billsredneck1 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: The worst and I mean the worst thing you can do is look at stats when it comes to college QBs. Many college systems inflate the statistics of a QB and some teams can either inflate or deflate a QBs statistics based on the personnel around them. To evaluate a college QB, you have to watch them play. Numbers simply do not say enough. Even the play on the field sometimes isn't enough. You have to look at if the player is a leader and how he controls/runs the offense or if he is just a product of a system. Not trying to bash you or anything of the sort but the eye test is much better to go off of than any numbers and even the eye test isn't enough. That's why drafting QBs is such a crap shoot and an undefined science. i get it and admit i have only watched a bit of mayfield and next to none on rudolph, but i will watch the bowl games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: I wonder if there will be another pre-draft trade in this draft as there have been in the past. I expect both the Giants and Cleveland to draft a QB in those spots but who knows. We shall see. I'm sure the FO will look under every rock to find our next QB. Hopefully, it works out. Indy will certainly get a few phone calls from us this year even if it isn't about Luck. That situation is certainly one to keep an eye on and we would have the ammo if they decided to take their next QB at 3 and fill out the rest of the roster by what they get in a deal for Luck...that's a dream scenario though. It'll be a wild offseason though. This board is going to go nuts no matter what we do haha I agree. Buffalo has too much ammo not to use it for a qb. If they dont get a qb in the draft or fa my patients will be out with the new regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Best case scenario we move up to #2 with Indy or San Fran and take Darnold or Rosen. Josh Allen would be ideal if we stay put. Mayfield, Jackson and everyone else I'd roll the dice on in second round because it would be easier to disengage if they looked cruddy. First round QBs are a 2-3 year investment and I don't think we should just hitch our wagon to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: QBs on Kiper's Big Board. 4. *Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA Previous rank: 2 5. **Sam Darnold, QB, Southern California Previous rank: 5 11. *Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming Previous rank: 6 13. Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma Previous rank: NR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MILFHUNTER#518 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Or they could do this... http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/12/espn_insider_projects_alex_smith_as_buffalo_bills_2018_starting_quarterback.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/13/2017 at 10:58 AM, jrober38 said: I'm not a huge fan of mortgaging the future for the third best QB prospect in a draft class. Odds are they're not going to work out. For giggles I went thru the list of the 3rd QB taken in last 20 draft classes. There's some slim pickings there with the notable exception of Ben Roethlesberger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: For giggles I went thru the list of the 3rd QB taken in last 20 draft classes. There's some slim pickings there with the notable exception of Ben Roethlesberger Statistics have no effect on the quality of the actual draft class. Maybe this is the exception. We better hope so, because I can't see any rational way to grab Rosen or Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) On 12/13/2017 at 12:36 PM, Bakin said: I strongly believe we should sit where we are and let the draft fall to us. We need a lot of quality players and with 4 top 60 picks we should take them all. It's a good year for this. BPA BPA BPA BPA has nothing but screwed this team 4-ever. You draft BPA when you actually have a QB, not the other way around. Edited December 16, 2017 by Real McCoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Real McCoy said: BPA has nothing but screwed this team 4-ever. You draft BPA when you actually have a QB, not the other way around. It’s not the strategy - it’s the scouting and coaching. Taking BPA is a great strategy. So long as you actually know who BPA is. Drafting for need is the strategy that has actually hurt this team the most. It leads to reaching and selecting players based on position rather than board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Bakin said: It’s not the strategy - it’s the scouting and coaching. Taking BPA is a great strategy. So long as you actually know who BPA is. Drafting for need is the strategy that has actually hurt this team the most. It leads to reaching and selecting players based on position rather than board. When you don't have a QB you have to draft by need. BPA is fine after rd 1 for me once our damn QB situation is set. Edited December 17, 2017 by Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Indy, San Francisco, Chicago and Tampa Bay are great dance partners. Lets go get this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Indianapolis or Cleveland (via Houston) will probably have the 3rd pick. Neither will be interested in a QB since Browns will have taken one with first. If there is a QB that the FO sees as a franchise QB still available at three, Bills are in position to move up to get him. Both teams would love the 2 firsts and other draft picks required by Bills to move up in position for #3. Don't go by where anyone has a QB ranked in the draft. Jets, Cards, Bengals, Broncos and maybe the Chargers may all need QBs. Some of them will be interested in moving up to get the guy they want. The third spot is the key. Even if 2 QBs are already