#34fan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Yeah, well you've discredited yourself with your last paragraph there I don't need your credit, Bandit... I actually take my time and observe these kids... Games... Pressers... I follow their progress for YEARS... What has Jackson shown that makes you think he can pick up an NFL offense or run a pro huddle? -Have you ever even heard the kid speak? But never mind what I say... Keep offering up stats with no context... Makes you look smart... Edited February 15, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, #34fan said: I don't need your credit, Bandit... I actually take my time and observe these kids... Games... Pressers... I follow their progress for YEARS... What has Jackson shown that makes you think he can pick up an NFL offense or run a pro huddle? -Have you ever even heard the kid speak? But never mind what I say... Keep offering up stats with no context... Makes you look smart... Keep offering up your assessment of whether or not I actually watch these guys without doing a scintilla of research It would take all of 2 minutes of looking into the archives to see the draft prep I put together every year for the last decade on this board But you're in too many of a hurry to prove your superiority to yourself Maybe there's someone on the board that's impressed by it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Keep offering up your assessment of whether or not I actually watch these guys without doing a scintilla of research It would take all of 2 minutes of looking into the archives to see the draft prep I put together every year for the last decade on this board But you're in too many of a hurry to prove your superiority to yourself Maybe there's someone on the board that's impressed by it... You seem to be the one more worried about who they impress. -I just offered a different take on the QB prospect paradigm... But hey, way to go, on being able to count to 38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 hours ago, #34fan said: I don't need your credit, Bandit... I actually take my time and observe these kids... Games... Pressers... I follow their progress for YEARS... What has Jackson shown that makes you think he can pick up an NFL offense or run a pro huddle? -Have you ever even heard the kid speak? But never mind what I say... Keep offering up stats with no context... Makes you look smart... I believe Jackson ran a very complex, pro style offense at Louisville. And what's so funny about the way he speaks?? 10 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Don't get me wrong, I am excited about the Rosen talk but I'm must admit, I'm a little weary about giving up so much to get him. I think the Bills have a great shot at landing Jackson at #21 or they wouldn't need to trade up that far to get him meaning we wont have to give up as much. I see him comparing to Watson from Houston. I like that he can take off blazing down field if a play breaks down. I love that he has elite arm strength which will be a huge advantage if he is playing in Buffalo. The only real knock I see against him is his accuracy, I get it, its a big issue but something that I think he can improve on with the right coaching. It's hard not to be excited about this guy when you see his highlights. Scouting Report from Walterfootball.com http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018ljackson.php Read the scouting report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, #34fan said: You seem to be the one more worried about who they impress. -I just offered a different take on the QB prospect paradigm... But hey, way to go, on being able to count to 38. No, you claimed that two players with fewer starts than Jackson had more experience, which isn't even an opinion; it's flat-out wrong. You also claimed that they were better leaders without providing any substance Lastly, you decided that I simply look at numbers and don't actually watch these guys, which is both pompously presumptuous and ludicrous. But yeah, it's not you, it's me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, the skycap said: I believe Jackson ran a very complex, pro style offense at Louisville. Of course you do... Unfortunately LOU's "pro style" offense is rooted in college practicality, and tailored for an inaccurate QB to use his legs as a primary weapon. Calling it "very complex" simply isn't true... Petrino tried more snaps under center last season, but to what end? -a drop in win total, and an increase in INT's? Lamar Jackson reminds me of Randle-El.. -And if it makes you feel better, he'd make a FINE 2nd round pick as a converted wide receiver. 