Stank_Nasty Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: This is practically the definition of "splitting hairs", ladies & gentlemen. This is true. Taylor was, in fact, the starting QB of the first Bills team to make the playoffs in nearly two decades. I give Taylor full credit for that. It's also undeniable that Andy Dalton -- a legitimate starting QB -- actually threw the 49 yard TD pass that put the Bills in the playoffs. So, it's not quite the same as a real starting QB "leading his team" to the playoffs... but I'll gladly take what I can get after all this time. Taylor did what he needed to do yesterday and everything worked out for us all. It's a nice change of pace, right? This is pure garbage. If the dalton play happens a month ago nobody is using this BS excuse. The bills and Taylor won the games that mattered to get in Flacco and the ravens didn’t and havnt very often since their SB run. What a a crock of BS dude. You have no shame. It’s embarassing. Edited January 1, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: This is practically the definition of "splitting hairs", ladies & gentlemen. Not really because his .535 winning percentage equates to about 8.5 wins a year. One year is 8-8 and the next 9-7 (on average). That’s the difference between the playoffs and being home (again). In a league where 11 teams finished between 7 & 9 wins, a half game matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: This is pure garbage. If the dalton play happens a month ago nobody is using this BS excuse. The bills and Taylor won the games that mattered to get in Flacco and the ravens didn’t and havnt very often since their SB run. What a a crock of BS dude. You have no shame. It’s embarassing. I agree with the Dalton point, but you have to agree the Bills had a lot of luck go their way in close games especially early in the season. Just off the top of my head Von Miller not helping Tyrod up and Tre White's "fumble" TD come to mind. Also, it's a weak year in the AFC, can't count on that every year. If Houston doesn't have all those injuries they're probably in instead of us. Do you want to bank on that every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chemical said: I agree with the Dalton point, but you have to agree the Bills had a lot of luck go their way in close games especially early in the season. Just off the top of my head Von Miller not helping Tyrod up and Tre White's "fumble" TD come to mind. Also, it's a weak year in the AFC, can't count on that every year. If Houston doesn't have all those injuries they're probably in instead of us. Do you want to bank on that every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Looks like the haterade brigade came out again to play. Protect tyrod at all costs; disparage McDermott's philosophy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If Ifs were Fifths we’d all be drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Looks like the haterade brigade came out again to play. Protect tyrod at all costs; disparage McDermott's philosophy. It’s not either/or. It’s both!! Just enjoy it Just now, YoloinOhio said: If Ifs were Fifths we’d all be drunk We aren’t? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: It’s not either/or. It’s both!! Just enjoy it Oh, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying ALL of this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Chemical said: I agree with the Dalton point, but you have to agree the Bills had a lot of luck go their way in close games especially early in the season. Just off the top of my head Von Miller not helping Tyrod up and Tre White's "fumble" TD come to mind. Also, it's a weak year in the AFC, can't count on that every year. If Houston doesn't have all those injuries they're probably in instead of us. Do you want to bank on that every year? It’s about time they got some good luck though. How many years have the Bills have had bad luck and missed out on the playoffs because of that.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Oh, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying ALL of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Looks like the haterade brigade came out again to play. Protect tyrod at all costs; disparage McDermott's philosophy. I’ve stated that I think the whole Taylor going into a shell notion may have something to do with the game plan once they are up 3 scores like in both the fins games recently. But by no means am I disparaging the philosophy. I think it’s a solid way to win games when up big. But people need to stop putting it solely on the players when they see it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: As I've said all year... The Bills go into a shell on offense when they get a lead. Its by design. Most fans here who blamed that on Tyrod were either wasted during the game or not even watching the game and just checking the box score. Its McDermotts style. Ultra conservative Jauron ball. Get a lead, maintain it and play defense. That style of play is a big reason for why the offensive rankings are so poor. ....OR are the offensive rankings so poor because we rank near the bottom of the league in 3-and-outs due to Tyrod not being a consistent enough passer to maintain an efficient offense...ergo, the coaches call more consevative plays because they don’t trust Tyrod Edited January 2, 2018 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not really because his .535 winning percentage equates to about 8.5 wins a year. One year is 8-8 and the next 9-7 (on average). That’s the difference between the playoffs and being home (again). In a league where 11 teams finished between 7 & 9 wins, a half game matters. Super. You have fun with Tyrod and the 7 to 9 wins you'll get every year. But at least he won't throw many INTs. I'm looking for a QB that can win 11,12 or 13. Safe to say, that isn't happening ever for Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: This guy claimed a couple days ago joe Webb was a more viable option than Taylor at this point. Just so everyone knows what you’re dealing with if you get into any sort of spat with him. JOE MF’ing WEBB. I sure did. Also, to clarify before my man here moves the goalposts again, it wasn't that JW was a "more viable" option than Taylor. It was simply, he was a "viable" option at the position. Obviously, Taylor is a better QB than Joe Webb. But that wasn't the question. And, oddly enough, you never responded to my explanation. This game