BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) The correct term is "fewer" wins. If you're going to be negative, be correct. I couldn't give fewer !@#$s.And this is arguably the dumbest comment Ive read since joining TBD.Why are the Pegulas great owners?Lmao! I'm glad to have them as compared to Irsay or Khan....You'd be silly. The Colts have a franchise QB and went to the AFC Championship game since the Pegulas bought the team. The Bills in that time period have let go their best coach in 10 years, hired one of their worst coaches in franchise history, and muddled around .500 all while the team has gotten worse and worse on paper. Oh, and the Pegulas have a nasty habit of saying they believe in the guys they are paying just a few weeks before dumping them unceremoniously. Makes them look silly. Maybe not as silly as a drug addiction but.. Edited September 17, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I couldn't give fewer !@#$s. Why are the Pegulas great owners? You'd be silly. The Colts have a franchise QB and went to the AFC Championship game since the Pegulas bought the team. The Bills in that time period have let go their best coach in 10 years, hired one of their worst coaches in franchise history, and muddled around .500 all while the team has gotten worse and worse on paper. Who'd they let go? Marrone quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I think the Pegulas are good owners. Marrone set the team way back by quitting and that led to the mistake hiring of Rex Hope the Sabres are now on the right track. The development they made next to the arena is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 D. That largely has to do with the Rex hire that one could telegraph how it ended. A waste of 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) They've been the arguably the worst owners in both leagues since they joined. F. I'm so over the "new owners" excuse. I don't quite agree with your observation only because there are some really crappy owners who've been around a lot longer, but I gave them a D for the Bills. I gave them an F for the Sabres because they've done nothing. The Pegulas are working toward the goal of being the worst, though. As long as they leave Russ Brandon in charge of the teams -- and don't doubt that he is -- neither the Bills nor the Sabres will be better than mediocre because the emphasis will always be at maximizing profits over winning football or hockey games. Edited September 17, 2017 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Less wins. Wasted years with incompetent FO's and HC's at the helm. Bad hires made from marketing standpoints rather than things that actually matter on the field. Optics, they truly appear like they don't have a single clue on how to run a franchise, which is probably the worse they could look. We basically have Dan Snyder with his wife, Dan Snyder, as owners. Bad bad bad. How do the Bills have less wins? 9-7, 8-8, 7-9, 1-0 is 25-24. That's better than what we had.Do some homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Who'd they let go? Marrone quit Marrone was open to staying, but was unafraid to use his contract option as leverage in negotiations. Rather than ensure their best head coach the team had seen in a decade would stay, the Pegulas made the executive decision to instead put all their eggs into the basket of one Doug Whaley, a man whose only claim to fame at the time was the Sammy Watkins trade up ( ) and still believing EJ Manuel was going to be our franchise QB ( ). It is ironic that two of the biggest contract extension situations in the Pegula era ended up polar opposites in terms of how they were treated. Doug Marrone, coming off winning the most games in a Bill season in 10 years, was given no assurances for him and his staff, but Marcel Dareus, noted drug addict, idiot and selfish teammate was given everything he wanted in a contract extension, including a free pass to get high and miss games. What a consistent message by ownership. Is it any wonder we've been floundering? It's hard to beat 31 other NFL teams AND yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I couldn't give fewer !@#$s. Why are the Pegulas great owners? You'd be silly. The Colts have a franchise QB and went to the AFC Championship game since the Pegulas bought the team. The Bills in that time period have let go their best coach in 10 years, hired one of their worst coaches in franchise history, and muddled around .500 all while the team has gotten worse and worse on paper. Oh, and the Pegulas have a nasty habit of saying they believe in the guys they are paying just a few weeks before dumping them unceremoniously. Makes them look silly. Maybe not as silly as a drug addiction but.. Marrone quit. Do some homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How do the Bills have less wins? 9-7, 8-8, 7-9, 1-0 is 25-24. That's better than what we had.Do some homework. The have had less wins every year since the Pegulas got involved. As you just showed. They took a 9-7 team and slowly destroyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Smaller sample size than Ralph's Bills but encouraging for sure. Under Ralph they were right around .340 win percentage- that says alot. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) I couldn't give fewer !@#$s. Why are the Pegulas great owners? You'd be silly. The Colts have a franchise QB and went to the AFC Championship game since the Pegulas bought the team. The Bills in that time period have let go their best coach in 10 years, hired one of their worst coaches in franchise history, and muddled around .500 all while the team has gotten worse and worse on paper. Oh, and the Pegulas have a nasty habit of saying they believe in the guys they are paying just a few weeks before dumping them unceremoniously. Makes them look silly. Maybe not as silly as a drug addiction but.. Lol....talk about silly! You're just being obstinately negative. Yeah, Indy #suckedforLuck. They got a franchise QB...and NOTHING else! If we're delving deeper, look at it like this...Pegs have hired one GM thus far. Shouldn't we give that more than one game before we assume they are horrible owners who can't make a good hire? There's not enough sample size to label them poor owners at this point...silly silly boy. I guess every other owner in the league talks crap about players before dumping them right? That sure seems the norm(sarcasm). What good would it do to not talk up your guys? Crazy take by you on that notion Edited September 17, 2017 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The have had less wins every year since the Pegulas got involved. As you just showed. They took a 9-7 team and slowly destroyed it. Come on. That 9-7 team would have been 8-8 if NE needed that last game. 8-8 in 2015. If TT plays in the Jets game last year, 8-8 again. An average team going 8-8. How terrible. Lol....talk about silly! You're just being obstinately negative. Yeah, Indy #suckedforLuck. They got a franchise QB...and NOTHING else! If we're delving deeper, look at it like this...Pegs have hired one GM thus far. Shouldn't we give that more than one game before we assume they are horrible owners who can't make a good hire? There's not enough sample size to label them poor owners at this point...silly silly boy And Indy without Luck could be worse than the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Come on. That 9-7 team would have been 8-8 if NE needed that last game. 8-8 in 2015. If TT plays in the Jets game last year, 8-8 again. An average team going 8-8. How terrible. And Indy without Luck could be worse than the Jets. If you changed the records of all those years, then yes, they would be the same. But reality is different. Lol....talk about silly! You're just being obstinately negative. Yeah, Indy #suckedforLuck. They got a franchise QB...and NOTHING else! If we're delving deeper, look at it like this...Pegs have hired one GM thus far. Shouldn't we give that more than one game before we assume they are horrible owners who can't make a good hire? There's not enough sample size to label them poor owners at this point...silly silly boy. I guess every other owner in the league talks crap about players before dumping them right? That sure seems the norm(sarcasm). What good would it do to not talk up your guys? Crazy take by you on that notion The Pegulas have been owners since 2014. They have had more than one game under their belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If you changed the records of all those years, then yes, they would be the same. But reality is different. The Pegulas have been owners since 2014. They have had more than one game under their belt. One whole game. What a change up. SMH. One game if Brady played which is a fact, one game if TT played, which is a fact. 25-24 is not terrible. Average, which is what the Bills rosters have been. This season is uncertain yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 They get an F from me until we break the playoff drought. (I know, unfair, and harsh, but go big or go home) A bit of perspective is that only a handful of teams would be longer droughts even if we forgave the Ralph segment of this. If we don't go this year, and a rookie next year doesn't immediately break the streak, we would already be back in noteworthy status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If you changed the records of all those years, then yes, they would be the same. But reality is different. The Pegulas have been owners since 2014. They have had more than one game under their belt. I was saying one game for their first GM hire..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If you changed the records of all those years, then yes, they would be the same. But reality is different. The Pegulas have been owners since 2014. They have had more than one game under their belt. Being .500 since they were owners is not terrible. Sorry. If this current regime doesn't work out, then it starts to get different, but not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I was saying one game for their first GM hire..... When they kept Whaley he became their hire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Retained. Thats not a hire. They didn't interview him for an open position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Oooo ans will always star a C until Bills and Sabres are in playoffs year after year. Anyone that has them graded higher than a C is being way to nice to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I'm so over the "new owners" excuse. I don't quite agree with your observation only because there are some really crappy owners who've been around a lot longer, but I gave them a D for the Bills. I gave them an F for the Sabres because they've done nothing. The Pegulas are working toward the goal of being the worst, though. As long as they leave Russ Brandon in charge of the teams -- and don't doubt that he is -- neither the Bills nor the Sabres will be better than mediocre because the emphasis will always be at maximizing profits over winning football or hockey games. Stop with the crap about Brandon. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Oooo ans will always star a C until Bills and Sabres are in playoffs year after year. Anyone that has them graded higher than a C is being way to nice to them. Well,, I don't follow hockey too much, but i gave them a B for the Bills, so far. 25-24 isn't terrible. better than what we had. We'll see how it goes. Stop with the crap about Brandon. It's ridiculous. 