2016 LOU offense breakdown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, The_Dude said: To me it’s weird he’s not getting more pub. I really don’t get why he’s not mentioned with the fab-4 because he belongs. Right now I have it: 1. Mayfield 2a. Rosen 2b. Darnold 4. Jackson 5. Allen Rosen and Darnold were stud elite-eleven QB's at a time when the HS QB recruiting scene was starting to get more national exposure............the hype train started years ago with these dudes........particularly Rosen, who was seen as a perfect specimen of a QB prospect. Mayfield forced himself into the mix with a full career of hard work, capped off with a GREAT season. Jackson declared early before he could take that last step..........that's why he's well behind these guys..........but in a more typically bad QB year I could see him getting pushed way up the board. The dude makes some GREAT throws. He is fun to watch. Edited February 16, 2018 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No, you claimed that two players with fewer starts than Jackson had more experience, which isn't even an opinion; it's flat-out wrong. You also claimed that they were better leaders without providing any substance Lastly, you decided that I simply look at numbers and don't actually watch these guys, which is both pompously presumptuous and ludicrous. But yeah, it's not you, it's me Nope. -I'm the one who's nuts... I like the kid with the higher completion percentage (the last two years) who threw more TD's, -passed for more yardage, and took a couple dozen less sacks. I must be totally insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, #34fan said: Nope. -I'm the one who's nuts... I like the kid with the higher completion percentage (the last two years) who threw more TD's, -passed for more yardage, and took a couple dozen less sacks. I must be totally insane. Swing and a miss I never once criticized your evaluation; everyone's entitled to an opinion. I said that your claims of certain players' superior experience and leadership were incorrect and unfounded, respectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 10 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I believe this stat is skewed and is not a good indicator for how well some of these players perform against top defenses. For example Louisvlle got blown out by Clemson this year. If you just look at the stats, you would think Jackson had a pretty good game. When you dig a little deeper, Jackson was 12-25 for 115 yards 1 TD and 1 pick 6 @ 2:16 left in the 3rd quarter. If you watch the highlight of the pick 6, it was just a terrible throw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPO6frJzkog Louisville was down 33-7 late in the third and from there Jackson went, 9-17 for 202 yards, 2 TD's and 0 INT's in garbage time. Louisville wasn't a great team this year and I imagine it is not uncommon for top collge QB's to pad there stats against top defenses when the backups are in during garbage time. People are just way too accepting to believe every advanced stat they see has a direct correlation to what is happening on the field. Yes a lot of this stuff is good, but how many of these algorithms are giving people a skewed view of exactly how good a player really is? I think a lot of these stats look nice, but don't apply to what is really happening on the field. It's obvious you don't like Jackson, you're entitled to your opinion but you state he pads his stats in garbage time against backups, so you show one 30 second video of him throwing a pick 6 and in the video it said it was his 1st interception in 128 pass attempts. His OL was pretty bad also and he did very well, I love his game against NC State, he had constant pressure all game long and I thought he did a heck of a job hanging in the pocket and slinging it all over the field. He's Michael Vick with a stronger arm (not just my words, Mike Mayock stated the same on NFL.com) and Mike Vick went #1 overall back in 2001. I see all these top QB's gone by 17, if we want 1 of them the Bills will need to trade up imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I like Lamar Jackson, but I don’t think the Bills do. He’s the only “top” QB they didn’t visit more than once to scout live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I like Lamar Jackson, but I don’t think the Bills do. He’s the only “top” QB they didn’t visit more than once to scout live. ...or is that part of the ruse???? No, I don’t think so either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Swing and a miss I never once criticized your evaluation; everyone's entitled to an opinion. I said that your claims of certain players' superior experience and leadership were incorrect and unfounded, respectively Unfounded? After a storied high school career, Ferguson suffered early disappointment at his first stop (Tennesee) before leaving the program.. He went home to N.C. and began detailing cars and building aluminum fences for cash....All the while dreaming of another shot... He finally got some interest from Coffeyvile Junior college in Kansas, where he wowed them with a 67.8% completion percentage and 35 TD's... Shortly thereafter he drew interest from Mike Norvell, the man who would be the new HC at Memphis... 