taken, if the QB the Bills want is there, they need to go after him at that spot. I would not be surprised if the Bills trade for Alex Smith. KC has cap problems and Smith would be good for 4 - 5 years. Good fit for Dennison. Then use all those draft picks to fill in roster as well as using FA. Whatever happens, the 2018 Bills will look vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 28 minutes ago, richardb1952 said: Indianapolis or Cleveland (via Houston) will probably have the 3rd pick. Neither will be interested in a QB since Browns will have taken one with first. If there is a QB that the FO sees as a franchise QB still available at three, Bills are in position to move up to get him. Both teams would love the 2 firsts and other draft picks required by Bills to move up in position for #3. Don't go by where anyone has a QB ranked in the draft. Jets, Cards, Bengals, Broncos and maybe the Chargers may all need QBs. Some of them will be interested in moving up to get the guy they want. The third spot is the key. Even if 2 QBs are already taken, if the QB the Bills want is there, they need to go after him at that spot. I would not be surprised if the Bills trade for Alex Smith. KC has cap problems and Smith would be good for 4 - 5 years. Good fit for Dennison. Then use all those draft picks to fill in roster as well as using FA. Whatever happens, the 2018 Bills will look vastly different. I liked this post until you mentioned Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 playoff quarterbacks played terribly for Jeff Fisher's Rams . Foles (can't really credit him for the playoff appearance), Keenum, and Goff. Just a really bad coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I liked this post until you mentioned Alex Smith. I mentioned Alex Smith because of the draft pick cost to move up to three. If Bills do move up to draft a QB, they might feel the need to keep TT for another year. Letting TT go, picking up Alex Smith and using their draft picks on filling the roster with some day 1 starters might be enough to make the Bills contenders next year and down the road. Keep Peterman as a good backup, use FA to fill in some other holes has to be tempting to the FO. I would guess Alex Smith could be in play if the FO does not see their franchise QB at the third draft spot. Edited December 19, 2017 by richardb1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, richardb1952 said: I mentioned Alex Smith because of the draft pick cost to move up to three. If Bills do move up to draft a QB, they might feel the need to keep TT for another year. Letting TT go, picking up Alex Smith and using their draft picks on filling the roster with some day 1 starters might be enough to make the Bills contenders next year and down the road. Keep Peterman as a good backup, us FA to fill in some other holes has to be tempting to the FO. I would guess Alex Smith could be in play if the FO does not see their franchise QB at the third draft spot. It's a plausible scenario, I suppose. Alex Smith will be 34 next season. I'd be alright signing him if we also drafted a potential franchise qb, but I don't think he's anything more than a better bridge qb. I really doubt the fanbase would be enthused about the notion of Alex Smith for the next four to five years. It might work, but I am skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: It's a plausible scenario, I suppose. Alex Smith will be 34 next season. I'd be alright signing him if we also drafted a potential franchise qb, but I don't think he's anything more than a better bridge qb. I really doubt the fanbase would be enthused about the notion of Alex Smith for the next four to five years. It might work, but I am skeptical. Alex Smith has over 3700 yds passing, 340 yds rushing, 25 TDs, 5 INTs, with a 68% completion Percentage in 14 games. If the fan base liked Kyle Orton, they'd love Alex Smith. Plus, KC offense is almost the same as the Bills, except they have better playmakers at WR. Edited December 19, 2017 by richardb1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, richardb1952 said: Alex Smith has over 3700 yds passing, 340 yds rushing, 25 TDs, 5 INTs, with a 68% completion Percentage in 14 games. If the fan base liked Kyle Orton, they'd love Alex Smith. Plus, KC offense is almost the same as the Bills, except they have better playmakers at WR. I'll grant that the folks who liked Orton will swoon over Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: It's a plausible scenario, I suppose. Alex Smith will be 34 next season. I'd be alright signing him if we also drafted a potential franchise qb, but I don't think he's anything more than a better bridge qb. I really doubt the fanbase would be enthused about the notion of Alex Smith for the next four to five years. It might work, but I am skeptical. KC will want to trade Alex Smith. They have hardly any picks for the next 2 years. I think Cleveland trades one of their 3rds and get's Smith for 1 year 17 mil cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) On 12/13/2017 at 6:45 AM, Tatonka68 said: San Francisco, Indianapolis, Tampa and Houston are moving up the draft boards. Only Cleveland and NY Giants are are 1 and 2 but after that it is wide open. Teams were competing against are Denver, Washington and NY Jets. The Wildcard QB's are Kurt Cousins, Casey Keenum, Sam Bradford. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph are the top prospects I would trade both 1st round picks and the 5th pick this year from Jacksonville and a pick 3rd round pick in 2018 to get into the 3rd pick. Then draft the best of the four QB's left. 1. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield or Mason Rudolph. 2. Orlando Brown OT Oklahoma 2a. Vita Vea DT Washington. 3. Isiah Wynn G Georgia 4. Jason Cabinda ILB Penn St 5. Allen Lazard WR Iowa 6. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford I hate to say it, but the Bills played themselves out of the running for one of the top prospects. If they select a QB it will likely be a Losman to the team above's Roethlisberger. It's an awful feeling. I really thought they were gonna do it this time. We're !@#$ed to more mediocrity. Edited December 20, 2017 by OJABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: KC will want to trade Alex Smith. They have hardly any picks for the next 2 years. I think Cleveland trades one of their 3rds and get's Smith for 1 year 17 mil cap hit. I hope so. Just don't bring him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: KC will want to trade Alex Smith. They have hardly any picks for the next 2 years. I think Cleveland trades one of their 3rds and get's Smith for 1 year 17 mil cap hit. I doubt it. The Browns are getting very close to having the top 2 picks in the draft. Realistically, they can't do worse than the 1st and 4th overall. They are taking a QB with the #1 overall and probably bringing in more of a McCown type - a guy with no pretenses of being a longer term starter - as a bridge. If you ask me where Alex Smith winds up, my #1 answer would be "Orchard Park." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, OJABBA said: I hate to say it, but the Bills played themselves out of the running for one of the top prospects. If they select a QB it will likely be a Losman to the team above's Roethlisberger. It's an awful feeling. I really thought they were gonna do it this time. We're !@#$ed to more mediocrity. Do you take the time to bother to look up where some of the all time great QB's were selected in the draft? For example, there is a heavy debate as to who the best QB of all time is between Montana and Brady. One was a third round pick and the other was a 6th round. It makes NO DIFFERENCE where you get your QB, but it makes all the difference in the world in who develops these QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I doubt it. The Browns are getting very close to having the top 2 picks in the draft. Realistically, they can't do worse than the 1st and 4th overall. They are taking a QB with the #1 overall and probably bringing in more of a McCown type - a guy with no pretenses of being a longer term starter - as a bridge. If you ask me where Alex Smith winds up, my #1 answer would be "Orchard Park." I was just going to reply to OJABBA that I would go for Alex for the 1 year remaining on his contract. I think that Beane will be looking into that. He would be great to start and let the rookie get his bearings. My comment on Cleveland is they need the same kind of 1 year guy. IF they wanted Alex for 1 year (minimum) they got a lot more ammo than us to expend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, ColoradoBills said: I was just going to reply to OJABBA that I would go for Alex for the 1 year remaining on his contract. I think that Beane will be looking into that. He would be great to start and let the rookie get his bearings. My comment on Cleveland is they need the same kind of 1 year guy. IF they wanted Alex for 1 year (minimum) they got a lot more ammo than us to expend. That's right. In fact, the Browns just have a ridiculous amount of flexibility. The freedom that comes from being consistently awful for half a decade or more. They've been waiting, waiting, waiting to make their big moves, and it's pretty obvious the time is now. I just don't see them going with an Alex Smith who could mess things up by being a little too competent in that placeholder role. Maybe they'd like a slightly used, highly mobile, short-ish QB currently located just around the bend of Lake Erie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: That's right. In fact, the Browns just have a ridiculous amount of flexibility. The freedom that comes from being consistently awful for half a decade or more. They've been waiting, waiting, waiting to make their big moves, and it's pretty obvious the time is now. I just don't see them going with an Alex Smith who could mess things up by being a little too competent in that placeholder role. Maybe they'd like a slightly used, highly mobile, short-ish QB currently located just around the bend of Lake Erie? I like it! We take whatever they give us for "that guy" and we give it to KC for a 1 year rental on Alex. Someone needs to get Dunkirk Don on this! From his posts to Beane's ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Go ahead and dream. I think we're !@#$ed again. They finally had 2 first round picks to deal with, and it's just unfolding ALL WRONG. I expect some half-assed quarterbacking, and more 7-9, 9-7 seasons. Hanging hopes on Alex Smith...pfffft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 6 hours ago, OJABBA said: Go ahead and dream. I think we're !@#$ed again. They finally had 2 first round picks to deal with, and it's just unfolding ALL WRONG. I expect some half-assed quarterbacking, and more 7-9, 9-7 seasons. Hanging hopes on Alex Smith...pfffft. Don't worry be Happy! Mason Rudolph in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) He's not that good. Okay arm, not great decision making, several pros in his wr corp in a conference that doesn't play defense. OTOH, he might be there in the second round. Edited December 20, 2017 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) A team already with a Qb will like the Idea of 2 first rd picks this year plus whatever else they get from us. Buffalo has ammunition to move up anywhere in the draft. I don't expect Cleveland to trade out again. But you never know if the top guys refuse to play there. Edited December 20, 2017 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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