Tyrod Taylor: Playoff QB

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

 

He was also a big part of it almost not happening. His inability to produce anything even remotely resembling a barely functional passing offense cost them several games, and that includes the Chargers game. 

 

Almost only works in horse shoes and hand grenades

 

We made the playoffs yet now you complain we almost didn't. .  You're starting to sound silly.

2 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

I don't think It is Peterman, he just was the person who happened to be the QB who took Tyrod's job. Therefore the wrath of 26 has to come down on him.Wait until next year when when another QB has Tyrod's job and he will be the same as he was with Peterman.

 

Surely Nasty Nate having the worst half of football since the NFL/AFL merger had nothing to do with it.

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Who? EJ Manuel? 

 

That was the worst QB class in years. 

 

Im talking first round QBs. I didn't say it was easy, but the Bills don't take chances on em. What's that expression? You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

 

JP Losman

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Part of not THE team. 

 

Cheers ? . 

I dont think anyone is debating that

 

All for future options.....but what is to say that said qb will also not be THE team.

 

Tyrod doesnt have great stats.....he does some boneheaded things at times......he doesnt throw into coverage....nor does he throw receivers open....but he DOES protect the ball and give the team another threat on the field......he is doing what he is being asked to do.

32 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Ha. "a QB should not be forced to be a pocket passer"

 

The lack of football knowledge is embarrassing

Agreed......get some please

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I'm not criticizing the guy for not going for 450+ every game. Hell, I've given up entirely on Tyrod's quest for 300. But the multiple sub-100 yard performances, coupled with the multiple games with only 3 points scored was a new level of bad for the Bills offense. I don't care what system Rico throws Tyrod in. He should be able to complete 10 passes for an average of 10 yards each. 

 

You just can't let this go, can you?

 

Its your ace in the hole so to speak.

[Teddy KGB]

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

You just can't let this go, can you?

 

Its your ace in the hole so to speak.

 

Why would you want to let it go ?   It’s why he must be gone next year.   

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I have said I understand why teams get conservative and for good reason.  

 

I want to see TT drop back and pass the ball immediately, with anticipation to throw his guy open and not hesitate even a fraction of a sec and be too conservative.

 

3rd down #’s are way up yet red zone #’s are way down.   

 

Why is that?   

 

How can they be aggressive on 3rd and not RZ?  

 

I dont think it’s all on the play calling but the operator running said play.  

 

 

Taylor was great in the red zone last year... soooooo willing to admit you might be wrong yet?

[paulbills]

Oh god, this is exactly what I feared was going to happen, we sneak in by the skin of our teeth and now Tyrod is a savior QB that needs to stick around another year... you guys really are a head scratching bunch, I guess the "comprehensive tyrod taylor is bad thread" wasn't enough to convince you guys otherwise? 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

....OR are the offensive rankings so poor because we rank near the bottom of the league in 3-and-outs due to Tyrod not being a consistent enough passer to maintain an efficient offense...ergo, the coaches call more consevative plays because they don’t trust Tyrod 

 

Except Taylor is 12th out of 37 QBs in the NFL as a QB on 3rd down in passing.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year=2017

[grb]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Thompson is not abysmal.  And neither is Shady.  Tyrod can make plays occasionally but isn't consistent enough to do it regularly and make himself a franchise QB.

 

Desperation is using a practice squad castoff like Thompson to "prove" the Bills have a NFL-grade set of receivers. Deonte has played well given his chance and more power to him, but that's just getting inside the door compared to other team's situations. If you look at the season-end NFL stats, Taylor is 16th by passer rating (not QBR). Just above him is Matt Ryan, who has much, much better targets to throw to. Just below Taylor is Dak Prescott, who has an o-line TT can only dream of plus better targets to throw to. Next comes Andy Dalton - who has AJ Green - and Derek Carr w/ Cooper, Crabtree, Cordarrelle, and Cook (to indulge in a bit of alliteration). 

 

Of course point out something that screaming-obvious and you'll inevitably hear "Taylor couldn't take advantage, etc, etc, etc" The problem with that response?

 

Over 2015 & 2016, Taylor had a real pair of NFL receivers only the 15 games total with both Watkins & Woods playing. 

