Scott7975 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Yep. College is unwatchable now because everytime someone gets beat deep, they get mugged. There aren't even big plays anymore. Just a flag fest. Yesiree. On the flipside Brady isn't flipping the field anymore with some ticky tack bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Not a fan of this idea Unless maybe they change the rule to have two types of DPI. A minor DPI (bumping the receiver, arm barring, etc) would draw a penalty of spot of the foul up to 15 yards max. A flagrant DPI would be be spot of the foul or a minimum of 15 yards Edited February 27, 2018 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: In college guys run around wide open without a DB in sight. That's why it's OK for college football. You're saying DPI isn't called in college? 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: On the flipside Brady isn't flipping the field anymore with some ticky tack bs. Sarcasm alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 there are few things more irritating to me than hearing an announcer say "that was a good no-call", especially after watching another game where every incidental contact is called. it seems some games officials toss flags like crazy, others they "let them play". I'm for simplicity. Anything that increases the time I have to watch 3 geezers discussing the Summer of Love at Haight-Ashbury while pretending to talk about a penalty...consider me against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: In college guys run around wide open without a DB in sight. That's why it's OK for college football. Huh? No but seriously, when was the last time anyone saw DBs intentionally knocking down a WR before the ball arrives when he's "beat"? I think this is a great idea--seems like what everyone here has been asking for for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I would love this change, and it's been long overdue. If you truly have your man beat deep, and the pass is accurate, there is nothing a DB can do to stop it. Over the past 20 years it's devolved into: Gain 1 foot of separation, crappy QB underthrows pass, WR acts like he's been raped, flag, 50+ yds of offense, outcome of game is changed. That's not football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Huh? No but seriously, when was the last time anyone saw DBs intentionally knocking down a WR before the ball arrives when he's "beat"? I think this is a great idea--seems like what everyone here has been asking for for a while. Duke Williams did it in the EZ three years ago. I didn't see anyone say that play ruined the integrity of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 How about just let the guys play defense again and stop calling every incompletion a penalty. The defenders are already at such a disadvantage, give them a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Exactly why this is 100% an awful idea. Edited February 28, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Would rather them leave it how it is but not call as much of the ticky tack calls. And would also prefer to make it where you could challenge P.I calls. Edited February 28, 2018 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 hours ago, billsfan11 said: I can see both sides. 1. A long pass interference call can seriously impact the game. And a lot of the time those calls are very ticky tack. 2. On the other side, players will just tackle the player if they are beat on a deep throw. They would be more than happy to concede the 15 yards. It’s a lose lose either way in my opinion. Overall I would slightly prefer them to keep the rule as is, but let the players play more and don’t call it PI unless it really impacts the play. Totally agree, I see both sides. Me personally I think it's the worst ending to games. The defense plays tough D, then an offense with nothing to lose Chuck's it up and the D gets the call that hasn't been called all game and loses because a WR is a great actor. I hate seeing the receiver sell the PI more than he actually tried for the ball ( cough gronk cough). But at the same time you can't blame the receiver, do what you gotta do to win. I agree, they could change it. But it's pick your poison, dbs would rather tackle and take the 15 then get torched on national TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This is exactly why this is 100% an awful idea. No they wouldn't. 15 yards is a lot to just hand out,especially if you don't even know the ball is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: No they wouldn't. 15 yards is a lot to just hand out,especially if you don't even know the ball is coming. Why wouldn't they? 15 yards is better than giving up a big play or a TD. Not following your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Good idea, but I just think that this is putting too much interpretation out there for the few again, so you have the same problem as in the refs are dumb and make weird, corrupt decisions. This is rule change might just ruin the game. I coach high school football and we train our corners to commit