25-24 with the Bills isn't terrible. Even if they lose today, 25-25 isn't terrible. Want better, and hopefully they are slowly getting it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I gave them a C for the bills, at this point. the ryan circus hire set the team back. if McD/Beane can clean up the mess that grade could certainly improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Well,, I don't follow hockey too much, but i gave them a B for the Bills, so far. 25-24 isn't terrible. better than what we had. We'll see how it goes. 25-24 with the Bills isn't terrible. Even if they lose today, 25-25 isn't terrible. Want better, and hopefully they are slowly getting it right. That record is AVG. a C is AVG. D and F for losing, B and A reserved for winning. So C they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Retained. Thats not a hire. They didn't interview him for an open position You can argue semantics but they even gave him an extension. For better and worse he was theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 That record is AVG. a C is AVG. D and F for losing, B and A reserved for winning. So C they are. Maybe. I like the B because it is a better effort than anything RW would have given at the last stages of his life, which he probably wasn't in control much anyways. Plus keeping the team here pushes me to a B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Being .500 since they were owners is not terrible. Sorry. If this current regime doesn't work out, then it starts to get different, but not yet. That's your opinion, I guess. I think this team getting worse every year is an actual bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 You can argue semantics but they even gave him an extension. For better and worse he was theirs.I get what you're saying. But in all honesty, there was no process behind retaining him. He was there. They kept/extended him. It failed. They gutted the whole thing and made all new hires. Let's see how it goes beyond one game vs jests before labeling them as bad owners, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 That's your opinion, I guess. I think this team getting worse every year is an actual bad thing. so after one (this year) game you're still projecting they're getting worse every year? I know, it was the jets so being 1-0 and 1-0 in the division is not classified as a good thing, but a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) I'm not exactly sure what more I could expect from the Pegulas. First of all the both the Sabres and Bills are here. Both teams were were in limbo for a while. No one is worried about the Bills moving in the near future. The Pagulas have spent lots of money helping to upgrade the city of Buffalo. The green space at the waterfront is beautiful. They seem to have a philosophy of giving each organization what it needs to succeed. From this mornings BN: "The Sabres are using the two-rink pad at HarborCenter to their advantage. They are skating for 45 minutes on the auxiliary rink before immediately moving to the main rink for another 45 minutes. "It's an advantage that we have over other teams," Housley said. "We get to utilize our resources here at the HarborCenter. I just like it. The execution's much better. The puck sits flatter. Guys look faster, and they are faster because of the fresh ice. We're going to utilize that a lot this year. " Finally, they are not afraid to admit their mistakes and move on. How many guys are getting paid NOT to work for the Pegulas? Murray, Bylsma, Whaley, Ryan. Edited September 17, 2017 by I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Fan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 A The Bills are still in Buffalo. They are willing to spend the monday to make better teams. They still have a way to go to get it right but who else was willing to step up and buy the Bills and keep them in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 so after one (this year) game you're still projecting they're getting worse every year? I know, it was the jets so being 1-0 and 1-0 in the division is not classified as a good thing, but a bad thing? We have no idea how this season will turn out. I'm not currently including it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 They don't owe us anything. They saved our Bills. That's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Marrone quit. Do some homework. Well, that's the official line. Maybe he did but maybe his situation was made so untenable that he had to leave. People are forced out of jobs all the time through management actions that create hostile work environments. Ask any woman over thirty-five who works/worked in a male dominated profession how that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 They moved up from a C- to a solid B the day they finally fired Whaley. Not a Sabres fan is leading the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just remember if it weren't for the Pegulas you wouldn't have the Bills, or maybe even the Sabres, to B word about, or most of the development at the foot of Main Street. We are so lucky to still have our teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just remember if it weren't for the Pegulas you wouldn't have the Bills, or maybe even the Sabres, to B word about, or most of the development at the foot of Main Street. We are so lucky to still have our teams. Dont be so sure of that. There wete alot of protections from Ralph in place to keep Bills in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Seems a lot of people are still grading based on keeping the team, or just against Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 We have no idea how this season will turn out. I'm not currently including it. that's cool then, I misinterpreted your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Stop with the crap about Brandon. It's ridiculous. It's only "ridiculous" because you don't want to believe it. They moved up from a C- to a solid B the day they finally fired Whaley. Not a Sabres fan is leading the vote. Who, exactly, hired Whaley? Let me give you a hint: the same person who hired Beane ... and Nix before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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