26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Allen's turn to be critiqued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Damn good breakdown. If we take Allen, he will need to sit for at least a year and maybe two while a bridge guy like Bradford plays. We also need a QB guru to rebuild his mechanics from scratch. We do not have such a coach on staff atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Our last 1st Rd QB picked was a 6'5" 240lb guy who could move with a big arm. The problem was his accuracy and ball placement. This would be the same mistake. A team can only draft this guy if they have a coach with a history of fixing the problems Allen has. It is probably a multi year process. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Allen worries me way too much... Too much relyng on arm strength and size but way to raw and loose on the fundamentals that make great QB's great With the speed/intelligence transisiton of the NFL game I just do not see him learning consistency and great mechanics quickly. if he slides down into the 2nd or 3rd round I'd grab him and try to groom him but he is not a day 1 starter and may take more than a year to iron out those bad habits. Whomever drafts him has ot be super patient and have a vet who can hold the reigns for more than a single season Edited February 1, 2018 by ddaryl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 From a raw talent standpoint Allen has it all which is why he will likely be drafted very high. Personally I have a 2nd round grade on him but still think he's too much of a true 'boom/bust' guy that is going to need the perfect organization and support structure around him for any chance of him to not turning into another Losman or Manuel type of player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) “Isn’t a ready to go franchise changer like Cam Newton”. Newton wasn’t either, when he came out. But his needle points a little too close to Gabbert and Bortles, for me. I don’t like the EJ comparison at all. He would definitely need at least a year though in my opinion. Edited February 1, 2018 by DFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I'd gladly take him at 21, and if Buffalo were already sitting up higher, I'd be fine taking him then too. But as much as I like him, trading multiple 1st round picks + more to get him is just too risky IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Allen's turn to be critiqued. He literally bit my opening line from my scouting report in the tweet! " The most polarizing prospect in the draft!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: He literally bit my opening line from my scouting report in the tweet! " The most polarizing prospect in the draft!" That's been the line in many places because of the tantalizing physical talent mixed with inconsistent tape and sloppy mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Regardless of how he turns out, 66 MPH is remarkable. It's basically Aroldis Chapman-level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's been the line in many places because of the tantalizing physical talent mixed with inconsistent tape and sloppy mechanics. I Released my Allen Report first! They are stealing my material 26! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, dave mcbride said: Regardless of how he turns out, 66 MPH is remarkable. It's basically Aroldis Chapman-level. And I believe that was just on a regular pass; he wasn't even necessarily trying to throw it as hard as possible. I'm curious to see what his velocity is at the Combine just for the sheer absurdity of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I Released my Allen Report first! They are stealing my material 26! Someone owes you big time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I’m going to use Arm Arrogance as much as possible going forward. Allen is a definite MAYBE..... if you have a sturdy bridge a no one else has rolled the dice, worth a thought, but I’d need to see Tom Brady like ‘want it’ out this guy though.. to even consider going through with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Anyone who takes Allen in the 1st round is making a big mistake. He's got upside, but he's also got enormous downside. Guys like him rarely succeed at the NFL level. I don't think he's worth anything more than a 4th round pick. He's too raw and too much has to go right for him to become a top QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Nah. Stay away. 21 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Anyone who takes Allen in the 1st round is making a big mistake. He's got upside, but he's also got enormous downside. Guys like him rarely succeed at the NFL level. I don't think he's worth anything more than a 4th round pick. He's too raw and too much has to go right for him to become a top QB. 100%. Teams get too enamoured with potential and physical traits. Allen likely needs to sit and learn for 2/3 years. You don’t draft that in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 In the event anyone has not seen this yet, check out this video of Allen missing the net completely from 10 yards away during a senior bowl drill. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/01/josh-allen-wyoming-senior-bowl-throw-video-miss-workout-accuracy-browns-nfl-draft I know it could have been nerves but it is very funny. That said, I would take him at 21 and let him sit for two years. Top 5 or 10, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Josh Allen = Jake Locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Josh Allen = Jake Locker. He reminds me more of Kaepernick, although I don't think Allen is as good a runner. Big arm, can throw a rocket, zero touch and NOT a very catchable ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 he looks like a couple of years behind big ben would be the best for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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