Who starts next week: Taylor or Peterman?

[LB3]

48 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Except he is the 4th highest rated passer in the league under pressure. When he escapes good things happen. That’s not when he struggles.

Honest question. Does it count as a pressure when he escapes a clean pocket?

[CodeMonkey]

53 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

With that attitude they certainly won't. Or anytime soon for that matter.  A coach that accepts losing is not a good look.

 

"The coach that is rebuilding is rebuilding for the next coach that comes in." --Bill Parcells

I doubt it would be just first year McCoach coming to that realization on his own and acting on it.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Honest question. Does it count as a pressure when he escapes a clean pocket?

Don’t know the answer but we are seeing that all over the league. Moving the pocket and playing outside of the pocket is a trend. For those that love Baker (I’m a fan too) get used to it. The game is heading that way.

[Boatdrinks]

20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

It was what you are doing though. You are trying to justify the Ints. Like Kirby said Taylor would be crucified. He gets crucified for taking a sack or being off a hair in a 60 yard pass. Yet here we are explaining away interceptions. 

 

I don't think we would have win with Taylor either. But I do think we would have had a better chance. 

 

I don't care what they do at this point just pick a direction and stick with it. Don't bench a loyal hard working guy that the teammates love then ask him to bail  out the embarrassment of the guy he got benched for. 

 

If they want the best chance to win start Taylor. If they gave up on the season start Peterman. But be decisive and stick with it and be honest. 

 

  Fans can agree to disagree if Taylor gave the Bills a better chance to win vs LAC. Apparently the coach(es) didn't and that's all that matters. IF and I stress IF, the move was made in the interest of winning the football game. We all saw what happened. Giving up on the season and starting Peterman is in no way acceptable at any level. " You play to win the game"  in the words of Herm Edwards. If the Peterman move last week was made for evaluation purposes or any other reason than winning , McDermott must be fired. Plain and simple. Being decisive and honest about it would not ever excuse the cardinal sin of not trying to win football games. That's what the job is. I don't think in any way that McD has given up on the season at this point. If he disproves that assumption tomorrow and announces Peterman as starter, he should be relieved of his duties immediately . 

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that anyone disagrees with this. The Bills have to get their guy in this draft. No one is arguing that.

 

Don’t try to lie to us though and tell us that you are trying to win now. It’s impossible that McDermott believes (or believed) that Peterman gave them a better chance to win. He’s either completely and utterly incompetent or a liar. Pick your poison 

I'm tired of being aggravated so I'm gonna throw a funny out there...

 

A third option to your points is our defense is so bad Nate might look as good as Brady in practice. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t know the answer but we are seeing that all over the league. Moving the pocket and playing outside of the pocket is a trend. For those that love Baker (I’m a fan too) get used to it. The game is heading that way.

Baker Mayfield has been my favorite QB prospect all season and continues to be. I know the behavior has become an issue as of late, but I love the way this guy plays QB. He needs to show more maturity for sure, but he is a winner. 

[aceman_16]

After listening to recent pressers.... I think it will be Peterman.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that anyone disagrees with this. The Bills have to get their guy in this draft. No one is arguing that.

 

Don’t try to lie to us though and tell us that you are trying to win now. It’s impossible that McDermott believes (or believed) that Peterman gave them a better chance to win. He’s either completely and utterly incompetent or a liar. Pick your poison 

Maybe the story got convoluted.  

 

We are not tanking - purposefully losing

We are trying to win - while evaluating every player

 

Playoff mentality - doesn't mean he actually pulled a Rex and promised a playoff game.  

Yeah it sucks.  It's out of my control 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I posted this before and it needs to be posted again for the people with blinders. Yes Nate sucked with 5,  But he is not the only one.  Many QB's are on the list 3, 4 and 5 times 

 

Player	INT's		In One Game
Steve DeBerg	7	TAM	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. SF 49ers, September 7, 1986
Ken Stabler+	7	OAK	Oakland Raiders vs. Denver Broncos, October 16, 1977
Joe Namath+	6	NYJ	New York Jets vs. Houston Oilers, October 15, 1967
Vinny Testaverde	6	TAM	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Minnesota Vikings, October 23, 1988
Joe Namath+	6	NYJ	New York Jets vs. Baltimore Colts, October 18, 1970
Peyton Manning	6	IND	Indianapolis Colts vs. San Diego Chargers, November 11, 2007
Brett Favre+	6	GNB	Green Bay Packers vs. St. Louis Rams, January 20, 2002
Ryan Fitzpatrick	6	NYJ	New York Jets vs. Kansas City Chiefs, September 25, 2016
Chris Chandler	6	STL	St. Louis Rams vs. Carolina Panthers, December 12, 2004
Heath Shuler	5	WAS	Washington Redskins vs. Arizona Cardinals, October 16, 1994
Jay Cutler	5	CHI	Chicago Bears vs. SF 49ers, November 12, 2009
Ben Roethlisberger	5	PIT	Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, October 8, 2017
Tony Romo	5	DAL	Dallas Cowboys vs. Buffalo Bills, October 8, 2007
Joe Flacco	5	BAL	Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills, September 29, 2013
Ken Stabler+	5	OAK	Oakland Raiders vs. Miami Dolphins, December 10, 1978
Ken Stabler+	5	OAK	Oakland Raiders vs. New York Jets, October 21, 1979
Troy Aikman+	5	DAL	Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants, October 15, 2000
Ken Stabler+	5	HOU	Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, September 7, 1980
Ken Stabler+	5	HOU	Houston Oilers vs. Seattle Seahawks, October 5, 1980
Tony Romo	5	DAL	Dallas Cowboys vs. Chicago Bears, October 1, 2012
Brett Favre+	5	GNB	Green Bay Packers vs. Cincinnati Bengals, October 30, 2005
Drew Brees	5	NOR	New Orleans Saints vs. Atlanta Falcons, November 29, 201

