Mike White (WKU) the target?

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Right. I been saying this. Why are we still not realizing that we need to draft a QB high and invest in the most important position on the field.

Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garropolo, Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott, Drew Brees and Tom Brady might disagree.

 

I am not saying that it wouldn't be nice to get a top prospect, but:

1. Some good starting QBs can be found after round 1 (for sure a lower probability)

2. They are not getting high enough to get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield -'after them I'm not sold enough on Allen, Jackson or Rudolph to trade up much for one of them.

Edited March 3, 2018 by OldTimer1960

[C.Biscuit97]

This would be a Bills move. A draft loaded with interesting qbs and they settle on a 4th rounder as their guy. 

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garropolo, Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott and Tom Brady might disagree.

RG3, Brady, Romo, Bledsoe.  Those were the qbs in front of those guys when they were drafted.  And Carr struggled as a rookie.  We have Nathan Peterman.

 

and what about the Bills history trust you to develop a mid round qb.  We need the most ready guy so we don't screw him up.

[billspro]

2 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Right. I been saying this. Why are we still not realizing that we need to draft a QB high and invest in the most important position on the field.

 

Why not draft Mike White high? He is nothing like Peterman. He has an NFL arm and accuracy to make all of the throws. I will be very surprised if he doesn't go in the second round. 

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

We already have Peterman.

 

 

LOL comparing Peterman to White. 6'2 QB with a very limited arm to a 6'5 QB that has an NFL arm. 

[OldTimer1960]

2 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Why not draft Mike White high? He is nothing like Peterman. He has an NFL arm and accuracy to make all of the throws. I will be very surprised if he doesn't go in the second round. 

LOL comparing Peterman to White. 6'2 QB with a very limited arm to a 6'5 QB that has an NFL arm. 

Agree

[billsredneck1]

4 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

White and Falk have pretty high ceilings. I’m in the keep TT for one more year and draft Jackson at 21 camp. But if they took BPA at 21&22 and took one of these guys or the Ok. St. QB in second or third would be solid too. ?TTP

why would we keep tt and draft the same guy? i'm saying this because success depends on a cerebral, accurate ,proven passer

not someone who can scramble if his 1st read isn't open. someone who has the smarts to audible. that's what we need.

[jrober38]

White is not worth a 2nd round pick. Tall and big arm doesn't mean he can play football. 

 

White has tools, but they don't translate well to the NFL game. He doesn't read the field quickly, has poor pocket awareness and doesn't handle pressure very well. 

 

He's a guy you stash on the bench for a couple years hoping for the best, but he's not a 2nd round pick. Not even close. 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, stony said:

 

If the Bills don't want to go shopping at the top of the draft, I'd prefer they go for Jackson instead of the "safe" pick there.  

THis is pretty much where I am at

[crack]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

People I'm sure said the same of Arron Rodgers and Tom Brady to name a couple.  Rodgers was a late #1, but  certainly not a talked about guy.

Did you watch the draft and the lead up to the draft that year? Based on what you said, you probably didn't.

 

Rodgers was highly talked about. A lot of people, including myself, felt he was the top QB in that 2005 draft. I didn't believe Smith would go No.1 until he was drafted.

 

This isn't just hindsight. I can show you articles showing Rodgers was regarded as a top 10 player.

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2005.php

Had Rodgers going 5th overall

 

http://blackandgold.com/saints/7872-march-6-2005-mel-kipers-mock-draft.html

Kiper had him going 3rd overall

 

Nothing about those mocks indicates "certainly not a talked about guy"...unless you weren't listening.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

QBs that are smart with no obvious weakness don't typically get drafted in the 2nd. Don't get me wrong, he's a nice prospect, but I don't see a really high ceiling here. 

And great NFL QBs sometimes get overlooked. Especially when they play at lower level schools.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

And great NFL QBs sometimes get overlooked. Especially when they play at lower level schools.

All I'm saying is if the plan is to unearth an overlooked QB the plan is bad. Very bad. Identify your guy and get him. Is it Rosen at 2? Mayfield at 5? Sit tight or slide up for Jackson? Wonderful...team has the draft capital to get whoever they want this year. No excuses. And no reason to select a lower tier prospect and "hope" you stuck gold.

[PIZ]

6' 4"....225 lbs.

 

Says he's one of the best passers in this class.

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentuckiana/2018/03/02/wku-mike-white-nfl-scouting-combine-western-kentucky-draft/380818002/

Edited March 3, 2018 by PIZ

[simool]

2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Might as well keep TT,why waste a pick on V2.

 

What?

	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Taylor	495	865	57.2	7017	8.1	8.1	44	20	137.5
Jackson	619	1086	57	9043	8.3	8.5	69	27	142.9

 

Pretty similar from a completion, avg yards, and rating perspective.  Jackson had more completions and attempts, had a way better TD:INT ratio and a marginally better rating.

Then when you consider it took Taylor 4 years to compile those stats and Jackson has played 3, and won a friggin' Heisman. Your statement makes even less sense.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

32 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

All I'm saying is if the plan is to unearth an overlooked QB the plan is bad. Very bad. Identify your guy and get him. Is it Rosen at 2? Mayfield at 5? Sit tight or slide up for Jackson? Wonderful...team has the draft capital to get whoever they want this year. No excuses. And no reason to select a lower tier prospect and "hope" you stuck gold.

 

You should be happy that McBeane seem to have Plan Bs, Cs and Ds. 

[simool]

3 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Right. I been saying this. Why are we still not realizing that we need to draft a QB high and invest in the most important position on the field.

