Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Time to give it up for Frazier and dem boys. Its amazing they dragged this team into the playoffs with no pass rush and no offense. 3 cheers for the genius who brought in Poyer and Hyde. Wish Aaron Williams got to stay to be a part of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 The D is really only a DT and LB away from being exceptional. The backend of the D with all of the turnover and injuries has been the most pleasant shock of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: The D is really only a DT and LB away from being exceptional. The backend of the D with all of the turnover and injuries has been the most pleasant shock of the season. Probably 2 DTs with the impending retirement of KW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: The D is really only a DT and LB away from being exceptional. The backend of the D with all of the turnover and injuries has been the most pleasant shock of the season. I also would add at least one more pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: The D is really only a DT and LB away from being exceptional. The backend of the D with all of the turnover and injuries has been the most pleasant shock of the season. Tredavious was much better than expected. I thought he was gonna have big problems with speed guys after watching Emmanuel Sanders lose him a few times. Next draft is beyond interesting, can’t wait to see how it plays out. With the solid picks of tre, dion, and milano we might be going somewhere if they land a decent qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Probably 2 DTs with the impending retirement of KW My point was that KW’s play is not what it once was. It’s unusual to have two elite DT’s on one team (yes the Bills had this under Schwartz because Dareus played at a high level for that season). Maybe we will get lucky and strike gold on two but I’ll take one for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Could we elaborate on what ranking you are talking about. Becuz they aren’t ranked well in a majority of defensive rankings so I’m assuming you are nit picking a stat to try and make an awful point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I also would add at least one more pass rusher. Hughes would have been much better with interior help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Could we elaborate on what ranking you are talking about. Becuz they aren’t ranked well in a majority of defensive rankings so I’m assuming you are nit picking a stat to try and make an awful point. Don’t need Tyrod lovers to get all huffy up in here go to nfl.com. Click on offense, then defense. Offense comes in at 302 ypg for 29th. Defense ranked 7th. Edited January 2, 2018 by Teddy KGB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Could we elaborate on what ranking you are talking about. Becuz they aren’t ranked well in a majority of defensive rankings so I’m assuming you are nit picking a stat to try and make an awful point. 29th for your boy TT. Which, like i stated in your other post, is not good. Edited January 2, 2018 by CircleTheWagons99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Hughes has one pass rush move this year, and its getting upfield fast, tackles are used to this from film study and is a large reason he has not produced the sack numbers (it IS forcing QBs to step up into the pocket, which if we had great DTs we could be getting more pressure). I wish we would could somehow end up with Roquan Smith from Georgia, but he will be long gone by the 20s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: Hughes would have been much better with interior help He would but I think we could be dominate again if we had someone else from the other end spot collapse the pocket. I think a DT and a pass rushing specialist would help our pressure immensely. A true, fast MLB would give us help in run support and coverage. This could be a top 10 defense in PPG next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: The D is really only a DT and LB away from being exceptional. The backend of the D with all of the turnover and injuries has been the most pleasant shock of the season. Not quite. As much as I love the structure of this defense and our secondary, we need 4-5 new players on our front 7. We BADLY need a DE that can get pass pressure to go along with Hughes. We will need 2 DT's, (K. Williams won't be around too much longer). And from my perspective, we need 2 more LB's, to replace P. Brown and L. Alexander. I expect a major overhaul of our front 7 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: The D is really only a DT and LB away from being exceptional. The backend of the D with all of the turnover and injuries has been the most pleasant shock of the season. Exactly. I think a DE as well, but either way, they are close to becoming a great defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Tredavious was much better than expected. I thought he was gonna have big problems with speed guys after watching Emmanuel Sanders lose him a few times. Next draft is beyond interesting, can’t wait to see how it plays out. With the solid picks of tre, dion, and milano we might be going somewhere if they land a decent qb. Sanders didn't lose him because of speed, he lost him because he was caught ball watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Magox said: Sanders didn't lose him because of speed, he lost him because he was caught ball watching. I though guys like Cooks, Sanders, Green would eat his lunch all day. Glad to be wrong. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Magox said: Not quite. As much as I love the structure of this defense and our secondary, we need 4-5 new players on our front 7. We BADLY need a DE that can get pass pressure to go along with Hughes. We will need 2 DT's, (K. Williams won't be around too much longer). And from my perspective, we need 2 more LB's, to replace P. Brown and L. Alexander. I expect a major overhaul of our front 7 next year. I am not suggesting that there will not be replacements. Those you have listed will likely be replaced with equal talent or maybe slightly better talent through mid level FA pickups. An elite LB and DT, probably through the draft, will make this D exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Magox said: Not quite. As much as I love the structure of this defense and our secondary, we need 4-5 new players on our front 7. We BADLY need a DE that can get pass pressure to go along with Hughes. We will need 2 DT's, (K. Williams won't be around too much longer). And from my perspective, we need 2 more LB's, to replace P. Brown and L. Alexander. I expect a major overhaul of our front 7 next year. There will for sure be an overhaul in the front 7, but hard to imagine it will be worse than this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Don’t need Tyrod lovers to get all huffy up in here go to nfl.com. Click on offense, then defense. Offense comes in at 302 ypg for 29th. Defense ranked 7th. The bills defense is 26th in yds against. Just an FYI so This is 100% false. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: I though guys like Cooks, Sanders, Green would eat his lunch all day. Glad to be wrong. ???? Well AJ Green destroyed white that game haha. That was probably whites one bad game as a pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: There will for sure be an overhaul in the front 7, but hard to imagine it will be worse than this year I expect it to be better. Much better. I hope Detroit doesn't re-sign Ziggy Ansah, I think he'd be a great addition to our front 7. Get somebody like him and another quality FA DT, draft a DT and couple LB's and now we are in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: The bills defense is 26th in yds against. Just an FYI Lol whose picking stats to make a point now ? They have them ranked 7th in overall defense by some metric. I’m not 100% sure what the formula is they use. Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: 29th for your boy TT. Which, like i stated in your other post, is not good. The bills defense is 26th in yds. Pretty good right? Just now, Teddy KGB said: Lol whose picking stats to make a point now ? They have them ranked 7th in overall defense by some metric. I’m not 100% sure what the formula is they use. Go Bills. Are you this dense?!?! You just said YPG!!!!! Go and look at your post. You said the bills offense was getting 301 ypg to be ranked 29th and then said the bills d is 7th i was literally going off what you said. Wow dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: The bills defense is 26th in yds. Pretty good right? Yards don’t matter #cot only losers pass for 300 yards ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Don’t need Tyrod lovers to get all huffy up in here go to nfl.com. Click on offense, then defense. Offense comes in at 302 ypg for 29th. Defense ranked 7th. Gonna quote this again so you see how ridiculous you are being. You clearly use YPG for the offense and then say the defense is 7th. Explain to me where I wa nit picking stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: The bills defense is 26th in yds. Pretty good right? Are you this dense?!?! You just said YPG!!!!! Go and look at your post. You said the bills offense was getting 301 ypg to be ranked 29th and then said the bills d is 7th i was literally going off what you said. Wow dude. I said nothing of defense yards but I see how you could interpret that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Yards don’t matter #cot only losers pass for 300 yards ?? You are seriously awful. Like... just the worst. 3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: I said nothing of defense yards but I see how you could interpret that. Do you understand how stupid it is to use one stat for the offense but a completely different one for the defense. It proves my point that you were doing what I said you were. Nit picking stats to try and prove a good point. Why in in gods name would somebody reference the bills are ranked 29th in yds and then compare it in the next sentence with a completely different ranking for the defense? 2 reasons. A) their really dumb and don’t get his enormously idiot that is. B)they have an agenda and are picking and choosing stats to prove a weak point. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: Gonna quote this again so you see how ridiculous you are being. You clearly use YPG for the offense and then say the defense is 7th. Explain to me where I wa nit picking stats? Here you go, read it and make your own assumptions. I called you a nitpicker because you came in guns blazing about cherry picked stats. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conf=ALL&role=TM after you go to the bottom of the offenses to see the Bills click the defense Tab and they are at the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Wait I'm confused. What is our D 7th in? NFL.com has us at 26th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerx Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 They rank 7th alright... 7th MOST yards allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: B)they have an agenda and are picking and choosing stats to prove a weak point. Explain to me why NFL.com has the Bills offense at 29 and defense at 7th please ? My agenda is using numbers provided by the national football leagues official website? Break em down for me hotshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerx Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Explain to me why NFL.com has the Bills offense at 29 and defense at 7th please ? My agenda is using numbers provided by the national football leagues official website? Break em down for me hotshot. Easy, it's sorted by MOST yards allowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Explain to me why NFL.com has the Bills offense at 29 and defense at 7th please ? My agenda is using numbers provided by the national football leagues official website? Break em down for me hotshot. You were in yards per game for the offense and I have no clue what that other stat is for the defense but let’s try and compare the same stats for each side no matter what we do please. Or not. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Madness Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Here you go, read it and make your own assumptions. I called you a nitpicker because you came in guns blazing about cherry picked stats. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conf=ALL&role=TM after you go to the bottom of the offenses to see the Bills click the defense Tab and they are at the top Agreed, this is deceptive. You pick one stat and measure or you clearly state what stats you are grading on. And to make it even better, you get combative when someone points out what you are doing. #foxnewsdatametrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: Wait I'm confused. What is our D 7th in? NFL.com has us at 26th... Looks like a 7 to me http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?conference=null&statisticCategory=GAME_STATS&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=2&role=OPP Just now, Westside Madness said: Agreed, this is deceptive. You pick one stat and measure or you clearly state what stats you are grading on. And to make it even better, you get combative when someone points out what you are doing. #foxnewsdatametrics Apologies for nfl.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Magox said: I expect it to be better. Much better. I hope Detroit doesn't re-sign Ziggy Ansah, I think he'd be a great addition to our front 7. Get somebody like him and another quality FA DT, draft a DT and couple LB's and now we are in business. Ya agreed. It should be very exciting to watch them next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Idk what’s up with nfl.com but clearly their spreadsheets for team defense rankings is not sorting properly. I see they have Tampa at 1 ??♂️ Idk. Thought they had their stuff together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Honestly and i know i'm not the only one, but i never would have thought that we would make it into the playoffs with this roster...........on paper, it kind of looks like acquisitions purchased at a flea market and yard sale. I know our roster still has a long way to go, but it looks like we've got a pretty solid foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: 29th for your boy TT. Which, like i stated in your other post, is not good. if not for shady?.....omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Xerx said: Easy, it's sorted by MOST yards allowed. Which makes no sense, tbh. Apologies for the error. Top Defense rankings shouldn’t be listed backwards. Fire Goodell ! Edited January 2, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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