Thats a given the way the defense has been playing.  

 

I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this.  A lot of these guys were vets, with a long track record at the point where they had a crap game, including a track record of being hot-and-cold, bounce-back guys.

 

Can you find one of those guys who did this in the first half of their first game, and do you have any idea why that might be seen as a problem?

[34-78-83]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t know the answer but we are seeing that all over the league. Moving the pocket and playing outside of the pocket is a trend. For those that love Baker (I’m a fan too) get used to it. The game is heading that way.

 

Most average fans don't watch other teams with the same level of detail, and aren't aware of any trend except for everyone's favorite - "it's a passing league".

They might be SHOCKED seeing the number of stating NFL QB's (some that they admire greatly) who only carry 2 reads on a given passing play for their team.

Remember, there are only drop-back pocket passers in the NFL

The guy we've got is a decent to good starter when the offense plays to his strengths... Great? Nope. Draft one next year? Yep.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t know the answer but we are seeing that all over the league. Moving the pocket and playing outside of the pocket is a trend. For those that love Baker (I’m a fan too) get used to it. The game is heading that way.

 

You'd think a younger HC would get that.

 

Maybe a beat up Peyton Manning defeating his team in the SB by basically not making any sudden movements has convinced him he can't win catering an offense to a dual threat QB.

[Kirby Jackson]

28 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Maybe the story got convoluted.  

 

We are not tanking - purposefully losing

We are trying to win - while evaluating every player

 

Playoff mentality - doesn't mean he actually pulled a Rex and promised a playoff game.  

Yeah it sucks.  It's out of my control 

The part in the middle they can’t straight face though. Maybe it’s a matter of semantics but these decisions aren’t predicated on trying to win. They are predicated on trying to evaluate things and if wins happen, they happen. 

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

You'd think a younger HC would get that.

 

Maybe a beat up Peyton Manning defeating his team in the SB by basically not making any sudden movements has convinced him he can't win catering an offense to a dual threat QB.

Yeah, the day of stand in the pocket and deliver are dying. The best guys at it are great at moving within the pocket (like Brady). Other than that, every young QB to enter the league in the last 10 years plays in and out of the pocket (Smith, Wentz, Rodgers, Luck, Wilson, Dak, etc...). It is a new day

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this.  A lot of these guys were vets, with a long track record at the point where they had a crap game, including a track record of being hot-and-cold, bounce-back guys.

 

Can you find one of those guys who did this in the first half of their first game, and do you have any idea why that might be seen as a problem?

1) Pro Football Reference.  

2) Does it matter?  6 INT's by a seasoned pro should be worse imo No? 

 

2a) I do believe Nate tired or broke a record that went way way back.  

[Bills Pimpin']

44 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

  Fans can agree to disagree if Taylor gave the Bills a better chance to win vs LAC. Apparently the coach(es) didn't and that's all that matters. IF and I stress IF, the move was made in the interest of winning the football game. We all saw what happened. Giving up on the season and starting Peterman is in no way acceptable at any level. " You play to win the game"  in the words of Herm Edwards. If the Peterman move last week was made for evaluation purposes or any other reason than winning , McDermott must be fired. Plain and simple. Being decisive and honest about it would not ever excuse the cardinal sin of not trying to win football games. That's what the job is. I don't think in any way that McD has given up on the season at this point. If he disproves that assumption tomorrow and announces Peterman as starter, he should be relieved of his duties immediately . 

I really disagree with this and think it is this way of thinking that has helped keep the Bills out of the playoffs for so many years. I do think there is a responsibility to try to win every game and I don't think McD has ever said differently. But I believe it is just as important a job for the head coach, and maybe more so to win a Championship. That should be the ultimate goal. So I agree with you that McD hasn't given up on the season, but he has to think big picture too and he has. Starting Peterman is a big picture championship seeking decision. Starting Tyrod is a single game winning decision that has haunted this organization for 10 plus years. I'll try the big picture decisions for once and see how it goes.

