FearLess Price Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: In another thread I compare Taylor and Jackson... eek 3 hours ago, simool said: 1. If you totally disregard the sieve that is the rest of our team. 2. What? This is like saying my kid that won't clean his room just has not worked out for me. I took a shot and it did not work out. Maybe I should go out and impregnate a hooker to see if it can reverse the metaphysical bust that is my child. 3. The only sane thing you said is staying at 21. No way in hell Allen falls this far, but if he does you can damn sure bet on Beane pulling that trigger. 1. Totally. Weve been doing the same thing for 17 years at QB. We need to take a top prospect that isnt a project like cardale jones or NP. 2. You just told me back the same joke with different words. 3. I hope not. Allen sets us back a few years and still might bust out. If Denver signs Cousins i will bet you we trade up in the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 11 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I do not see Petemeister as having much of a ceiling. How do you compare White to Peterman ? I think White should be on their list if the first round does not give them a fair shot at QB. Plenty of immediate starters and likely impact players for us at 21 22. and yes i want Bills to find that QB of the future sooner than later. Because White will be a backup so why bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, simool said: Your grades! 1. If you totally disregard the sieve that is the rest of our team. 2. What? This is like saying my kid that won't clean his room just has not worked out for me. I took a shot and it did not work out. Maybe I should go out and impregnate a hooker to see if it can reverse the metaphysical bust that is my child. 3. The only sane thing you said is staying at 21. No way in hell Allen falls this far, but if he does you can damn sure bet on Beane pulling that trigger. I know it is hard to learn how to scout and what tk look for. Much easier for you to read someone else info and think you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, FearLess Price said: 1. Totally. Weve been doing the same thing for 17 years at QB. We need to take a top prospect that isnt a project like cardale jones or NP. 2. You just told me back the same joke with different words. 3. I hope not. Allen sets us back a few years and still might bust out. If Denver signs Cousins i will bet you we trade up in the 1st. #1: This is totally untrue. What the Bills had been doing since Bill Polian was fired back in the 1990s was putting making profits ahead of winning football games. After a poor start, it seems that the new ownership has committed to bringing winning football back to Buffalo. That means that the Bills aren't looking to "make do" with another cheap QB prospect as they had in the past, but the reality is that since they don't have the #1 pick (and aren't likely to be able to acquire it), they don't have their pick of whatever QB they want. The Bills may only like 1 of the top 4 or 5 QBs well enough to trade up for him, and if he's gone, what would you have them do then? Invest multiple first round picks in a QB that they view as a marginal first round prospect just to have a first round QB on the roster? Or draft a second tier QB prospect in the 2nd or 3rd round to be at least an upgrade over Peterman and maybe more if they get lucky? FTR, Jones and Peterman were Day 3 projects. Nobody is suggesting that. The discussion here has been about Day 2 (rounds 2 and 3) QBs who might make good "backup plans" like Mike White. Second rounders Andy Dalton and Derek Carr and third rounder Russell Wilson were all good enough to start from Day 1 as rookies. #3: I don't follow college football but everything I've read about Allen reminds me of JP Losman. He seems like the kind of marginal first round QB who has "bust" stamped on his forehead, and I'd prefer that the Bills pass on him even if he were available at #21. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Because White will be a backup so why bother SoTier makes my point best ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: SoTier makes my point best ^ The NFL draft is so easy to predict. All the first round picks become elite players, the second round picks become average starters, and the third round picks become back ups. The analysts are always right every year. It is so awesome to be able to predict the future on these guys without watching them play an NFL snap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, billspro said: The NFL draft is so easy to predict. All the first round picks become elite players, the second round picks become average starters, and the third round picks become back ups. The analysts are always right every year. It is so awesome to be able to predict the future on these guys without watching them play an NFL snap. Right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I know it is hard to learn how to scout and what tk look for. Much easier for you to read someone else info and think you know. Riiight. Okay Einstein... Mike White is a 2nd round pick in just about everyone's book. If there were any doubts, his Senior Bowl and Combine performances erased them. If that still is not enough for someone as deluded as you, there is the interview with Mayock where he breaks down the progessions of his favorite play. Mayock was effusive in his praise on the answer. I wonder why someone with the skills you proclaim to have is not in Indianapolis right now working for an NFL team? Here's why---because you only THINK you know what you are doing. You have an inflated self worth, or you just like to talk big on the internet when in reality this is probably a much better indication of what you are actually up to: Edited March 4, 2018 by simool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, simool said: Riiight. Okay Einstein... Mike White is a 2nd round pick in just about everyone's book. If there were any doubts, his Senior Bowl and Combine performances erased them. If that still is not enough for