hemma Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Not to be superstitious, but we need her in the next game, too. I'm putting my game day clothes in a plastic bag until next Sunday. I know they were key. Edited December 18, 2017 by hemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 49 minutes ago, Dorkington said: I thought she did just fine. I don't get all the hate. No hate. Just a voice that is hard to listen to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Well, it’s not like she was any more “grating” than the countless other unqualified male announcers. We need more Tony Romo’s, and less of everyone else. Look at how those other announcers suckiness is described...the tonal quality of their voice, if mentioned at all, is mentioned well after significantly more important qualities, like total lack of knowledge of strategy, lack of understanding of the rules, etc. Mowins might have gotten a few names wrong, but overall, she came across as knowledgeable of the rules, strategy, etc, and added some quality insight that showed she prepared for the game more than just reading national media. I enjoyed her announcing, and hope she continues to have opportunities to do NFL games, including Bills games, because no doubt there are some valid criticisms to her performance in this game, but they were minor (you guys really are nitpicking on most of these things, just looking for anything to back up your gut feeling, which is based on a sexist bias) and from her extensive experience I have no doubt she will continue to get better, especially when paired with a more experienced color commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Dorkington said: I thought she did just fine. I don't get all the hate. Your joking right. Her voice sounds like she's Myron Cope's granddaughter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I think my biggest "WTF?" about the announcers was how they were talking about the fins like they were the ones fighting for the playoffs. All game they kept talking about how they were fighting for a playoff spot and their playoff lives but the bills have a better record and are doing the same. I honestly didn't get it. Basically making them homers for the fins (obviously feely would be) but I didn't get it. 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Your joking right. Her voice sounds like she's Myron Cope's granddaughter..... I think my favorite twitter comment was "she sounds like a 13 yr old boy doing his best at sounding like a news anchor" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 hours ago, BurpleBull said: Can't imagine any woman's voice not being annoying calling a football game. Weird. I've never been one to long for a man's voice talking to me. Maybe you should do some introspection 3 hours ago, BurpleBull said: I have problems because I'd rather not hear a woman calling a football game? Okay... Yea. That's weird. If you just said she's bad, which i'd agree with, fair point. But the fact you're just going on about how it can't be a woman announcing my game is just blatant sexism. I mean, it is the definition of it and you do have a problem. It's not a huge problem if it's just this, but I'm not inclined to believe that. You're sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 46 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Counting down the days for fivethirtyeight to write an article talking about how the 'grating' comment is 100% due to her being a woman/her gender, referencing evidence based neuroscience research proving many in here are sexist. Granted, it's initially subconscious uncontrolled bias how you instantly feel, but you control how you respond to those biases. If they do write that article, and reference this board, some people will not come off in a good light, which will shine on all bills fans...thanks. My GF hates her voice and I am 100% sure she is a female Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Something else to think about. Shane Battier after retiring has been announcing NBA games and did real well. Then he did a college game, and it went terrible, like dumpster fire bad. The reason is the difference in the shot clocks. With a 24 second shot clock in the NBA you basically have to fill 10 seconds of time with non-game focused material, and transitioning to a longer shot clock was crazy jaring for him. He actually got a lot better with more practice. Mowins likely needs more games to account for the changes in play clocks from the NCAA to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Look at how those other announcers suckiness is described...the tonal quality of their voice, if mentioned at all, is mentioned well after significantly more important qualities, like total lack of knowledge of strategy, lack of understanding of the rules, etc. Mowins might have gotten a few names wrong, but overall, she came across as knowledgeable of the rules, strategy, etc, and added some quality insight that showed she prepared for the game more than just reading national media. I enjoyed her announcing, and hope she continues to have opportunities to do NFL games, including Bills games, because no doubt there are some valid criticisms to her performance in this game, but they were minor (you guys really are nitpicking on most of these things, just looking for anything to back up your gut feeling, which is based on a sexist bias) and from her extensive experience I have no doubt she will continue to get better, especially when paired with a more experienced color commentator. Knowledgeable of the rules? Nice block by DUCASSE. Replay...Duke has does a WWE takedown of a Dolphin and is lucky he didn't get called for a hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: My GF hates her voice and I am 100% sure she is a female You sound like the racist guy who always makes sure he mentions his one black friend after saying something racist. Edited December 18, 2017 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: You sound like the racist guy who always makes sure he mention his one black friend after saying something racist. OK Beth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: OK Beth As the president has shown, when you say something stupid. Just say something even more stupid. Eventually people won't know how to respond. And this is where I'm at. Edited December 18, 2017 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richstadiumowner Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Was the NFL trying to drive MORE people away. Just stop with the sjw crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: As the president has shown, when you say something stupid. Just say something even more stupid. Eventually people won't know how to respond. And this is where I'm at. What ever...the games over the Bills won and I still have my hearing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, JMF2006 said: What ever...the games over the Bills won and I still have my hearing Cheers to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Weird. I've never been one to long for a man's voice talking to me. Maybe you should do some introspection Yea. That's weird. If you just said she's bad, which i'd agree with, fair point. But the fact you're just going on about how it can't be a woman announcing my game is just blatant sexism. I mean, it is the definition of it and you do have a problem. It's not a huge problem if it's just this, but I'm not inclined to believe that. You're sexist. You're so corny. So me not caring for the uncommon sound of a woman's voice calling an NFL game equates to me longing for a man's voice talking to me? Men have always called the game, that's what I know to be the norm, and I don't care for a game with two women in the booth calling it as the new norm. If you don't care, that's you, your experience isn't altered. More power to you. Where I stand is where I stand and it's not changing call it sexist or whatever. I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Initially I did not like the person announcing because ze sounded like ze was cutting a commercial track for a Fly Morning rush radio show. As the game went on I noticed I didn't notice that tendency from ze. I think it's because the bills won. Had they lost I likely would have wanted to smash my tv screen, which means the person was treated exactly the same as other persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: My GF hates her voice and I am 100% sure she is a female Women can be biased as well. I genuinely want to see that hypothetical 538 article and the research (I'm going to loom for some papers now), because she really does have an extremely similar cadence to many male announcers. I wonder if it's not that she's a woman to most people, because i genuinely want to believe most people here aren't crazy sexists, but that she is trying to do it in a stereotypically male way. I don't think it is right for there to be stereotypical male way of announcing, especially since women are basically barred from being announcers at a high level, but if you asked me to describe the stereotypical male announcer I could, and I bet it would match with others independent description. Contrast Mowins with Julie Foudie, who is incredibly successful as well as a big time soccer announcer, and I bet you don't give her the tone comment. I know it's a leap with a lot of unexplored variables to make the argument that you dislike Mowins because she tries to do it like a man, but like Foudie because she does it in a more natural/female acceptable way. I am using this example as a thought exercise for introspection, and further discussion and exploration. Edited December 18, 2017 by HardyBoy Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 She had a heavy American accent, that's for sure. I'm from Canada so cant really distinguish what state her accent comes from, but it was definitely noticeable. This is not a knock on American accents BTW as I was just making an observation. If I announced the game you guys would probably be wondering what the hell I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: She had a heavy American accent, that's for sure. I'm from Canada so cant really distinguish what state her accent comes from, but it was definitely noticeable. This is not a knock on American accents BTW as I was just making an observation. If I announced the game you guys would probably be wondering what the hell I am saying. I know we might seem divided on this board, but we all feel the same way about Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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