PI when beat because they are preventing a touchdown and it's 15 yards. You're right in the sense that refs are unreliable, but that's inevitable unless we find a replacement for human judgment. Maybe in Whaley's all-Robot league? Like the one from the ad bumpers on Fox? haha But I think a tiered-penalty rule would prevent what you're saying, right? Bc obviously corners shouldn't want to commit PI. If the corner is beat, and then he grabs the receiver down before the ball arrives to prevent the TD — well, its like a penalty shot in hockey, except instead it becomes a spot-foul instead of a 15-yarder. The more I think about it, shouldn't there be tiered-penalties for most fouls?? Holding, both on offense & defense, similar to DPI, is too often a major factor in the success of drives. It'd be nice if the penalties reflected the actual impact it had on the play instead of too often seeming entirely arbitrary. The only issue with it is the same as with any penalty, which is the human judgment factor. EDIT — Part of the tier needs to include ejections, to prevent the kind of "head-hunting" strategies described in this thread. The NFL is horrible about punishing cheap shots. See: Rob Gronkowski, Jarvis Landry, Burfict, etc. Edited February 28, 2018 by LA Grant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 NFL won't approve this rule change. They want scoring to go UP, so a move that would curb scoring (by eliminating the huge gains in yardage that often come from DPI calls) is not likely to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Great. Will we now have a Flagrant I And a Flagrant II? More ref agony to come? There has to be some kind of intentional tackle vs minuscule incidental contact differentiation, or this is horrific. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Foxx said: why not have it weighted? if the D gets something like 3 PI penalties then it automatically becomes a spot foul? spitballin' here. Except once teams hit 3pi, it would go back to the "Chuck and aim for pi" bs the pats do again, just delayed until later in game, and it would encourage them to try for pi more often earlier in games to get into the "penalty" 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: Needs to be a double foul type thing like with roughing the kicker/running into the kicker. If blatant, it's a spot foul. If more 50/50 play, 15 yard penalty. Exactly what I was thinking. If anything, this is what it has to be, or along this line. Otherwise, if it's just a flat 15 yard, it'll turn into the NFL version of "hack a Shaq" when they would just hard foul Shaq , taking their chance at him and his terrible sub-50% free throws instead of his 75%+ fg chance to close. I can see it now in the film room with belicheat Bb: "Okay , mccourtney and Chung, see this play? Where Gilmore gets torched on a deep post by Julio Jones? Next time you see ANYBODY gets any separation on the DB I want you heading over to smash him before the ball gets there" Chung: "but coach, that's a 15 yard penalty" Bb: "better than a 40 yard completion. Make sure he doesn't catch it. Lay him out" .... Only problem with the "levels" of the penally is it's one more thing for the refs to have "judgment" calls on... We all know how well that works out... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why wouldn't they? 15 yards is better than giving up a big play or a TD. Not following your logic. Why would a DB go for the 15 yards rather than play the ball? You actually have to be close to grab. Rarely does a DB get beat bad enough early in the route for this to occur. Even if it does happen there is already a lesser penalty, holding. We do see this, but rarely. A DB gets beat early and just grabs the WR. It's almost impossible to do on a deep ball because you don't even know the ball is coming your way, your back is to the QB. If CBs start getting multiple 15 yard penalties they will be on the Bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: Why would a DB go for the 15 yards rather than play the ball? You actually have to be close to grab. Rarely does a DB get beat bad enough early in the route for this to occur. Even if it does happen there is already a lesser penalty, holding. We do see this, but rarely. A DB gets beat early and just grabs the WR. It's almost impossible to do on a deep ball because you don't even know the ball is coming your way, your back is to the QB. If CBs start getting multiple 15 yard penalties they will be on the Bench. Not the case at all. DBs know when the ball is coming based on a receiver's reaction. It's not a matter of multiple times with a DB committing PI every time on a deep pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Not the case at all. DBs know when the ball is coming based on a receiver's reaction. It's not a matter of multiple times with a DB committing PI every time on a deep pass. So the DB is right there, you as a coach will tell him to just grab the WR instead of get your head around and play the ball? Are people even thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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