All that being said, I think Peterman will as good as an option as Tyrod in a few weeks if he's allowed to start.

[JM2009]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t know the answer but we are seeing that all over the league. Moving the pocket and playing outside of the pocket is a trend. For those that love Baker (I’m a fan too) get used to it. The game is heading that way.

Could lose the locker room.

1 minute ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I really disagree with this and think it is this way of thinking that has helped keep the Bills out of the playoffs for so many years. I do think there is a responsibility to try to win every game and I don't think McD has ever said differently. But I believe it is just as important a job for the head coach, and maybe more so to win a Championship. That should be the ultimate goal. So I agree with you that McD hasn't given up on the season, but he has to think big picture too and he has. Starting Peterman is a big picture championship seeking decision. Starting Tyrod is a single game winning decision that has haunted this organization for 10 plus years. I'll try the big picture decisions for once and see how it goes.

All that being said, I think Peterman will as good as an option as Tyrod in a few weeks if he's allowed to start.

"Peterman will be as good as TT in a couple of weeks". Wow. That's all I can say to this. It never ends. You said Peterman would be better right away. At least you are backtracking a little now.lolAnd you don't start a rookie fifth round pick when the playoffs are very much a possibility in a weak AFC. A terrible move that could lose the locker room.

[BuffaloHokie13]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, the day of stand in the pocket and deliver are dying. The best guys at it are great at moving within the pocket (like Brady). Other than that, every young QB to enter the league in the last 10 years plays in and out of the pocket (Smith, Wentz, Rodgers, Luck, Wilson, Dak, etc...). It is a new day

Look at this year alone.

 

Wentz is averaging 5 carries for 22.4 rush yards per game

Wilson is averaging 5.8 carries for 37.6 rush yards per game

Smith is averaging 4.2 carries for 20 rush yards per game

Watson was averaging 5.1 carries for 38.4 rush yards per game before getting hurt.

Dak is averaging 3.4 carries for 24.7 rush yards per game

Newton is averagin 7.4 carries for 43.6 rush yards per game

 

These guys are the future of the position  (other than Smith) as the old guard slowly phases out. Rollouts, RPO's and general movement outside the pocket is only going to increase.

 

A comparison, for those who only watch the Bills Tyrod over the last 3 years:

2015: 7.4 carries for 40.6 rush yards per game

2016: 6.3 carries for 38.7 rush yards per game

2017: 5.7 carries for 27.5 rush yards per game

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, CodeMonkey said:

I doubt it would be just first year McCoach coming to that realization on his own and acting on it.

 

 

Seems like first year coach McDermott had come to the realization that not trying to win with the playoffs on the line is OK.  

 

Disturbing.

[TuelTime]

13 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I really disagree with this and think it is this way of thinking that has helped keep the Bills out of the playoffs for so many years. I do think there is a responsibility to try to win every game and I don't think McD has ever said differently. But I believe it is just as important a job for the head coach, and maybe more so to win a Championship. That should be the ultimate goal. So I agree with you that McD hasn't given up on the season, but he has to think big picture too and he has. Starting Peterman is a big picture championship seeking decision. Starting Tyrod is a single game winning decision that has haunted this organization for 10 plus years. I'll try the big picture decisions for once and see how it goes.

All that being said, I think Peterman will as good as an option as Tyrod in a few weeks if he's allowed to start.

 

I don't see how starting a guy who is not ready to start in the NFL, and may not even be a capable backup is a "big picture" move. Peterman should ride the bench until we're mathematically eliminated, and see if he can secure a backup spot next TC. After that horrendous 1st half of football, signing Kaepernick to backup Taylor for the rest of the year would make the Bills a better football team.

Edited November 21, 2017 by TuelTime

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Look at this year alone.

 

Wentz is averaging 5 carries for 22.4 rush yards per game

Wilson is averaging 5.8 carries for 37.6 rush yards per game

Smith is averaging 4.2 carries for 20 rush yards per game

Watson was averaging 5.1 carries for 38.4 rush yards per game before getting hurt.

Dak is averaging 3.4 carries for 24.7 rush yards per game

Newton is averagin 7.4 carries for 43.6 rush yards per game

 

These guys are the future of the position  (other than Smith) as the old guard slowly phases out. Rollouts, RPO's and general movement outside the pocket is only going to increase.

 

A comparison, for those who only watch the Bills Tyrod over the last 3 years:

2015: 7.4 carries for 40.6 rush yards per game

2016: 6.3 carries for 38.7 rush yards per game

2017: 5.7 carries for 27.5 rush yards per game

Only because there is a lack of a true QB in the NFL.   The college coaches do not do a good job of developing real talent.  

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t try to lie to us though and tell us that you are trying to win now. It’s impossible that McDermott believes (or believed) that Peterman gave them a better chance to win. He’s either completely and utterly incompetent or a liar. Pick your poison 

 

I'm going with incompetent.