isn't much fun if you're not going to play along. I'll go ahead and re-post it here for your convenience. Feel free to respond at your leisure. Is it really though? Remember, we're talking about "viable", not "ideal" or even "good". Tyrod Taylor is responsible for creating a crisis at the most important position on the field. There is no argument against that. There is no BS obscure stat that can excuse it. He was terrible against the Saints. The offense was terrible as a result. It also wasn't the first time this year that he has run the offense right into the ground. So yes, even ol' Joe Webb became a "viable" option at the position... because he has taken NFL snaps before and the production couldn't really get much worse than 56 passing yards and a FG. That is what Taylor had done to the Bills passing game and offense as a whole at that point in the season. Joe Webb also happens to have playoff experience as a starting QB in the NFL, as I'm sure you probably know. Taylor does not have that, by the way. I had to look it up, but interestingly enough, his stat line from that playoff start should look awfully familiar.... 11/30 180 yards 1TD and 1INT. Around here, there are guys who are ready to put a bust of you in Canton for putting up 180 and a TD. Let's also give JW credit for taking the wheel in a historic blizzard and leading the Bills to a win that will go down as one of the most memorable ever at the Ralph. At the end of the day though, he's not a good QB. He probably shouldn't ever take another snap. So yes, I will absolutely claim that after Tyrod's multiple abysmal performances this year, culminating with the 56'er he put up against NO... all options at QB became "viable", even Joe Webb. That's what happens when things get desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: We actually don't rank near the bottom of the league in 3 and outs. They are in the top 5 and are close to the best in the league in not going 3 and out. ? According to football outsiders we rank 24th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Super. You have fun with Tyrod and the 7 to 9 wins you'll get every year. But at least he won't throw many INTs. I'm looking for a QB that can win 11,12 or 13. Safe to say, that isn't happening ever for Taylor. Did you really change your avatar to a list of QBs sorted by passing yards?!? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I sure did. Also, to clarify before my man here moves the goalposts again, it wasn't that JW was a "more viable" option than Taylor. It was simply, he was a "viable" option at the position. Obviously, Taylor is a better QB than Joe Webb. But that wasn't the question. And, oddly enough, you never responded to my explanation. This game isn't much fun if you're not going to play along. I'll go ahead and re-post it here for your convenience. Feel free to respond at your leisure. Is it really though? Remember, we're talking about "viable", not "ideal" or even "good". Tyrod Taylor is responsible for creating a crisis at the most important position on the field. There is no argument against that. There is no BS obscure stat that can excuse it. He was terrible against the Saints. The offense was terrible as a result. It also wasn't the first time this year that he has run the offense right into the ground. So yes, even ol' Joe Webb became a "viable" option at the position... because he has taken NFL snaps before and the production couldn't really get much worse than 56 passing yards and a FG. That is what Taylor had done to the Bills passing game and offense as a whole at that point in the season. Joe Webb also happens to have playoff experience as a starting QB in the NFL, as I'm sure you probably know. Taylor does not have that, by the way. I had to look it up, but interestingly enough, his stat line from that playoff start should look awfully familiar.... 11/30 180 yards 1TD and 1INT. Around here, there are guys who are ready to put a bust of you in Canton for putting up 180 and a TD. Let's also give JW credit for taking the wheel in a historic blizzard and leading the Bills to a win that will go down as one of the most memorable ever at the Ralph. At the end of the day though, he's not a good QB. He probably shouldn't ever take another snap. So yes, I will absolutely claim that after Tyrod's multiple abysmal performances this year, culminating with the 56'er he put up against NO... all options at QB became "viable", even Joe Webb. That's what happens when things get desperate. You claimed “even joe Webb is a viable alternative to Taylor.” In the initial post I responded to. Claiming he’s a viable alternative to what we have is in fact claiming he’s at least on par with Taylor. I’m annoyed I even need to explain that to you. Geez. And im not gonna humor the post with a response becuz it’s a god awful notion. ESPECIALLY when you clearly just stated he’s not as good as Taylor. So no... he’s not a viable alternative. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: According to football outsiders we rank 24th Maybe the source of confusion is the Third Down Conversion Rate, where the Bills ended the season sixth-best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Comic relief. You still know nothing. One QB (Peterman) in his pants when facing pressure while the other (Tyrod) offten escapes pressure to make positive plays. Your analysis is juvenile and silly. RLBillZ on his third identify. 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: As I've said all year... The Bills go into a shell on offense when they get a lead. Its by design. Most fans here who blamed that on Tyrod were either wasted during the game or not even watching the game and just checking the box score. Its McDermotts style. Ultra conservative Jauron ball. Get a lead, maintain it and play defense. That style of play is a big reason for why the offensive rankings are so poor. It's not a bad strategy when you know you can't win a shootout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Some are starting to come around to Tyrod because the Bills are in the playoffs. Those same fans were going to basically throw Tyrod under the bus if they missed the playoffs. The mentality is basically blame Tyrod in losses and give him some credit when they win. It's asinine. If people think the Bills are in the playoffs because of Tyrod hen they need to have a sit down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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