 

Because we don't. Look no further than the 2012 draft.  Where were Foles, Wilson, and Cousins drafted in relation to Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler,  How about Garropolo and Carr in 2014?  All of these so called top six guys have different problems.  None are worth spending extra picks to move up and get.  We can get a franchise guy at 21 easily.

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

We already have Peterman.

 

 

I do not see Petemeister as having much of a ceiling.
 How do you compare White to Peterman ?
I think White should be on their list if the first round does not give them a fair shot at QB. Plenty of immediate starters and likely impact players for us at 21 22.

 

and yes i want Bills to find that QB of the future sooner than later.

[OldTimer1960]

14 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

All I'm saying is if the plan is to unearth an overlooked QB the plan is bad. Very bad. Identify your guy and get him. Is it Rosen at 2? Mayfield at 5? Sit tight or slide up for Jackson? Wonderful...team has the draft capital to get whoever they want this year. No excuses. And no reason to select a lower tier prospect and "hope" you stuck gold.

They really don’t have as much draft capital as many think.  Because both 1sts and both 2nd are in the bottom 1/3 of the respective rounds, it will be very difficult to out-bid Denver or the Jets at the top for any of the top 3.

 

i am sure that the plan is not to try to unearth an overlooked prospect.  But none of know how they have graded the QBs.

 

Scenario: Vikings sign Cousins, Browns take Rosen 1st, Giants take Darnold and Denver or the Jets trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder with Colts and take Mayfield.

 

They would have to think very hard before giving up both 1sts to move up for Allen or Jackson.  Now, if those guys drop to where maybe 21 & 53 get them there, maybe OK.  

 

But, none of us know what they think of any of these QBs.  It is not too much of a stretch to think that they might not like Allen, Jackson or Rudolph any better than they might like Mike White.  For sure Allen’s arm and Jackson’s running are elite traits, but they are risky guys in that you don’t really know if either will ever be accurate enough.  White has a strong arm, maybe better than Rudolph’s.  Maybe they think White is that cerebral pocket passer that they are looking for.

 

Just because the draft analysts see things one way, it doesn’t mean that some pro scouts don’t see thing differently.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garropolo, Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott, Drew Brees and Tom Brady might disagree.

 

I am not saying that it wouldn't be nice to get a top prospect, but:

1. Some good starting QBs can be found after round 1 (for sure a lower probability)

2. They are not getting high enough to get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield -'after them I'm not sold enough on Allen, Jackson or Rudolph to trade up much for one of them.

reality sets in

4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

They really don’t have as much draft capital as many think.  Because both 1sts and both 2nd are in the bottom 1/3 of the respective rounds, it will be very difficult to out-bid Denver or the Jets at the top for any of the top 3.

 

i am sure that the plan is not to try to unearth an overlooked prospect.  But none of know how they have graded the QBs.

 

Scenario: Vikings sign Cousins, Browns take Rosen 1st, Giants take Darnold and Denver or the Jets trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder with Colts and take Mayfield.

 

They would have to think very hard before giving up both 1sts to move up for Allen or Jackson.  Now, if those guys drop to where maybe 21 & 53 get them there, maybe OK.  

 

But, none of us know what they think of any of these QBs.  It is not too much of a stretch to think that they might not like Allen, Jackson or Rudolph any better than they might like Mike White.  For sure Allen’s arm and Jackson’s running are elite traits, but they are risky guys in that you don’t really know if either will ever be accurate enough.  White has a strong arm, maybe better than Rudolph’s.  Maybe they think White is that cerebral pocket passer that they are looking for.

 

Just because the draft analysts see things one way, it doesn’t mean that some pro scouts don’t see thing differently.

as i have mentioned here and there. We probably should trust Bills use the draft to what they see is the best outcome. Long and Short term. I am sure the equation of FA comes into play at the beginning of the Process.

 adjust as needed in the draft.
 

Hope they have spotted the QB and are lucky/skilled enough to get him. But who knows what they are thinking.OBD has really improved on the loose lips thingie we enjoyed over the years.
 

[OldTimer1960]

30 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

reality sets in

as i have mentioned here and there. We probably should trust Bills use the draft to what they see is the best outcome. Long and Short term. I am sure the equation of FA comes into play at the beginning of the Process.

 adjust as needed in the draft.
 

Hope they have spotted the QB and are lucky/skilled enough to get him. But who knows what they are thinking.OBD has really improved on the loose lips thingie we enjoyed over the years.
 

In 2014, Blake Bortles, Jonny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater were all rated higher than Derek Carr (and were drafted before Carr).  Yet, most would say that. Carr is the best QB from that draft.

 

in 2012, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin 3, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weldon and Brock Osweiler were the top QB prospects and all but Osweiler went in round 1and Osweiler round 2.  Russell Wilson went in the 3rd, Kirk Cousins in the 4th and Nick Foles also went in the 3rd.

Edited March 3, 2018 by OldTimer1960

[3rdand12]

I would say that.
all about the scouting for the Correct/Fit QB whom they feel they can help flourish.
And of course Daboll will have a weighted decision on this matter : )

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This would be a Bills move. A draft loaded with interesting qbs and they settle on a 4th rounder as their guy. 

RG3, Brady, Romo, Bledsoe.  Those were the qbs in front of those guys when they were drafted.  And Carr struggled as a rookie.  We have Nathan Peterman.

 

and what about the Bills history trust you to develop a mid round qb.  We need the most ready guy so we don't screw him up.

Bills’ don’t need the “most ready to play” guy.  They need the guy who will be best over the long-haul.  But, just to play along, if they can’t get Rosen or Mayfield, do you think Darnold, Allen or Jackson are really ready to play immediately?