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1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

I don't buy that theory 100 percent.

 

I understand that it is for sure a bit of a factor, but at the end of the day, great receivers produce great numbers.

 

4 years in his career and teams are still paying tons for his potential, not his production

Don't forget that three of his years were in Buffalo. Orton and Taylor as his QB. No, he isn't being rewarded for past production with this contract. But teams can see the role he was playing in the McVay offense, and how frequently Goff threw the underneath routes. 

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1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

Sammy got more than Davante with worse production.

 

That's not correct, as I pointed out to you in the other thread.

 

Just take your loss on this one and move on...clearly, NFL teams value Sammy a LOT more than you thought.

 

We all get it wrong sometimes.

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Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Don't forget that three of his years were in Buffalo. Orton and Taylor as his QB. No, he isn't being rewarded for past production with this contract. But teams can see the role he was playing in the McVay offense, and how frequently Goff threw the underneath routes. 

When someone tells me that he played with bad QBS, I will just use Deandre Hopkins as an example. The guy played/plays with Savage and TJ Yates and still lights it up.

 

Like I said, great receivers have great production and don't have seasons under 600 yards (or whatever it was)

 

If you are that good, you are the focal point of the offence, not the decoy

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5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

125 catches for over 2k yards with 15 TDs in his 1st two seasons in run oriented offenses speaks volumes for what he can do.  The Chiefs were not his only suitor with good reason despite your opinion on him. 

 

This is the NFL "Not For Long".  You get paid based upon your recent performance, not based on what you did 3 seasons ago. 

I'm not surprised that Watkins had multiple suitors, including his last year's team. 

I am surprised he's pulling in the contract he is.

 

He's reportedly gonna be paid like a top-3 WR, and his last 2 years production simply doesn't justify it.  That's not my opinion, that's hard numbers.  You don't pay someone like AJ Green or Jarvis Landry because they're a great decoy.  You pay them because they're a great receiver.

 

Water under the bridge.  Sounds like KC is paying Watkins to be the AJ Green to their Andy Dalton.  I hope it works better for them than it worked for us.

 

 

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Just now, billsfan11 said:

When someone tells me that he played with bad QBS, I will just use Deandre Hopkins as an example. The guy played/plays with Savage and TJ Yates and still lights it up.

 

Like I said, great receivers have great production and don't have seasons under 600 yards (or whatever it was)

 

If you are that good, you are the focal point of the offence, not the decoy

Gets tons of targets. Sammy produced in Buffalo when targeted. It wasn't a long stretch, but the numbers were there. People underestimate how remedial the Bills passing offense has been. A complete joke by NFL standards. SW wasn't a decoy with the Rams he was open... a lot. Goff never developed great touch on the deep ball and took a ton of underneath throws. McVays design was to score points and spread the ball around. Not to build a stat line for Sammy Watkins. Hopkins is an excellent WR, but SW is downplayed in Buffalo, period. 

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18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

He also had the most TDs amongst Rams WRs and a pretty high ypc of 17 or so. If you watched Rams games, you'd see what he was doing in that offense and that he could easily have had bigger stats. Teams aren't looking at what Goff did with Watkins , but at what they could do with their own QB. 

 

Clearly that's what KC is hoping for.

 

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This is exactly why we traded him last year. Some team was always going to overpay. FWIW a lot of Chiefs fans on Twitter hate the deal and are more concerned about their defense.

 

Yes, I didn't like the trade last year but in hindsight Beane was Fox-smart.  And I still say he sheered the Rams,  well....like sheep

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2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Gets tons of targets. Sammy produced in Buffalo when targeted. It wasn't a long stretch, but the numbers were there. People underestimate how remedial the Bills passing offense has been. A complete joke by NFL standards. SW wasn't a decoy with the Rams he was open... a lot. Goff never developed great touch on the deep ball and took a ton of underneath throws. McVays design was to score points and spread the ball around. Not to build a stat line for Sammy Watkins. Hopkins is an excellent WR, but SW is downplayed in Buffalo, period. 

We’ll agree to disagree on this one.

 

If he lights it up with the Chiefs and gets 1200 plus yards with 10 TDS, (the bare minimum for what they are paying for) I will eat crow.

 

But if he doesn’t, I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone anymore lol

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15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's not correct, as I pointed out to you in the other thread.

 

Just take your loss on this one and move on...clearly, NFL teams value Sammy a LOT more than you thought.

 

We all get it wrong sometimes.

I guess so but I don't think he's earned Hopkins money without Hopkins production.

 

KC disagrees. Good luck with that.

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2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

We’ll agree to disagree on this one.

 

If he lights it up with the Chiefs and gets 1200 plus yards with 10 TDS, (the bare minimum for what they are paying for) I will eat crow.

 

But if he doesn’t, I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone anymore lol

I haven't convinced a single Sammy hater yet . You're in one camp or the other. I've never thought NFL types shared those sentiments , though. It's mostly a Buffalo thing. SW seems like a good fit in KC and we know the QB has a big arm. 

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1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He is yes. It's not something that Goff does well.  Watkins can run every route with proficiency, but his deep speed has to be respected. 

 

Sammy's best seasons were with Orton and TT--not guys who threw the long ball....neither of whom could match Goff in that category.

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Just now, Boatdrinks said:

I haven't convinced a single Sammy hater yet . You're in one camp or the other. I've never thought NFL types shared those sentiments , though. It's mostly a Buffalo thing. SW seems like a good fit in KC and we know the QB has a big arm. 

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he sucks.

 

He’s descent.

 

But I don’t Consider him a good/great receiver and it’s pretty hard to argue that he is based on his production from 4 years 

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2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

SW seems like a good fit in KC and we know the QB has a big arm. 

 

They already have Tyreek Hill and they just traded the most accurate deep passer in the NFL. I don't see how Sammy fits there. He's a great deep threat which is not worth $16 million a year. 

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

They already have Tyreek Hill and they just traded the most accurate deep passer in the NFL. I don't see how Sammy fits there. He's a great deep threat which is not worth $16 million a year. 

You can't have too much speed or matchups. I like Alex Smith , but KC was going to move on when they drafted Mahomes.Who knows if he's any good? If the Bills took a QB at 10 last year, I liked Watson. Always thought PM was a boom or bust pick. Anyway, Andy Reid clearly has something in mind for a SW in his offense. 

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32 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said:

This means cooks will hit the market in 19. 

 

Who ?   

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They already have Tyreek Hill and they just traded the most accurate deep passer in the NFL. I don't see how Sammy fits there. He's a great deep threat which is not worth $16 million a year. 

 

Obviously he is.   He got the money.    He’s a very good wideout and the Rams offense was a monster while he was there.  

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10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Who ?   

 

Obviously he is.   He got the money.    He’s a very good wideout and the Rams offense was a monster while he was there.  

He was the 4th most productive receiver on that Rams offence. He was not even close to the main reason why the rams offence was so powerful 

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26 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

We’ll agree to disagree on this one.

 

If he lights it up with the Chiefs and gets 1200 plus yards with 10 TDS, (the bare minimum for what they are paying for) I will eat crow.

 

But if he doesn’t, I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone anymore lol

You’ll still hear. If Hill and Kelce produce at their normal levels,  Sammy will be credited as the reason for their success. 

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