26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Not quite. They've publicly said it would take a 1st and 4th to move Foles. White was a 1st rounder. The Bills countered with a 2nd. If they offer a 1st this year and a 4th next year, a deal could very well get done. He's not worth that and they would have to pay him big money to keep him around beyond 2018. Besides that they already signed McCarron and are looking to drfaft a QB. Edited March 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: He's not worth that and they would have to pay him big money to keep him around beyond 2018. Who is to say he's not worth that, but an unproven rookie is worth at least the 12th and 22nd picks? And if he proves to be worth keeping, he's worth paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Who is to say he's not worth that, but an unproven rookie is worth at least the 12th and 22nd picks? And if he proves to be worth keeping, he's worth paying. They could have already done this if they felt he was worth it just as all of the other teams who inquired about him could have. Yet no one met that price and instead went the UFA route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 would be a major mistake...paying Nick Foles 20+ million after this year when you could have a rookie on the rokoie wage scale for 4 years and a relatively cheap option for year 5 if he deserves it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Mango said: I am sorry, but if the Bills trade Darby, Glenn, Hughes, and TT (although I’m not a fan) and don’t come out of this draft with a top tier QB, I’m lighting my torch and getting my pitchfork. You CANNOT trade all your assets to grab Nick effing Foles for a first and change. Beane is either the smartest GM at the table, or he’s trying to run a team like Madden. I know there are tons on this board who are big fans of Beane, but he has a ton to prove. The FO was mediocre at pro personnel this year, and he’s drafted nobody. That isn’t meant to condemn him, but I think it’s fair for most to sit on the fence. Thats why the Bills FO have really forced themselves into trading up, regardless of cost. I dont want to overpay as much as the next guy, but you can’t trade your assets for more picks, on a QB-less team. Otherwise you make the team worse in order to “maybe” be better in 3 years. I guess you didn’t hear the HC when he said “ we’re not trying to accumulate talent we’re trying to build a TEAM “ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Maybe you're right. McD has guaranteed money. But I just don't think they want him as their starter. I think he's too flawed. Care to elaborate on why you think McCarron is flawed. How do you finish college with 77 TD's/ 15 Int's a 162.5 QB rating and 2 National Championships and only a small handful of NFL games under your belt become flawed? If you had Nick Saban on the stand and asked him why A J was flawed they would probably have to remove coach Saban from the courtroom from laughing hysterically. Yet to prove himself at the NFL level perhaps , but flawed? Awwww come on man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They could have already done this if they felt he was worth it just as all of the other teams who inquired about him could have. Yet no one met that price and instead went the UFA route. There is no need to rush into a deal with the draft still 6 weeks from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Doc said: There is no need to rush into a deal with the draft still 6 weeks from now. There's no need to do it at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Figster said: Care to elaborate on why you think McCarron is flawed. How do you finish college with 77 TD's/ 15 Int's a 162.5 QB rating and 2 National Championships and only a small handful of NFL games under your belt become flawed? If you had Nick Saban on the stand and asked him why A J was flawed they would probably have to remove coach Saban from the courtroom from laughing hysterically. Yet to prove himself at the NFL level perhaps , but flawed? Awwww come on man! he's not Kirk Cousins so...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: There's no need to do it at all. This ... I think AJ is gonna surprise a few folks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: would be a major mistake...paying Nick Foles 20+ million after this year when you could have a rookie on the rokoie wage scale for 4 years and a relatively cheap option for year 5 if he deserves it... And if you trade tons of assets and the player busts? At least you know Foles can play in the league. If he proves to be worth 20+ million, so be it. The rookie will get that after 3 seasons anyway, so you'd only be saving 2 seasons. And the Bills have the cap room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I wouldn't call the Eagles until we have used both first round picks. We shouldn't give up a first for Foles. I also see this as less likely since we have AJ now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, racketmaster said: I agree that Foles is a more likely option for Bills now. If they don’t feel comfortable with the other options beyond the top 4, foles might be in play. Mccaron is not a long term option. Foles will require a first and a fourth AT MINIMUM according to the eagles. He's on a team friendly contract, obviously can play well in their system, and they aren't positive about Wentz return date, which gives them even more time to let him get back to 100% with foles on the roster. Everybody seems to think that the eagles are desperate to trade him. They aren't. He's not a "more likely option" Foles is not a "long term option" either. Why can't people grasp this concept. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Good analysis. It simply does not add up not to mention factoring in the Eagles perspective that makes him highly valuable to them. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I wouldn't call the Eagles until we have used both first round picks. We shouldn't give up a first for Foles. I also see this as less likely since we have AJ now. AJM got a 2-year deal for $5M/year. That's backup money/length. He doesn't factor into anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Maybe we become a team that just missing that QB this year with subpar QB play from aj or Peterman and use all the picks to build up the team. Next year Foles is released and if the Bills want him then they can get him. I don't see it happening this year with the cap. I could be wrong, Foles is a SBMVP who beat the pats. To me that means a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Foles will require a first and a fourth AT MINIMUM according to the eagles. He's on a team friendly contract, obviously can play well in their system, and they aren't positive about Wentz return date, which gives them even more time to let him get back to 100% with foles on the roster. Everybody seems to think that the eagles are desperate to trade him. They aren't. He's not a "more likely option" Foles is not a "long term option" either. Why can't people grasp this concept. Agreed. The timing of the trade may change the value a bit. Eagles will likely hang onto Foles until early summer to judge progress of Wentz. If wentz looks good to start the year, Eagles could look to get value for Foles at that point since he can walk away from team in 2019. Most teams will have drafted qbs and/or signed free agents. There may be very few qb suitors at this point so the value one would have to pay may be less. I dont think Foles was Bills first choice but if they get shut out from top qbs they like in draft, Foles could become a more likely option. Just depends on the value Bills have on Foles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, racketmaster said: The timing of the trade may change the value a bit. Eagles will likely hang onto Foles until early summer to judge progress of Wentz. If wentz looks good to start the year, Eagles could look to get value for Foles at that point since he can walk away from team in 2019. Most teams will have drafted qbs and/or signed free agents. There may be very few qb suitors at this point so the value one would have to pay may be less. I dont think Foles was Bills first choice but if they get shut out from top qbs they like in draft, Foles could become a more likely option. Just depends on the value Bills have on Foles. They said they have no problem sitting on him. This hasn't changed yet. If anything it's more likely now they will keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 30 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Foles will require a first and a fourth AT MINIMUM according to the eagles. He's on a team friendly contract, obviously can play well in their system, and they aren't positive about Wentz return date, which gives them even more time to let him get back to 100% with foles on the roster. Everybody seems to think that the eagles are desperate to trade him. They aren't. He's not a "more likely option" Foles is not a "long term option" either. Why can't people grasp this concept. my thoughts on this are thus... Foles will never have a higher trade value for the Eagles than he currently does. addiotionally, if the Eagles do not trade him they will get nothing for him as he is a free agent after his contract expires this year. the Eagles also have spoken highly of Sudfield so it might just make sense for them to get something of value for Foles rather than nothing. i think the Eagles are playing the game, they know that the possibility of a Bradford/Vikings situation might arrise again and they could get their asking price. they could also accept a 3rd for him. i am not advocating one way or the other for the acquition of Foles, just merely trying to look objectively at the realities of the situation. it will be interesting to watch what happens with Foles, i do think he is with another team opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Doc said: And if you trade tons of assets and the player busts? At least you know Foles can play in the league. If he proves to be worth 20+ million, so be it. The rookie will get that after 3 seasons anyway, so you'd only be saving 2 seasons. And the Bills have the cap room. I would say the jury is still out regarding if Foles can play in this league consistently. Hes had 2 good games in 3 years. (very good games)Those 2 games just happened to be the most crucial ones of course lol Edited March 18, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I can see it playing out that way. The first round ticking down, nobody good enough was there at 12, Beane starts to squirm. The Eagles got no picks and there is a guy they want there at 22, they start to squirm because they have only the 32nd pick in the first, and NOTHING in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. So Beane trades then our 22 and a 2nd round pick for their 32 and Foles. And both sides can claim that they did well. But, why wouldn't the Bills just wait til next year and pay Foles? Especially once the Superbowl win is a year in the rear view mirror Foles price might come down a little. Im not so sure AJ is inadequate and I am pretty sure he will be a crowd pleaser at least that the start because he throws eh football. And if he dies behind our line, then he dies. But if we traded for Foles and he gets killed out there people will be mad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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