Bad Things Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I'm so worried that Beane is going to be another Tim Murray. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: I think everyone would have liked to got more for Marcel then we got the problem is - He is a complete gamble......now the jags get to hold their breath in the offseason instead of us to see if he is gonna get in trouble again.....cant stay away from the weed. Wont stay in shape.....constant discipline problem for showing up late to team meetings...you heard the story right? - We missed his run support.....but the fact of the matter is past the first year the guy has not lived up to the massive contract he was given. I dont know about you but I expect a lot more out of a 100 million dollar DT then what he was giving......did it negatively affect the team on the field this year? Yes....did it massively affect it? No the D was pretty good. I fully expect that they are going to address this position.....either in the draft high or a quality free agent. I 100 percent agree with all your points. I personally just wouldn’t have traded him while they were 5 and 2 and in the midst of breaking the playoff drought. Because at the end of the day he was better than the other DTs not named Kyle Williams. But ya I definitely understand your point about him being a head case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RobH063 said: Beane wasn't even with the Bills during the draft so how is he responsible for not reaching out to "QB-Destitute Houston"? Beane also wasn't responsible for not picking up Watkins 5th year option. That was announced on May 2nd and Beane got to Buffalo on May 9th. Whaley did a nice job finding cast offs from other teams to plug in when players got hurt and he is a good college scout but he didn't do that great of a job drafting and he was not a be-all-end-all GM like you're insinuating he was. Hell, if he was still in Buffalo and had his way, EJ Manual would still be the starting QB and we'd be at 18 years and still counting! Wrong tree. I said Beane picked up right where "Whaley"(read:McD) left off and then pointed out those things that McD oversaw with Whaley lame-ducking in the FO. 56 minutes ago, Bad Things said: I'm so worried that Beane is going to be another Tim Murray. This is EXACTLY the concern that we should have. Remember the whole "Tim Murray gives no !@#$s" movement? Beane needs to RAKE this offseason to make up for all the net losses he's endured in the name of getting he and McD's guys. Edited January 28, 2018 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc said: It looked like a mistake at the time but the Bills still made the playoffs without him. Keeping him means he ties up even more money for 2018 for a part-time non-dominant player, still shows up late and still doesn't buy into the process. It was best for both sides to move on. How does his contract work for 2018 again? Even though he is trade, doesn't he still account for a ton of dead money? Edited January 28, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 7:23 PM, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). The way I see it is that the most important trades Beane made were the Watkins trade, the Darby trade, and the Benjamin trade. Watkins trade: I would say we came out far ahead and actually kind of robbed the Rams. Gaines has played great and we got a second out of it (as well as shipping off Watkins, which could be argued as a plus). Darby trade: At this point, it seems like a bit of a wash. We didn't get much out of Mathews and they didn't get much more out of Darby b/c of injury. Mathews didn't do much, but if you consider the fact that Tyrod was the one chucking the ball around, it's hard to blame that on him. It is very likely that next year, the Eagles will get more out of Darby (he ended up with 3 picks despite an injury shortened season). When you consider the 3rd round pick, I'd say it's close and that neither team "won" the trade. Benjamin trade: Early returns have not been the greatest, we will see how he does next year (hopefully with a real QB). At this point, I'd say we came out slightly behind on this one. But this can easily change depending on what happens with him next year. So, for the three most important trades, I'd say Beane came out slightly ahead. But that is subject to change. I know the point of the OP was to say that his transactions as a whole were bad, but I think for the most important trades... we've done alright. With that being said, a lot of the other moves were somewhat silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Eagles got a ton out of Darby. We lost that trade by a country mile. Starting CBs are tough to find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Eagles got a ton out of Darby. We lost that trade by a country mile. Starting CBs are tough to find. Yeah, I think after this year, the Eagles will likely come out ahead. If he picks off Brady in the superbowl I'm sure a lot of people will be regretting that trade! But for the moment, I'd say it was a wash b/c Darby missed so much of the season and we got a 3rd out of it. Definitely could see the argument that we lost the trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Eagles got a ton out of Darby. We lost that trade by a country mile. Starting CBs are tough to find. Good thing we found one in Gaines and drafted a fantastic one in Tre despite trading down to the end of the first round for that extra first round pick Every time you post you put your foot in your mouth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Eagles got a ton out of Darby. We lost that trade by a country mile. Starting CBs are tough to find. He was not very good in 2016 and is not suited for zone coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Ittakestime said: Eagles got a ton out of Darby. We lost that trade by a country mile. Starting CBs are tough to find. The Eagles were 7-1 without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Odd post for someone w the handle 'ittakestime'... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Basically, McBeane needs to land a good QB. Use the picks they acquired to move up if they have to. Not getting a QB and then using those picks they got to replace the players they sent packing would be like spinning their wheels. They already replaced Watkins and Darby. They'll be looking for a DT early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Doc said: They already replaced Watkins and Darby. They'll be looking for a DT early. or a quality free agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: or a quality free agent True. They'll be looking to fill as many holes as possible in FA and then fill the remainder with the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: They already replaced Watkins and Darby. They'll be looking for a DT early. Interesting. I'm scanning the Bills roster as I don't recall seeing a WR that could be considered a replacement for Watkins. I still don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, John from Hemet said: Good thing we found one in Gaines and drafted a fantastic one in Tre despite trading down to the end of the first round for that extra first round pick Every time you post you put your foot in your mouth Yea but Tre might of cost us a franchise QB in Mahomes or Watson, I don't care if Tre is the next Revis if that trade cost us a franchise guy we lost by a country 100 miles. Edited January 28, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Yea but Tre might of cost us a franchise QB in Mahomes or Watson, I don't care if Tre is the next Revis if that trade cost us a franchise guy we lost by a country 100 miles. We have absolutely no idea if either one is going to be a franchise qb... Mohomes has done nothing Watson looked great....so did Carr for the Raiders.....remember him? 24 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Interesting. I'm scanning the Bills roster as I don't recall seeing a WR that could be considered a replacement for Watkins. I still don't. and you might not see one of his phyical potential......we need guys to come along and Kelvin to stay healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: We have absolutely no idea if either one is going to be a franchise qb... Mohomes has done nothing Watson looked great....so did Carr for the Raiders.....remember him? I wanted Mahomes last yr i loved him. I believe he will be great. Yes he hasn't done nothing yet . But in the finale he looked the part playing basically 3 quarters throwing for 284yds 22-35 and a pk , 8.1 for attempt. He also came in late and led a drive to win the gm after the Chiefs blew there lead. He did all this playing with the bkups vs the Broncos D on the road. Lost in the stats are some amazing plays he made with his arm. Yes he threw a ugly pk early in the gm but he bounced bk nicely and had a great gm. Mahomes is the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Ittakestime said: 65th pick is way different than 95th And yet they are both in the 3rd round. Math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Eagles got a ton out of Darby. We lost that trade by a country mile. Starting CBs are tough to find. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Darby missed half the year and the other half was average at best. He’s been better in the playoffs, but get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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