Paulus Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 47 minutes ago, row_33 said: It was possibly the first time I have seen the ball extended like that on 4th and short where it clearly got to the yellow line, usually it’s too crowded to get that view romo was on that immediately That's not how it works though. One doesn't just break the plane of a first down marker, then pull the ball back, and get given the first down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Apparently that is exactly how it works, Paul’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 What really pissed me off was the ref didn’t even say when the pass was incomplete on the Benjamin overturn. He just said, it’s incomplete. NFL needs to crack down and make these guys explain why they are making certain calls. You call DPI, then you need to say defensive pass interference number whatever, he face guard the receiver and never turned for the ball, spot foul automatic first down. If the official can’t tell you why it was DPI then the flag should be picked up, whether it really was a foul or not. 50 minutes ago, Paulus said: That's not how it works though. One doesn't just break the plane of a first down marker, then pull the ball back, and get given the first down. That’s how it worked in the Cowboy game against the Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: Figured Tyrod would get blamed, what else is new. What???? Tyrod took a 15 yard sack on first down. So terrible that's rookie stuff. Throw the ball away you dip stick McCoy had some heartless runs. Clay with the dropped TD pass... tyrod terrible as usual. Let's not forget Dennison and Tolbert. But ALL that BS aside we were in this game with momentum on our side until the refs crushed it out of us. It's all about big money tv ratings and contract negotiations. You don't leave 100s of millions of dollars up to "chance". You manipulate things in your favor to make $$$ and the NFL has gotten a lot greedier lately. Too bad they are all stupid because these types of things are the reason WHY the ratings are tanking, not player protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Remember the thread someone started about how Belichick will cut any player who extends the ball on a play? Um, yeah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Ref's got it so wrong in this and the drop overturn. So upset about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 hours ago, BillsRdue said: it's all f'kin bull **** at this point. Close calls go to the Pats all the time. And their smug ass fans just laugh and justify that everyone else is a crybaby. Someone better spank these f'kers down soon. Their fans are ridiculous. That's what infuriates me even more with these ridiculous calls. Their fans think they are deserved and correct. It defies logic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 12 hours ago, Sweats said: At the end of the day, we lost...........we lost whether the play was made on 4th down or not. We lost. Maybe we win if these game changing calls went our way? No way of knowing what happens next if these calls were in our favor....to say we would have lost anyway is incorrect. We have a TD and the lead and confidence at halftime...stop them on 4th down...maybe we score after that play.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 During the game I thought they got 4th and 1 overturn of the call on the field correct and didn't think much about it. But people are absolutely right about this - breaking the plane is not the rule on a first down. Outside the end zone, the ball is spotted where the ball is when the ball carrier is down by contact. The only exception is when the ball carrier is pushed backward by the defender before going down, then the ball carrier gets his forward progress. On that play it seemed completely clear that the ball carrier thrust the ball forward and then pulled it back. It's the same is if a receiver catches the ball, crosses the line to gain, then cuts back to avoid a tackler and gets dropped behind the line to gain. No first down. So unless it was clear that the runner was down at the exact instant when he thrust the ball out, he doesn't get that spot. And there was no way to tell when his knee actually was down; it could have been down before he thrust the ball out. So the play has to stand as called on the field. The only other argument could be that he thrust the ball out and then the Bills pushed him back, but I didn't see any evidence of that. As for whether it made a difference, we'll never know. But the Bills had just scored to open the second half, and this play meant the Bills had stopped the Pats on their first possession of the half. That's big. And having the lead in the second half is big. Especially when you put it together with the Benjamin call, that's a seven point swing at an important point in the game. Bills should have been up 7 with the ball half-way through the third quarter. Everything could have been different after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Just now, Shaw66 said: During the game I thought they got 4th and 1 overturn of the call on the field correct and didn't think much about it. But people are absolutely right about this - breaking the plane is not the rule on a first down. Outside the end zone, the ball is spotted where the ball is when the ball carrier is down by contact. The only exception is when the ball carrier is pushed backward by the defender before going down, then the ball carrier gets his forward progress. On that play it seemed completely clear that the ball carrier thrust the ball forward and then pulled it back. It's the same is if a receiver catches the ball, crosses