 hours ago, Buff76ers said:

Honestly, I think keeping all the picks and even trading back if called on wouldn’t be the worst thing.  We have lots of needs, and we have the picks to get it done.  If we pass on a QB in round one, and grab one in the 2nd or 3rd, there will be less negitivity  if it’s a miss rather than a miss in the 1st.  If Seattle can get lucky with Wilson in the 3rd so can we.  Maybe, just maybe AJ is better than most think, and can be the QB we need for 2-5 years.  

this plus jackson with 12 instead of wilson in third round [good luck ]is a win win

[Buffalo Barbarian]

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