someone as deluded as you, there is the interview with Mayock where he breaks down the progessions of his favorite play. Mayock was effusive in his praise on the answer. I wonder why someone with the skills you proclaim to have is not in Indianapolis right now working for an NFL team? Here's why---because you only THINK you know what you are doing. You have an inflated self worth, or you just like to talk big on the internet when in reality this is probably a much better indication of what you are actually up to: Really, might want to relook those experts. All the projections I have seen on him are a day three pick. Your right I dont work as a scout in the NFL but does that mean I dont know what to look for and or at in positions and then write my Own Grades like the people you so adamantly talk about having him as a 2nd round pick??? Edited March 4, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 18 hours ago, dulles said: If you are grabbing a guy in the top of the second, I'd push hard to get him at 32...There are no 5th year options on 2nd rounders, but if you are getting a QB at 33-36, you might as well spend a little more to get up to 32. great point about the options. I did not know/or totally forgot that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/3/2018 at 7:22 PM, ColoradoBills said: Detective, can you at least see the point I made above? No need to blow a gasket. I'm kind of thinking that's a rhetorical question because based on his responses in other threads the answer seems to be "No. No, he can't see your point actually." At the risk of sounding trite, the QB search like everything else may be a process for us: we may not get the top-flight guy we want, or they may decide the top flight guy is above what they feel they can afford and still put enough pieces around him. Then we need to try to take the most promising guy in the 2nd tier and see how he develops and try to maneuver to be able to take another shot next year etc. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/3/2018 at 8:28 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Bingo......and throw in some skinny kid from ND in the 3rd named Montana for good measure.....McBeane has assembled a pretty high powered staff of NFL personnel execs on Pegula's open checkbook......pretty sure none of them are former TBD posters.................think maybe I'll trust their selections...... This is a very good point...we all reached a point of frustration under the Modrak years because it seemed as though several of the TBD pundits could have out-drafted the Bills. It got better with Whaley, due to churn at the coaching position we're watching our draftees and UDFA thrive around the league on playoff teams and contenders. We've gotten what we called for, finally 'time to clean house', out came the broom last spring. So now I will try to relax and "trust the process" until they prove that I shouldn't 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is a very good point...we all reached a point of frustration under the Modrak years because it seemed as though several of the TBD pundits could have out-drafted the Bills. It got better with Whaley, due to churn at the coaching position we're watching our draftees and UDFA thrive around the league on playoff teams and contenders. We've gotten what we called for, finally 'time to clean house', out came the broom last spring. So now I will try to relax and "trust the process" until they prove that I shouldn't That is what I am doing as well. I really trust this staff. I believe they will do whatever they need to do to get a franchise QB this year. That could mean trading up, staying put, or taking one in the second round. This is probably the most interesting draft for the Bills I have ever seen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 He has size, great arm and has played in a pro offense but yeah he's not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He has size, great arm and has played in a pro offense but yeah he's not good What have you seen in his game that you don't like? I've watched all the cut-ups on him that I can find and watched him at the combine. He is from a lower-level of competition and he is a bit slow, but I don't see a problem with his arm strength or accuracy. It is hard to judge anticipation in any of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: What have you seen in his game that you don't like? I've watched all the cut-ups on him that I can find and watched him at the combine. He is from a lower-level of competition and he is a bit slow, but I don't see a problem with his arm strength or accuracy. It is hard to judge anticipation in any of these guys. He's a statue and he's too quick to dump it off in the flat for me Edited March 5, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He's a statue and he's too quick to dump it off in the flat for me Do you think that could partly be explained by his weak supporting cast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Do you think that could partly be explained by his weak supporting cast? No. I don't mind using a 4th-5th on him because he's exactly the type of guy you can move in a few years for a higher pick because NFL guys are size queens but I'm not taking him and thinking he's going to be a Franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He's a statue and he's too quick to dump it off in the flat for me Kind of like Brady then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: He's a statue and he's too quick to dump it off in the flat for me They have lots of WR screens in their offence. I don't think he uses the check down to often. He had a horrible oline and WR core and carried that team. Prospects with size, arm strength, production, and accuracy don't make it past round 3 (see Davis Webb last year). He does a pretty good job moving around the pocket but does have mobility concerns. It seems silly to like Rosen if you want a QB with mobility because he has mobility concerns as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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