the line to gain, then cuts back to avoid a tackler and gets dropped behind the line to gain. No first down. So unless it was clear that the runner was down at the exact instant when he thrust the ball out, he doesn't get that spot. And there was no way to tell when his knee actually was down; it could have been down before he thrust the ball out. So the play has to stand as called on the field. The only other argument could be that he thrust the ball out and then the Bills pushed him back, but I didn't see any evidence of that. As for whether it made a difference, we'll never know. But the Bills had just scored to open the second half, and this play meant the Bills had stopped the Pats on their first possession of the half. That's big. And having the lead in the second half is big. Especially when you put it together with the Benjamin call, that's a seven point swing at an important point in the game. Bills should have been up 7 with the ball half-way through the third quarter. Everything could have been different after that. Corect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 ....from the former Head of Officiating himself, Mike Periera... "regarding the Buffalo no touchdown, nothing more irritating to an official than to make a great call and then someone in a suit in an office in New York incorrectly reverses it. It is more and more obvious that there isn't a standard for staying with the call on the field. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 25, 2017 Author Share Posted December 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: During the game I thought they got 4th and 1 overturn of the call on the field correct and didn't think much about it. But people are absolutely right about this - breaking the plane is not the rule on a first down. Outside the end zone, the ball is spotted where the ball is when the ball carrier is down by contact. The only exception is when the ball carrier is pushed backward by the defender before going down, then the ball carrier gets his forward progress. On that play it seemed completely clear that the ball carrier thrust the ball forward and then pulled it back. It's the same is if a receiver catches the ball, crosses the line to gain, then cuts back to avoid a tackler and gets dropped behind the line to gain. No first down. So unless it was clear that the runner was down at the exact instant when he thrust the ball out, he doesn't get that spot. And there was no way to tell when his knee actually was down; it could have been down before he thrust the ball out. So the play has to stand as called on the field. The only other argument could be that he thrust the ball out and then the Bills pushed him back, but I didn't see any evidence of that. As for whether it made a difference, we'll never know. But the Bills had just scored to open the second half, and this play meant the Bills had stopped the Pats on their first possession of the half. That's big. And having the lead in the second half is big. Especially when you put it together with the Benjamin call, that's a seven point swing at an important point in the game. Bills should have been up 7 with the ball half-way through the third quarter. Everything could have been different after that. you are absolutely correct. Using time travel theory. When you go back and change something it changes everything that comes after. "everything WOULD have been different after that" For all we know Bills up 7 at that point could have gone on to score another 21 straight and rode home with a punishing defensive ending. We will never know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 It was a lot more enjoyable when a real Bills GM drafted and traded and signed great players and built a team with Kelly that beat the pus out of opponents and didn’t have to cry about the refs every week maybe try to build a winner again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, row_33 said: It was a lot more enjoyable when a real Bills GM drafted and traded and signed great players and built a team with Kelly that beat the pus out of opponents and didn’t have to cry about the refs every week maybe try to build a winner again? Lame response 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Paul Costa said: You really come out of the game feeling cheated!! The Patriots are the best team in football and are impossible to beat when the refs are clearly on their side!! Frustrating !! ? I can live with losing to the greatest qb and coach in the history of sports. But why is the NFL so compelled to help them. Do they somehow generate more revenue than the other elite teams like Dallas or Pittsburg? Giving them obvious favoritism is like telling Usain Bolt he gets a 10 yard headstart.... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Things are not going to change until teams like Dallas and Pittsburgh get screwed. The Bills hold no clout in the Owners meetings. You're seeing some rumblings with Jerry Jones confronting the Goodell contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I can live with losing to the greatest qb and coach in the history of sports. But why is the NFL so compelled to help them. Do they somehow generate more revenue than the other elite teams like Dallas or Pittsburg? Giving them obvious favoritism is like telling Usain Bolt he gets a 10 yard headstart.... . Take away the bias calls (tuck rule) and the Patriots likely don't have a couple of their Super Bowls at least. Are they really the best in history after that? Tack on their cheating ways, and they will always be tainted. Edited December 25, 2017 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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