When that occurred he did this : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

 

Edited January 2, 2018 by grb

[JaCrispy]

11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Except Taylor is 12th out of 37 QBs in the NFL as a QB on 3rd down in passing.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year=2017

Yeah, you’re right...Tyrod can carry the team to the super bowl....what was I thinking? 

[bobobonators]

15 minutes ago, grb said:

 

Desperation is using a practice squad castoff like Thompson to "prove" the Bills have a NFL-grade set of receivers. Deonte has played well given his chance and more power to him, but that's just getting inside the door compared to other team's situations. If you look at the season-end NFL stats, Taylor is 16th by passer rating (not QBR). Just above him is Matt Ryan, who has much, much better targets to throw to. Just below Taylor is Dak Prescott, who has an o-line TT can only dream of plus better targets to throw to. Next comes Andy Dalton - who has AJ Green - and Derek Carr w/ Cooper, Crabtree, Cordarrelle, and Cook (to indulge in a bit of alliteration). 

 

Of course point out something that screaming-obvious and you'll inevitably hear "Taylor couldn't take advantage, etc, etc, etc" The problem with that response?

 

Over 2015 & 2016, Taylor had a real pair of NFL receivers only the 15 games total with both Watkins & Woods playing. 

When that occurred he did this : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

 

Bump

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, PolishDave said:

 

Ok Crusher.  Whatever you say.

 

Holy friggin balls!!!!

 

twoandfourteen is totally Crusher!!!

 

Mind officially blown!

 

Lesson learned in this thread is that you can't fix stupid, even with a new username.

 

a Crusher by any other name, like twoandfourteen, is still the stupidly stubborn Crusher just like a Ryan L Bills/ Maury Baulstein/ AiritoutFitzy by any other name, like Teddy KGB, is still the childishly simple RLBills/ MB/ AioFitzy thinking he "pantsed" everyone in an argument.

 

Too funny, and a little sad.

[John from Riverside]

I refuse to base my opinion of TT on passing yards......

 

If you want to say that he cannot work primarily from the pocket.....I agree with you

 

If you want to say that he does not throw WR's open....I agree with you

 

If you want to say that he misses open receivers....I agree with you as long as you understand that all qbs do that

 

But I am not going to listen to a arguement against TT based off passing yards when we just made the playoffs after trading away a lot of our blue chip players on both sides of the ball

[BananaB]

 We need to improve at QB.... No one can deny that. 

 

I bet every Bills fan around the world is happy the most important drive of our season was not put on Taylor’s shoulders..... Thank you Andy....It’s a great feeling to get in the playoffs, but we need our own QB we can depend on to keep moving forward.

Edited January 2, 2018 by BananaB

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

As I've said all year... The Bills go into a shell on offense when they get a lead. 

 

Its by design. Most fans here who blamed that on Tyrod were either wasted during the game or not even watching the game and just checking the box score.

 

Its McDermotts style. Ultra conservative Jauron ball. Get a lead, maintain it and play defense. 

 

That style of play is a big reason for why the offensive rankings are so poor.

 

 

 

That design has worked. With a 10 point lead at any stage the Bills are 6-0. Where we still need to improve is how we play from behind and there Tyrod has to get better as well. 

Edited January 2, 2018 by GunnerBill

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Like I've said, you just don't get it.

 

I've been patient with you and tried explaining this in many different ways, but you've been lost to the ways of the Dark side. 

 

I'm not going to argue this point anymore with you. Your disdain for Taylor and your overt extremism regarding him has accelerated in the last couple months and there's just absolutely no hope for bringing you to reality.

Like I've said, you just don't get it.

 

You will not change peoples minds.   

 

The Dark side is beautiful.  You were tempted a number of times and you even admitted a number of times  ---  We need more at QB than what we have!

Beyond the slow week and entertainment of Hanging Chad, you don't see me "arguing" with as many people as I used to. 

5 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

I refuse to base my opinion of TT on passing yards......

 

If you want to say that he cannot work primarily from the pocket.....I agree with you

 

If you want to say that he does not throw WR's open....I agree with you

 

If you want to say that he misses open receivers....I agree with you as long as you understand that all qbs do that

 

But I am not going to listen to a arguement against TT based off passing yards when we just made the playoffs after trading away a lot of our blue chip players on both sides of the ball

And this good sir is why I say stats in the NFL are useless.  

