simool Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: What was the deal breaker for Wilson? You are preaching to the choir. I live in Madison, saw him play several times. I was screaming at the TV for us to draft him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t see character issues as much as I see maturity issues. That’s one difference between him and some other QBs who have stepped as rookies and led a team of veterans. Right now, his own team loves him but I know some players on other teams think he’s a punk. He can try to change that perception in the pre-draft process and in OTAs with whatever team drafts him. Searching his mentions on twitter daily and snarkily responding to the least bit of not-glowing evaluation from draft twitter isn’t the way to do that. He’s showing rabbit ears. I dont have any problem with maturity of leadership from him. At the pro level leadership is aliitle over rated in my eyes. Can you make the throws on time or by time to hit your guys on big plays. Thats really it. Early on and going forward i think those are going to be big issues for Mayfield. Tight coverage, small window throws are going to difficault for him. The ability he shown to extend plays at oklahoma was from a pretty clean pocket. i dont see him being able to extend a play at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Mayfield is another short roll out of the pocket type passer. His ceiling is Drew Brees his floor is Jimmy Clausen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What was the deal breaker for Wilson? Height. and thats it. Crazy to believe that he was considered too small. For Mayfield its more than just height for me. Can he make throws into tight coverage. Can he make throws in small windows. A bigger question for is is will be be able to buy time and make plays after the play breaks down. Wilson played and performed fantastically in a pro style offense at Wisconsin. They are not a Qb freindly team in terms of concepts and play design. Wilson's efficiency running that offense is nothing Wisconsin had seen before or after him. To me the hardest thing to gauge with Mayfield is will he be able to work inside the pocket and inside the confines of an NFL offense. I have serious doubts he can or if he does it will take time. As much time it took Brees. Every Qb has questions but while they are learning on the job who have the easiest routes for success. Arm talent or Athleticism or both allows for more growing pains because while they are learning they are going to do things from sheer talent alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Height. and thats it. Crazy to believe that he was considered too small. For Mayfield its more than just height for me. Can he make throws into tight coverage. Can he make throws in small windows. A bigger question for is is will be be able to buy time and make plays after the play breaks down. Wilson played and performed fantastically in a pro style offense at Wisconsin. They are not a Qb freindly team in terms of concepts and play design. Wilson's efficiency running that offense is nothing Wisconsin had seen before or after him. To me the hardest thing to gauge with Mayfield is will he be able to work inside the pocket and inside the confines of an NFL offense. I have serious doubts he can or if he does it will take time. As much time it took Brees. Every Qb has questions but while they are learning on the job who have the easiest routes for success. Arm talent or Athleticism or both allows for more growing pains because while they are learning they are going to do things from sheer talent alone. Height yes. Nothing to do with character. Wilson doesn't operate much in the pocket (rarely has one). Mayfield sure looks like he can buy time when the play breaks down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Well, I see no reason if he's there to use a first round pick on him. He's got all the heart you want in a QB, he won't check down when they 7 for a 1st down, and seems like he's tough as nails! Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 17 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: That Goff/Elway comparison is ridiculous. They played in complete different eras and it is well known that offensive numbers blew up over the last 15 years. I agree. I hate when people compare this era to prior eras. Hell, look at Brady’s number prior to 06. The rules have changed the numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, D521646 said: Well, I see no reason if he's there to use a first round pick on him. He's got all the heart you want in a QB, he won't check down when they 7 for a 1st down, and seems like he's tough as nails! Tim- I’ve said all along that I think Mayfield checks a lot of mcbeane boxes. Maturity issues may be a question they dig into. But he has the Football character they desire. That’s the type of “character” they are looking for. Imo. Edited January 12, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve said all along that I think Mayfield checks a lot of mcbeane boxes. Maturity issues may be a question they dig into. But he has the Football character they desire. That’s the type of “character” they are looking for. Imo. I agree, I think he checks a lot of boxes if not all of them, and, when the smoke clears he might just go a lot higher than we can afford. He reminds me of Doug Flutie, Drew Brees with a stronger arm. It will be interesting to see how his game translates to the NFL, no way to really gauge that at this point. That's what the pro scouts are for, although, not sure what they see that others do not? What I see is situational awareness, grit, heart, accuracy, strength, and tenacity. What else would you want? We have to get this right with the 21st/22nd pick, if he's there, I say it's a no brainer! Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I don’t want another short QB. Unless somehow it’s Drew Brees, I want a normal height QB. I’m tired of having to only check a few of the boxes. I want an all around good player at the position for a change. It’s been damn near 30 years here...Let’s make a move at some point. EJ was a tall QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, D521646 said: I agree, I think he checks a lot of boxes if not all of them, and, when the smoke clears he might just go a lot higher than we can afford. He reminds me of Doug Flutie, Drew Brees with a stronger arm. It will be interesting to see how his game translates to the NFL, no way to really gauge that at this point. That's what the pro scouts are for, although, not sure what they see that others do not? What I see is situational awareness, grit, heart, accuracy, strength, and tenacity. What else would you want? We have to get this right with the 21st/22nd pick, if he's there, I say it's a no brainer! Tim- I believe they are willing to move up for the QB they want. I think they will package picks and players as needed. Different circumstances with competing teams wanting to trade up could impact this but I saw in two different places that 21 and 22 on the draft value chart can get you up to 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I believe they are willing to move up for the QB they want. I think they will package picks and players as needed. Different circumstances with competing teams wanting to trade up could impact this but I saw in two different places that 21 and 22 on the draft value chart can get you up to 7. Aarrgghh, I would hate that. I'd understand it, but I'm greedy as well. I guess it all depends on how the chips fall, how the lying season goes, where's the hype, where isn't it. All these things play into your draft strategy, but using only a single 1st round pick on a QB and the other to trade back or BPA is my ideal situation. If the Tebow comparisions drops Mayfields draft stock, I'm all for it, and I hope that our GM doesn't fall for it. Tebow could only dream of having the arm that Mayfield has. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 51 minutes ago, Putin said: EJ was a tall QB But he was a terrible passer and was clueless about reading defenses. He had some of the worst footwork I have ever seen in the NFL. He couldnt throw the same pass twice. I want a guy without limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mat68 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Height yes. Nothing to do with character. Wilson doesn't operate much in the pocket (rarely has one). Mayfield sure looks like he can buy time when the play breaks down. Yes in the Big12 Baker made plays all over the field. Not being an above average athlete I dont see him having that kind of success outside the pcoket vs NFL defense. He is not going to run away from too many defenders if any in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 19 hours ago, JPP said: i dunno know but anyone comparing him to tebow as mentioned in the article willl make me think twice.....tebow was beyond god awful....havent followed college ball but can this guy really be the surprise in the draft? It's a bad comparison. Just watch the two of them throw a football. Comparison over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, simool said: What? Are we watching the same team? You also need to consider the free agents we have. Not a small list: https://overthecap.com/free-agency/buffalo-bills/ Then factor in age. We need a hell of a lot more than 2 d tackles 1 lb and a guard FFS we have 42 guys under contract cutting tyrod and ducasse. using free agency we get 2 nice d tackles and a lb. now do we sign brown and gaines? then fill out the roster with the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Mat68 said: Yes in the Big12 Baker made plays all over the field. Not being an above average athlete I dont see him having that kind of success outside the pcoket vs NFL defense. He is not going to run away from too many defenders if any in the NFL. Well....every college QB is only seen with his conference performance. They said the same thing about Mariota. Same thing about Deshawn Watson. Went was knocked for little experience and the fact that he faced not even FBS level defenses. They said Wilson was too short to see over his line!---yet he regularly and form the start totally clowns "NFL defenses". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 12 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Cam Newton also has half a foot and 25+ lbs on Mayfield, and is still a more explosive athlete. I was simply commenting on character. And yes Newton is more of an athlete but Mayfield has demonstrated far more accuracy and pocket presence. 13 hours ago, simool said: Alot of wanna be football executives on this board would also say that when Sammy Watkins went to the press with his minimum targets request he was being more competitive. BS. I think it will be a cold day in hell before you see McDermott and Beane draft a blowhard like Mayfield. Regardless of perceived talent. With a caveat... If he drops to the second or third round then I could see them playing the risk reward game. No Marty Hurney selected a guy like this before. McDermott had been with the Panthers for a couple of months at that point and as a newly hired DC likely had ZERO input into it. Beane was director of football operations at the time. Your take is very presumptious. Both did get to witness Cam opening his big mouth on several occasions and choke on the hard one in the Super Bowl. If Carolina offered to trade Cam to the Bills would the team say no because he does not fit the character they want for the team, obviously not. It’s his swagger that carried the team to the Super Bowl and he has not divided the locker room or embarrassed the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: I was simply commenting on character. And yes Newton is more of an athlete but Mayfield has demonstrated far more accuracy and pocket presence. If Carolina offered to trade Cam to the Bills would the team say no because he does not fit the character they want for the team, obviously not. It’s his swagger that carried the team to the Super Bowl and he has not divided the locker room or embarrassed the franchise. I would say his handling of the female pool reporter this season would be classified as embarrassing the franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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