Peterman Arm Strength

[Kaenon]

19 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Peterman has a lot going for him.  I think his number 1 attribute may be his intelligence and decision making.   The Wonderlic test presumably measures quick and accurate thinking.   Peterman had a 32 on the Wonderlic, not lights out, but among the best of the QBs coming out of the last draft, and pretty good overall.   Taylor had an apparently had a 15, and the biggest complaint about Taylor is decision making and a slow trigger.   We'll see about that.

 

The biggest complaint about Peterman, and something certainly worth worrying about, is arm strength.   I didn't know it, but at the combine they use a radar gun to determine the release velocity of thrown footballs.   Peterman was 49 mph, among the worst at the combine.   The best is in the high 50s, and just about all the name guys coming out of the draft are at or above 55.   So Peterman is 10-15% below where the best prospects are.   Over the years, very few guys are clocked below 50.    In fact, the only familiar name at the bottom of the velocity test is - Tyrod Taylor, clocked at 50.  

 

Now,  Taylor's interesting to me, because arm strength has not been a problem since he came to the Bills.   Did he improve his delivery and increase his delivery velocity in his four seasons at Baltimore?   I don't know, but if he did, that means that Peterman's major weakness could be addressed.   Brady also had a pretty poor deep ball early in his career, and he's improved that a lot.  Maybe there's hope. 

 

You can see all the numbers here.

Numbers are all well and good but Peterman is still developing and has more room to get stronger and improve mechanics to increase velocity. 

 

See the Kelvin Benjamin throw that KB dropped.

 

Michah Hyde calls NP, Nate Favre. 

[co_springs_billsfan]

15 hours ago, Foxx said:

 

 

let's also add that one can increase their arm strength. Peterman has all the traits necessary to succeed.

Agreed. Though I have no idea how much it can be increased.

[K-9]

Can he make the long out from the far hash on time out of a 5 step drop without a hitch? That's all you need to know about arm strength. Period. 

[KD in CA]

46 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Honest question and think hard. 

 

Why always so conservative?

 

Maybe because being SAFE could protect the lead BUT if the lead was lost the BILLS lost

 

see KC 2 seasons ago and Oakland last season.  

 

Sometimes conservative bites you on the ass. Ask ATL about the SB

 

Bad example.  Not being conservative is what cost Atlanta the SB.    

[Shaw66]

15 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Shaw, like him or not Romo in his prime was a great QB (not in the GOAT discussion to be sure, but still a great QB imo). The knock on him (one of them) coming out was "only average" arm strength. I agree with your Fitz comment but I strongly suspect NP is much closer to Romo than Fitz as far as arm strength is concerned. So not a throw limiting weak arm. I also agree that we will only know for sure after we have seen a lot more of him. If my guess is right chances are we may have landed a real steal at the all important position. 

Yeah, I can't argue with that.   From the very little bit I've seen of Nate, I'd say he throws a ball much like Romo.   And if that's true, that's good enough.   It was a limitation for Romo, but not so limiting that he didn't succeed in the league.   I'd take a young healthy Romo any day.

 

We have to wait and see.  Or I have to wait and see.  Some people already have made up their minds.  

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Agreed. Though I have no idea how much it can be increased.

I think it often can be increased with coaching and training.   

 

My son is a good athlete.  In Little League he couldn't throw.  I started watching kids throw and studied a little.  Then I showed him the proper hip and shoulder turn, he practiced it a while, and he became one of the best throwers in the league. 

 

Watch some of the best throwers - shortstops and second basemen, Rodgers, Newton.   Those guys throw with velocity even when their hips are out of position to get good hip rotation.   They do it with a quick should er turn, which you get from strength through you midsection.   They have a powerful quick little upper body rotation and the ball zips out. 

 

For a very few athletes, it comes naturally.  But for plenty of good athletes, it can be learned.   

16 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Can he make the long out from the far hash on time out of a 5 step drop without a hitch? That's all you need to know about arm strength. Period. 

Well, it's a little more than that, but yes.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

45 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They lost the lead against Atlanta and Tampa late and still won. The conservative playcalling is just McDermotts way. 

 

And the Atlanta SB is a COMPLETELY different situation. They were up 28-3 late third quarter. That calls for being conservative. Bills have gone conservative early third up one score in some games. 

We will see how conservative Sean is this Sunday.  

25 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Bad example.  Not being conservative is what cost Atlanta the SB.    

If there is one thing to learn from Belicheat

 

Never take your foot off of the gas.  

[K-9]

19 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, it's a little more than that, but yes.  

Yes, but not much, really. Here's the thing, if a QB can't make that throw, nothing else will matter to scouts when it comes to grading his arm strength. It's the one throw they key on more than any other in personal workouts. For obvious reasons. If it doesn't have the preferable velocity to get there on time, then they have to be satisfied that his other mechanics (release, lower body, etc.) can compensate. The long out is a critical throw for offenses to complete in critical game situations as well as to set up other things later on but it's too risky when not delivered on time. 

[Shaw66]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Yes, but not much, really. Here's the thing, if a QB can't make that throw, nothing else will matter to scouts when it comes to grading his arm strength. It's the one throw they key on more than any other in personal workouts. For obvious reasons. If it doesn't have the preferable velocity to get there on time, then they have to be satisfied that his other mechanics (release, lower body, etc.) can compensate. The long out is a critical throw for offenses to complete in critical game situations as well as to set up other things later on but it's too risky when not delivered on time. 