 

500 yard passing games lose and 100 yard passing games win.  It comes down to how effective you play the full 60 minutes. 

 

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Except Taylor is 12th out of 37 QBs in the NFL as a QB on 3rd down in passing.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year=2017

What about the RED ZONE production!?!?!?!?! 

 

How many fewer trips have the Bills made into the Red Zone?  With House $ 's records - a lot less.

[billieve420]

In the latest Peter King MMQB there is an interested nugget about Josh Allen.

 

“I heard this from a veteran college scout, a man who was one of the first to trumpet Carson Wentz as a high first-rounder during his final season at North Dakota State, on the fate of the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, and on what Cleveland GM John Dorsey might do: “I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen. This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.””

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/01/buffalo-bills-playoffs-black-monday-jon-gruden-mmqb-peter-king

Edited January 2, 2018 by billieve420

[twoandfourteen]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

You just can't let this go, can you?

 

Its your ace in the hole so to speak.

 

So, because these games show just how low the floor can be with Taylor and what an absolute liability he can be in the passing game. 

 

No, he won't throw any INTs... but he also won't throw for any yards or touchdowns, either.

 

Not exactly a recipe for sustained success in the NFL. It worked this year, and all it took was Andy Dalton making the most clutch throw of Tyrod Taylor's career. 

[Doc]

6 hours ago, grb said:

 

Desperation is using a practice squad castoff like Thompson to "prove" the Bills have a NFL-grade set of receivers. Deonte has played well given his chance and more power to him, but that's just getting inside the door compared to other team's situations. If you look at the season-end NFL stats, Taylor is 16th by passer rating (not QBR). Just above him is Matt Ryan, who has much, much better targets to throw to. Just below Taylor is Dak Prescott, who has an o-line TT can only dream of plus better targets to throw to. Next comes Andy Dalton - who has AJ Green - and Derek Carr w/ Cooper, Crabtree, Cordarrelle, and Cook (to indulge in a bit of alliteration). 

 

Of course point out something that screaming-obvious and you'll inevitably hear "Taylor couldn't take advantage, etc, etc, etc" The problem with that response?

 

Over 2015 & 2016, Taylor had a real pair of NFL receivers only the 15 games total with both Watkins & Woods playing. 

When that occurred he did this : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

 

 

TT's deficiencies as a passer are well-documented.  I don't know if it's a matter of being terrified of turning the ball over or lack of anticipation, but he leaves too many plays on the field.

[HappyDays]

57 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

It the latest Peter King MMQB there is an interested nugget about Josh Allen.

 

“I heard this from a veteran college scout, a man who was one of the first to trumpet Carson Wentz as a high first-rounder during his final season at North Dakota State, on the fate of the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, and on what Cleveland GM John Dorsey might do: “I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen. This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.””

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/01/buffalo-bills-playoffs-black-monday-jon-gruden-mmqb-peter-king

 

I really hope this is true. It would be hilarious and would make things easier for the Bills.

[Stank_Nasty]

52 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

So, because these games show just how low the floor can be with Taylor and what an absolute liability he can be in the passing game. 

 

No, he won't throw any INTs... but he also won't throw for any yards or touchdowns, either.

 

Not exactly a recipe for sustained success in the NFL. It worked this year, and all it took was Andy Dalton making the most clutch throw of Tyrod Taylor's career. 

It took the bills doing what they needed to over the course of a full 16 games and the ravens didn’t. 

 

You state a page ago you aren’t saying that play is the reason they got in but yet you’ve brought it up over and over and over. 

 

You are honestly a shameful creature. You literally look for any back door you can to undercut what happened. The last 2 days have shown me a lot of certain people on this board. Thank god the fellow fans that surround me here at home are nothing like the jokes on this board.

 

And btw. Using 2 sub100 ya games is a stupidly small sample size to form an argument on a player. I don’t understand how people don’t realize how pathetic they look when they do that. Those games are the exception. Not the rule. Why do people think it makes any sense to base whole arguments for a player off of them. 

Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty