DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Elite Poster said: The anti-Tyrod. Flush him out of the pocket and he will fall apart. He doesn't have the arm strength to throw on the move and does not have the athleticism to make a play on the ground. These highlights are no better than pre-season. They did not gameplan for #2, they did for #5. I’d take a QB who “falls apart” outside of the pocket over one who falls apart if he (TT) remains in the pocket. The majority of championship QB’s have been guys who fall apart when forced outside of the pocket. Very few greats had the opposite trait of falling apart in the pocket such as TT. To be clear, I don’t expect Peterman to be our savior, but it’s becoming more evident that TT is done here. You never know what you have with a QB until he gets the chance to play. Peterman probably isn’t the answer, but we definitely know that TT isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, dpberr said: I think Tyrod gets the first half of the SD game. There's no excuses there. Full arsenal of weapons. If it's a tire fire yet again, I think there's a chance he's benched and Peterman gets a half to show what he can do. Buffalo has to be desperate to make the playoffs and willing to make bold moves to do it. It's going to crush the McDermott/Beane era starting off with so much promise and falling flat on your face in Year One. I dont think it will crush their era. I think they have accomplished more already than most people thought they would at this point. I agree about the bold move to get to the playoffs. My fear is that Taylor beats the Chargers and then gets blasted by the Chiefs and Pats. Then Peterman comes in when the playoffs are mostly a distant hope. I dont know if Peterman will be able to win games but at least he isnt afraid to set and throw the ball. I think we have seen all we are going to get from Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Trust me, I’m not a huge TT guy. But he has 3 years of facing nfl defenses. NP has played against 3rd stringers and guy not in the nfl. And how do you expect to evaluate NP if you don't play him? You think that sticking with TT, who has faced NFL defenses but isn't the answer at QB, is the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I already see the future. Peterman will start 3 games, where he will have 200 yards and led us to about 17 points/ game. Then in a year where we have 2 1st rounders, which all offseason was thought to be a great QB draft so we could pass on Watson, we will talk ourselves into NP as a franchise guy. We will draft Sammy and Marcell’s Replacements and maybe pick a qb in the 6th round. then, NP will be revealed to be Trent Edwards part 2 and we wasted 3 years again while guys like Watson, Mahomes, Rosen, & Darnold turn into good starting nfl qbs. They will take a QB next year, most likely somewhere in the top 4 picks. All the reports I’ve seen from insiders on here are that the long term plan was to bring Tyrod back as the veteran mentor for the rookie, and Peterman to compete or be the long term backup. I don’t think there is anything Peterman could do at this point to change the plan. Edited November 13, 2017 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 eeekk. Man I hope we draft a QB that looks commanding.....I felt ugh watching NP and or TYrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: They will take a QB next year, most likely somewhere in the top 4 picks. All the reports I’ve seen from insiders on here are that the long term plan was to bring Tyrod back as the veteran mentor for the rookie, and Peterman to compete or be the long term backup. I don’t think there is anything Peterman could do at this point to change the plan. They will take a QB next year, most likely somewhere in the top 4 picks. All the reports I’ve seen from insiders on here are that the long term plan was to bring Tyrod back as the veteran mentor for the rookie, and Peterman to compete or be the long term backup. I don’t think there is anything Peterman could do at this point to change the plan. EXACTLY. this is why you play Peterman now. The bills will draft a qb next year even if we go deep into the playoffs this year. You are losing nothing. Like I stated previously, low risk high reward. At the very least, you are giving Peterman quality reps to either be the potential starter next year or to be a sound backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: They will take a QB next year, most likely somewhere in the top 4 picks. All the reports I’ve seen from insiders on here are that the long term plan was to bring Tyrod back as the veteran mentor for the rookie, and Peterman to compete or be the long term backup. I don’t think there is anything Peterman could do at this point to change the plan. not a fan of this idea, waste picks to move up on a guy that has never played in the NFL.....I would rather they use the picks they have and build a TEAM......With a good Oline and Dline we could get buy like the Seahawks with a 3rd round QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: not a fan of this idea, waste picks to move up on a guy that has never played in the NFL.....I would rather they use the picks they have and build a TEAM......With a good Oline and Dline we could get buy like the Seahawks with a 3rd round QB. I do not want them to trade up. There are enough good QB prospects that one should be available at our original pick. Like you say we have too many other holes to fill. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, HappyDays said: I do not want them to trade up. There are enough good QB prospects that one should be available at our original pick. Like you say we have too many other holes to fill. ok, i was confused cuz you said top four picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: EXACTLY. this is why you play Peterman now. The bills will draft a qb next year even if we go deep into the playoffs this year. You are losing nothing. Like I stated previously, low risk high reward. At the very least, you are giving Peterman quality reps to either be the potential starter next year or to be a sound backup Exactly wrong. They aren't experimenting with a rookie Quarterback based on mop up duty while they remain in playoff contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 They'll have to trade up to get one of the top QB prospects given how many QB-needy teams will be ahead of them. And give up a lot in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Anyone else notice he took an endzone shot to Thompson and didn't heave it out of bounds. He through a really nice ball that fell incomplete because the defender was all over Thompson. How many times has Tyrod one: thrown it to into the endzone outside the twenty and two: made a catchable ball when throwing to the sideline. He gave the guy a chance to catch the ball...sure it's an incompletion but that's a nice ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I do feel bad for Tyrod. He is a tremendous athlete and a stand up guy. But he's just not an NFL QB. He can and has been effective in the right offence, with the right coordinator and the right playcalls and gameplan. But when it was announced that Dennison was going to run a WC offence, or variant thereof, I was shocked. I could not imagine a scheme less suited to Tyrod's skillset. And if I know that I have to believe that the Bills coaches know that (at least they should by now). They have tried to make him execute from the pocket and there is a reason for that. The reason is that giving Tyrod the "right" scheme and plays may occasionally result in success but it will never result in success consistently, and most notably when it most matters. And that's because any good defensive front, like the Jets or the Saints or the Ravens or any team you are likely going to have to beat to reach the playoffs (and certainly to compete against in the playoffs) can take away what Tyrod does well and force him to do what he does not do well - work from the pocket, "be a QB". If Tyrod could do that he would probably be amongst the best and most versatile signal callers in the game - like Russell Wilson - but he can't and never has, not for a world of trying. Its really unfortunate, tragic even. Surely the braintrust must now understand that Tyrod is out of options. So what do you do? The Bills are 5/4 and still in the playoff race. Every year a couple of mediocre teams, teams with major flaws, make the playoffs. Teams like the Bills. If you stick with Tyrod you pretty much know in advance that you will fail. So why would you go with him? You do it either because you are afraid to ruffle feathers (Tyrod is well liked) or because you are putting your own name on a rebuild and you really don't care what happens this year. Neither of those are good reasons. Organizationally they point to a lack of courage/leadership and to a cynical hypocrisy when they say that they are not tanking and that they have the will to win. What they should do of course, as any reasonable observer not psychologically committed to an agenda fully understands, is start the rook. What he does best is what you want your QB to do in this offence. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that what he does best will simply not be good enuf for a host of reasons. At this point it really doesn't matter because he is your only hope. Not a great place to be but its where you're at regardless. And imo there is some basis for hoping. I really don't care that he is a fifth rounder. I don't care that he is far from being a phenomenal athlete. All that means nothing (or at least not very much) to me. He's a good enuf athlete and has enuf arm strength to execute Dennison's offence. I think there is a possibility that he is smart, I mean the way good QBs are smart. And if he is really really smart I think he can be a good QB. Lets find out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Exactly wrong. They aren't experimenting with a rookie Quarterback based on mop up duty while they remain in playoff contention. Staying the course with TT is not going to make it to the Playoffs, may as well see what the Rookie can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I do not want them to trade up. There are enough good QB prospects that one should be available at our original pick. Like you say we have too many other holes to fill. I think you nailed it on the head. Pick the QB with our first pick and fill in holes after that. If they grab a QB, I'd expect the oline to be addressed twice early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 12/10 - Week 14 vs. Colts Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badanswer Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ROONDOGG55 said: Garbage time? Yes. But the dude hit Benjamin without any problems and probably has thrown absolutely zero times to him in practice this past week. You know TT took every chance to build a chemistry with this guy and did nothing with it. Peterman comes in and hits him with ease, while barely warming up. I just can't get passed it. 3 targets the first drive, then nothing? We've seen the same thing with Watkins / Woods the last few years as well. TT just can't stay in a rhythm with his receivers, or loses trust in his ability to throw it to them. It's almost like he thinks he'll get picked off if he throws it to them too often. Some kind of psychological barrier is preventing him from making those plays. Love the guy, but damn dude just get out of your head and throw them the ball. THIS...I keep telling my son inlaw....I think Taylor is afraid to get intercepted...Throw the freakin thing and let your receiver make a play....absurd Tyrod is still our starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: I do feel bad for Tyrod. He is a tremendous athlete and a stand up guy. But he's just not an NFL QB. He can and has been effective in the right offence, with the right coordinator and the right playcalls and gameplan. But when it was announced that Dennison was going to run a WC offence, or variant thereof, I was shocked. I could not imagine a scheme less suited to Tyrod's skillset. And if I know that I have to believe that the Bills coaches know that (at least they should by now). They have tried to make him execute from the pocket and there is a reason for that. The reason is that giving Tyrod the "right" scheme and plays may occasionally result in success but it will never result in success consistently, and most notably when it most matters. And that's because any good defensive front, like the Jets or the Saints or the Ravens or any team you are likely going to have to beat to reach the playoffs (and certainly to compete against in the playoffs) can take away what Tyrod does well and force him to do what he does not do well - work from the pocket, "be a QB". If Tyrod could do that he would probably be amongst the best and most versatile signal callers in the game - like Russell Wilson - but he can't and never has, not for a world of trying. Its really unfortunate, tragic even. Surely the braintrust must now understand that Tyrod is out of options. So what do you do? The Bills are 5/4 and still in the playoff race. Every year a couple of mediocre teams, teams with major flaws, make the playoffs. Teams like the Bills. If you stick with Tyrod you pretty much know in advance that you will fail. So why would you go with him? You do it either because you are afraid to ruffle feathers (Tyrod is well liked) or because you are putting your own name on a rebuild and you really don't care what happens this year. Neither of those are good reasons. Organizationally they point to a lack of courage/leadership and to a cynical hypocrisy when they say that they are not tanking and that they have the will to win. What they should do of course, as any reasonable observer not psychologically committed to an agenda fully understands, is start the rook. What he does best is what you want your QB to do in this offence. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that what he does best will simply not be good enuf for a host of reasons. At this point it really doesn't matter because he is your only hope. Not a great place to be but its where you're at regardless. And imo there is some basis for hoping. I really don't care that he is a fifth rounder. I don't care that he is far from being a phenomenal athlete. All that means nothing (or at least not very much) to me. He's a good enuf athlete and has enuf arm strength to execute Dennison's offence. I think there is a possibility that he is smart, I mean the way good QBs are smart. And if he is really really smart I think he can be a good QB. Lets find out. That was an intelligent nice refreshing read. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Exactly wrong. They aren't experimenting with a rookie Quarterback based on mop up duty while they remain in playoff contention. Serious question. What about Taylor makes you think he can save this season? What have you seen the last 3 seasons that makes you think he's all of a sudden gonna change. Have we not done this enough in the last 10ish years? Stuck with a guy who isn't it? Jp losman, trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick. At least Doug Marrone had the scones to bench Ej manuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Staying the course with TT is not going to make it to the Playoffs, may as well see what the Rookie can do. Fan talk. Not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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