KingRex Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 It is if you want to do it consistently and compete for championship.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) You need top defense or QB. Most championship teams have both though. Edited January 15, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 A Elite Qb no. But in the playoffs you need a Qb who is able to make big time throws to win the game. Bortles and Keenum yesterday as example. They are not elite but even throughout the season they have shown the ability to at times make big time plays that the Elite Qbs make more often. Flacco and Eli are not Elite but won Superbowls and played at a high level to do so. You need high level Qb play to advance far in the playoffs. The Qb may not need to be the first or second option but has to have the ability to do it when asked. That is the Bills problem. I think they are in line with the Steelers team when they drafted Big Ben. Pretty good D, good Running game but really need an improvement at Qb, The rookie can be a game manager and Buffalo can be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Odds of being a playoff contender / SB winner / Dynansty go up considerably with a great / franchise QB. Necessary ?? there are anomalies but the odds favor the the franchise QB model Edited January 15, 2018 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Odds of being a playoff contender / SB winner / Dynansty go up considerably with a great / franchise QB. Necessary ?? there are anomalies but the odds favor the the franchise QB model As far as yesterday. Are 3 out of 4 qualify as AN anomaly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 With an elite Defense, you can get there...and be in the hunt for 2-3 years...with an elite QB, you can get there and be in the hunt for 10 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Iron Maiden said: With an elite Defense, you can get there...and be in the hunt for 2-3 years...with an elite QB, you can get there and be in the hunt for 10 years.... I guess our first step is to be in the hunt to go deep once before we worry about 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KingRex said: As far as yesterday. Are 3 out of 4 qualify as AN anomaly? yes the odds atill go up considerably if you have a Brees Brady or Roethlisberger. Get back to me when a average QB is part of a dynasty multiple SB winning team that competes in the playoffs almost every year Edited January 15, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young34 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 83% of the Superbowls won have been teams with defense in the top 10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I think for here it is...for Green Bay, it is. I think the 800 lb gorilla in the room is that it is still difficult to get people to come here, unless you are a winner. OK, so maybe it is the chicken or the egg thing, but I think you get to be better, quicker, and with more attention with a star QB than just being sort of good as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 This year strikes me as more of an aberration than anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, KingRex said: As far as yesterday. Are 3 out of 4 qualify as AN anomaly? One example in the past 20 years qualifies as an "anomaly". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Young34 said: 83% of the Superbowls won have been teams with defense in the top 10. Defenses in the top 10 can also be a product of a potent Offense that keeps the other teams offense off the field, and your defense rested Would have to dive into that data, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Young34 said: 83% of the Superbowls won have been teams with defense in the top 10. THIS JUST IN: Good teams tend to win championships. ALSO: 90% of Top 10 defenses don't win championships. Edited January 15, 2018 by twoandfourteen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 You do if you want to be a perennial playoff caliber team with chances to win championships. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Yes, absolutely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Your HC will be lucky to make it past 3 years without a franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Yes, you need a good QB or an all time defense. The Vikings and Jags D, to me, both look like top 10 defenses since 2000. When you have epically great defenses, you don’t need a “great QB”. When you don’t have an epically great defense, you need a great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mat68 said: A Elite Qb no. But in the playoffs you need a Qb who is able to make big time throws to win the game. Bortles and Keenum yesterday as example. They are not elite but even throughout the season they have shown the ability to at times make big time plays that the Elite Qbs make more often. Flacco and Eli are not Elite but won Superbowls and played at a high level to do so. You need high level Qb play to advance far in the playoffs. The Qb may not need to be the first or second option but has to have the ability to do it when asked. That is the Bills problem. I think they are in line with the Steelers team when they drafted Big Ben. Pretty good D, good Running game but really need an improvement at Qb, The rookie can be a game manager and Buffalo can be successful. I think this is a good reply. Having an elite QB isn't going to help much if the team around him isn't very good (Indy comes to mind as does SD for the last 7 or 8 years). "Elite" QBs like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees have probably won fewer Super Bowls than you would think they would simply because they played for so many years on "flawed" teams where their play masked a lot of deficiencies on their team, especially on defense. When it came to running the gauntlet of good teams in the playoffs, their teams struggled ... just as Pitt struggled against Jax yesterday. OTOH, I think a strong defense combined with a good running offense can enable a competent QB to find success. I think both E Manning and Flacco are perfect examples of this. Elway was an elite QB in his day who didn't win the SB until Denver got him a team with a good defense. If you go back, you can look at both the 2000 Baltimore Ravens (Dilfer) and 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs (QB Brad Johnson) as teams with great Ds and great running games with only competent QBs. Edited January 15, 2018 by SoTier 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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