2016 was Riley's first season with the Tigers, and the Tiger's first season removed from the mighty Paxton Lynch... Ferguson only responded by shattering Lynch's school touchdown record, and pouring in 32 TD's via some 3,968 passing yards leading the tigers to a bowl-eligible season. For the 2017 season, he would propel the Memphis program to even greater heights. -Pouring in 38 passing TD's via some 4,257 passing yards. He also broke the school record for passing yards in a single game. -Twice! Ferguson finished the year averaging more passing YPG than Sam Darnold (327.5)...Memphis would finish with 10 wins on the season, and back to back bowl game appearances. -Not bad for a kid who went missing on the road less traveled, and managed to find his way back... Edited February 16, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Please i want to try a throwing qb not one thst runs and throws only ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, ddaryl said: accuracy can not be taught. You either have it or you don't/ if you have it you can refine it, but if your a college QB who couldn't complete more than 60% consistently it ain't never going to happen in the pros (See Josh Allen) Lamar is intruiging but you're not fixing the accuracy worries Accuracy certainly can be taught to some degree. Rodgers has gotten more accurate, Brady, a bunch of others. But yeah, some guys never get more accurate. It's absolutely not a sure thing. But it could happen, particularly if the accuracy issues are based on fundamentals problems like bad footwork, which indeed can be fixed. I'm up in the air on Jackson. I'd rather see them trade up and get one of the top three. Or Cousins for that matter, though I just don't see that happening with the FO's M.O. established as build through the draft and be conservative fiscally. But if they don't get any of those, I'd be willing to root for Lamar. But they'd be making a big bet on him. Whoever they pick will color the FO's legacy. Can Jackson throw from the pocket, their one stated necessity for a QB? From what I see from people like Matt Waldman, he can. Edited February 16, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 14 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: There isn't a player in this draft that I want the Bills to stay away from more. I have seen enough of receivers and backs having to adjust their route to catch a poorly thrown ball, and having to break their stride, making them unable to get run after the catch yardage. Tyrod can't even make the short throws to his receivers in stride consistently and I saw the same thing with Jackson when I watched Louisville games. Simply just not accurate and that is the hardest thing for QB's to improve on. Like Mike Mayock stated he watched him make an amazing throw only to follow it up with a few bad throws...then make another amazing throw. He is the not careful with the ball Tyrod Taylor. If the Bills want another running QB and allow me to list his weakness, 6'3'' 200lbs. He could get killed in the NFL WEAKNESSES Carries spindly legs and a thin base. Slightly built for punishing hits he takes from pocket and as a runner. Must learn to slide. Lackadaisical in setup. Throws with excessively narrow base and stiff front side. Flips it rather than throws it. Makes targets work too hard. Sails throws that can end up in hands of a safety. At times, hesitates to challenge safeties in the seam. Low release point leads to tipped passes. Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Matt Waldman has done some of his usual excellent breakdowns on Lamar Jackson. https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/07/18/rsp-boiler-room-no-101-qb-lamar-jackson-louisville-drops-and-accuracy/ https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/12/30/rsp-film-room-no-119-qbs-lamar-jackson-and-josh-allen-in-the-pocket/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) He reminds me of EJ, but he's better all around. True he's a bit smaller, but I'm ok with that. He's 6'3" and he can gain weight. If a good QB coach could correct his footwork, his accuracy would improve, but that's what they said about EJ too. I'm all in for Rosen, though. I know he's a gamble, but the upside is tempting and we desperately need an elite QB. We have to gamble on Rosen if we get the chance and just try to patch up the holes on our roster as best we can until next year. We'll get a $9 million cap bonus from Marshmellow Dareus' departure in '19. Still, I'd be ok with Jackson. He has great poise and all the mental aspects you want in a QB. Get him to set before throwing more consistently and he could be great. He doesn't ever throw those wounded ducks like EJ and Fitz did, so it makes that 'fix the feet to fix the arm' proposition more credible. Edited February 16, 2018 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Bangarang said: If you’re not accurate in college, you’re likely not going to be accurate in the NFL when the windows are tighter and time to throw is shorter. Yeah, sadly this is true. I just don't think accuracy improves much after you've thrown 20,000 balls in your college career. Maybe anticipation and footwork helps a little, but accuracy is either in your dna or it isn't. Deshaun's success is making everybody rethink these athletic Tyrod types, but I just see another Teddy Bridge or Geno Smith in Jackson. . Edited February 16, 2018 by Da webster guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDave55 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 22 hours ago, DCOrange said: Not that completion percentage completely translates to accuracy, but this seems like a good place to post this: Looks like Rudolph... and not having to trade away picks.... All charts aside Jackson looks awful against good college defenses. Will never make it in pro's unless he converts to WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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