Yeah, I agree that if you can't make that throw, you're not the guy.   But arm strength also allows the best QBs to make throws when their bodies aren't in position to have perfect mechanics.   It allows them to throw deep more accurately.   Those things are also nice to have.

 

But you're right that the throw you're talking about is essential to high end quarterbacking.  

[Tcali]

Peterman looks like he has a mediocre throwing arm...Funny delivery but decent accuracy. But these things can be overcome by quick thinking,anticipatory throws,other intangibles.

There have been plenty of good QBs without the good arm.

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yeah, I agree that if you can't make that throw, you're not the guy.   But arm strength also allows the best QBs to make throws when their bodies aren't in position to have perfect mechanics.   It allows them to throw deep more accurately.   Those things are also nice to have.

 

But you're right that the throw you're talking about is essential to high end quarterbacking.  

Great point. That's why I love Aaron Rodgers so much. I mean the guy actually practices those kinds of throws. 

[Teddy KGB]

14 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I was told his game wouldn't translate because of this stupid metric.

 

Fire that person.  

 

 

[Shaw66]

18 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Great point. That's why I love Aaron Rodgers so much. I mean the guy actually practices those kinds of throws. 

I agree.   Some of that is athleticism, but as you say, he has practiced.   He's learned to throw the ball from all kinds of positions.   

 

Watch the replays when he makes those throws.  He always finds a way to get his body, particularly his upper body, into the throw.  It's often just a quick twitch, but it gives him to deliver the ball on a line instead of throwing a wounded duck. 

29 minutes ago, Tcali said:

Peterman looks like he has a mediocre throwing arm...Funny delivery but decent accuracy. But these things can be overcome by quick thinking,anticipatory throws,other intangibles.

There have been plenty of good QBs without the good arm.

Everybody says this, but I don't think there are plenty.  Or even a few. 

 

If I have a strong arm and I think quickly, I'm better than your guy who thinks quickly with a weak arm.  Can you say FItzpatrick?

[BADOLBILZ]

38 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

Fire that person.  

 

 

 

 

Fire McDermott for passing on Watson?

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Yes, but not much, really. Here's the thing, if a QB can't make that throw, nothing else will matter to scouts when it comes to grading his arm strength. It's the one throw they key on more than any other in personal workouts. For obvious reasons. If it doesn't have the preferable velocity to get there on time, then they have to be satisfied that his other mechanics (release, lower body, etc.) can compensate. The long out is a critical throw for offenses to complete in critical game situations as well as to set up other things later on but it's too risky when not delivered on time. 

Thank you. Entirely true. I haven’t seen every throw Nate has made in college but I haven’t seen him make it. I’m not sure he can. Hopefully he can. 

[GoBills808]

Montana, Brady, and Manning didn't have huge arms. Neither does Matt Ryan. Or Alex Smith. 

 

Stafford does. Bledsoe, George, Culpepper, they all did. Kaepernick and Cutler and Bortles. It's simply a mixed bag.

[Kelly the Dog]

30 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree.   Some of that is athleticism, but as you say, he has practiced.   He's learned to throw the ball from all kinds of positions.   

 

Watch the replays when he makes those throws.  He always finds a way to get his body, particularly his upper body, into the throw.  It's often just a quick twitch, but it gives him to deliver the ball on a line instead of throwing a wounded duck. 

Everybody says this, but I don't think there are plenty.  Or even a few. 

 

If I have a strong arm and I think quickly, I'm better than your guy who thinks quickly with a weak arm.  Can you say FItzpatrick?

Fitzy is a whole other problem though. He processes information faster but in order to get the proficient arm strength and velocity he has to wind up and throw it like a baseball, therefore losing back what he gained. 

[Teddy KGB]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Fire McDermott for passing on Watson?

 

 

Fire the poster who posted the "weak arm velocity" no chance for Watson theory.    

 

Fire McBeane too ?   Sure,  unless that 6th rounder we got for Dareus saves the franchise ?

 

They get another two years and get to tie themselves to the qb we trade up for next draft. 

Edited November 17, 2017 by Air it out Fitzy

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Fitzy is a whole other problem though. He processes information faster but in order to get the proficient arm strength and velocity he has to wind up and throw it like a baseball, therefore losing back what he gained. 

That's exactly the point.  The guys with strong arms (meaning mechanics that allow them to throw with greater velocity) don't wind up.   Quick thinking without a strong arm doesn't get you much in most cases.   

 

Fitzy was quick thinking, weak arm. 

 

Taylor looks like slow thinking, strong arm.

 

Peterman, we hope, is quick thinking with a good enough arm to get the job done.   

 

We'll see. 

[SaviorPeterman]

22 hours ago, Rise Up Lights said:

Found this video interesting. It was made not long before he was drafted. A throwback to high school days. I didn't realize that NP was a four star recruit coming out. Mike Farrell, a Rivals recruiter who was scouting Peterman mentions 3 or 4 times that he has a cannon arm and a gunslinger mentality. 

 

 

Thanks for posting this, I was looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

I truly believe that a few years down the road people are going to be asking how on earth NP fell to the 5th round.

 

It's our time to finally hit the jackpot and get stupid lucky with a QB prospect that most didn't see coming. Not saying he's the next Brady, but certainly could be the next Romo and is a very similar player in many ways quite frankly.