Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s ok to give up if you want. But I don’t really understand the premise. Why won’t the Bills be able to replace Kyle or Preston in FA and/or the draft? Did you know Jerel Worthy doesn’t play for the Bills? Regarding Worthy, I wasn't aware that he was waived back in November. Then, it gets potentially worse, as you'd have Cedric Thornton as a possible starter next to Washington on the defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 John Dorsey at NFL combine 2018: He's not talking about his plans with the No. 1 pickBelieve what he says at your own risk. This isn't Dorsey's first go-around here and if there's one thing NFL GMs hate to do, it's tell you what they're thinking, even when no one can do anything from stopping the Browns from taking whoever they want at No. 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Your title is not congruent with Dorsey's statement. What Dorsey is saying is if somebody wants to pay "stupid money" then ,yes, we will fleece them. Unless somebody wants to offer four number 1's and a couple of 2's and maybe a 7th so we can say we screwed somebody out of a year's worth of picks by volume then we will take our guy. The first sentence in that statement implies Barkley to me. Let's get real. Cleveland will want a premium on there 1st. That means at a 25% premium will cost 4000 Draft Points! Also remember as a standard, 2019 picks get discounted in points by 10% or so. Bills 2018-1st Round Pick #21 ----------------------------800 2018-1st Round Pick #22 ----------------------------780 2019-1st Round Pick (#21 minus 10%)--------720 2018-2nd Round Pick #53----------------------------370 2019-2nd Round Pick (#53 minus 10%)-------333 2018-2nd 2nd Round Pick #55---------------------350 SUBTOTAL OF 3-1ST'S AND 3-2ND'S------3353 Even without the 10% Discounts Total of---3470 That's a total of a 12% premium. What more would we have to give? What is TT worth? A 4th at the absolute most (Bills 2018-4th Round Pick #121---52 points). This is what it would take just to get in a conversation with Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Beane and McD you got this draft capital to get your QB. Sooooooooo GO FREAKEN GET EM with that capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Regarding Worthy, I wasn't aware that he was waived back in November. Then, it gets potentially worse, as you'd have Cedric Thornton as a possible starter next to Washington on the defensive line. Why do you believe they will completely ignore FA and the rest of the draft if they choose to use a couple extra picks that they purposely obtained to trade up for their QB? Why is Cedric Thornton the only option? That’s what I’m missing. Edited March 1, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) With all the QB's falling in value this is a smart move by the Browns. Move off one, let someone take the End or the RB. Edited March 1, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: If I were the Browns, I’d take Barkley at 1, then choose who you like best of what’s left at 4 between Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold. or trade the pick to the Bills! I can't see them not doing that. They get possibly the best RB in years as well as their choice of at worst two of the four top QB's in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: With all the QB's falling in value this is a smart move by the Browns. Move off one, let someone take the End or the RD. There is no QBs falling lol. There will be 4 gone in top 10 picks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: There is no QBs falling lol. There will be 4 gone in top 10 picks lol Maybe but none good enough to go #1. If you're the Browns move off #1 and take a QB at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 trade the #1 pick ?? NOT HAPPENING owner should fire the new GM same day if that happens now, they should trade the #4 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, papazoid said: trade the #1 pick ?? NOT HAPPENING owner should fire the new GM same day if that happens now, they should trade the #4 pick. What if they have 4 players rated higher than QB? Edited March 1, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Maybe but none good enough to go #1. If you're the Browns move off #1 and take a QB at 4. Says who? The ONLY way Browns guarantee to get the QB they want is to take them 1 overall. They could very well trade out. But that doesnt mean anything about QBs dropping. Nothing has occured from the end of the NCAA season to now to drop any grades. People really need to stop listening to all the pre draft “noise” from talking heads and liers and take it as something substantive Edited March 1, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: “There’s a lot of things I can do at No. 1 and not just get a quarterback,” Dorsey said Thursday at the NFL Scouting Combine. “My door is wide open if somebody wants to come up and talk to me about a trade, I’m willing to trade. But also I’m going to do what’s best for this organization, and I will do that.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/01/browns-open-to-everything-with-no-1-pick-including-a-trade/ Sure it is , because they need MORE picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Says who? The ONLY way Browns guarantee to get the QB they want is to take them 1 overall. Not really. They could move down to 2 or 3 or stay at 4 and still get the best QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It's easy to say, "The Bill should [must!] move up to get [pick your QB!]," but rarely does anyone say what they think and are willing to give up. If we can first agree the price will be very steep, what are you willing to trade? Personally, I'd like to have Darnold or Rosen, but I don't think they are worth what they will cost. I'd be happy with signing Keenem and drafting Lamar Jackson; and have room to address a lot of holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Let's get real. Cleveland will want a premium on there 1st. That means at a 25% premium will cost 4000 Draft Points! Also remember as a standard, 2019 picks get discounted in points by 10% or so. Bills 2018-1st Round Pick #21 ----------------------------800 2018-1st Round Pick #22 ----------------------------780 2019-1st Round Pick (#21 minus 10%)--------720 2018-2nd Round Pick #53----------------------------370 2019-2nd Round Pick (#53 minus 10%)-------333 2018-2nd 2nd Round Pick #55---------------------350 SUBTOTAL OF 3-1ST'S AND 3-2ND'S------3353 Even without the 10% Discounts Total of---3470 That's a total of a 12% premium. What more would we have to give? What is TT worth? A 4th at the absolute most (Bills 2018-4th Round Pick #121---52 points). This is what it would take just to get in a conversation with Cleveland. Just to be clear is this what you think Cleveland's price will be? 4000 points give or take? It would not surprise me. If the pro's tout the QB's the way many on this board and presumably several other teams' boards then I can see it with little difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: Not really. They could move down to 2 or 3 or stay at 4 and still get the best QB. Nope they cant. ONLY way to GUARANTEE they get their guy is to take them at 1 overall. Anything lower and there is NO guarantee you will get him is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Could you imagine what it would take to trade to 1? i think we would be better off trading into a lower spot then that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, papazoid said: trade the #1 pick ?? NOT HAPPENING owner should fire the new GM same day if that happens now, they should trade the #4 pick. Haven't you seen Draft Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Max Fischer said: It's easy to say, "The Bill should [must!] move up to get [pick your QB!]," but rarely does anyone say what they think and are willing to give up. If we can first agree the price will be very steep, what are you willing to trade? Personally, I'd like to have Darnold or Rosen, but I don't think they are worth what they will cost. I'd be happy with signing Keenem and drafting Lamar Jackson; and have room to address a lot of holes. Depending on his workouts it's looking like Darnold might fall some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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