Bill from NYC Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I'll start.....To define terms, I am looking at the trades as 1 move for the sake of this post. In all, I am still against these moves because: 1) I think we could have received more than a #2 and a bad corner for Watkins. 2) I never thought Darby was THAT bad . 3) We are now weak at WR despite an early pick in 2017. 4) I truly believe that out of the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds of the 2018 draft, half or more will consist of running backs and secondary. That really sucks. Despite the above, I am starting to cool off a bit from my initial burst of anger because: 1) Watkins, although extremely talented, PROBABLY didn't want to play here any more than Gilmore did. Although I am not one to endorse giving in to players (ala the Peters trade), I CAN appreciate that the new bosses want to play the games with their own players. I'm not convinced that they know what they are doing, but maybe they do have a clue. 2) It would seem to be a sure thing that they will draft a qb in 2018 and supposedly there are some good ones. 3) Maybe, just maybe I will be wrong about #3 above and the Bills will add some blockers and pass rushers. 4) There is nothing I can do about it and I am too old to allow myself to get as angry as I used to at the follies I have seen from this team. 5) No matter how mad I was or ever will be at the Bills, what's the difference? I will support them until I am carted off this planet. Is anybody else tempering their hard line stance in either direction? GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) Enter C.Bisquit97 with a Julio Jones/Sammy Watkins 3yr stat comparison in 3..2...1....... 5) No matter how mad I was or ever will be at the Bills, what's the difference? I will support them until I am carted off this planet. +1 Edited August 13, 2017 by r00tabaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I'm disappointed but mainly because we got so unlucky with Sammy. This could be the beginning of a new era for the Bills but as ever it's wait and see now. On the plus side, Brandon can't be involved much with football now there is no way Mr Marketing would let Sammy and Darby be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I need to see these receivers work before I say we are weak at WR.....we appear to have a group of very good receivers but no elite ones. Last year.....Goodwin at one point was like our best receiver on the field They all appear to be scheme fits I am just sad because Sammy was my favorite player.....Darby has struggled but looked good that 1st year...in a way he is a lot like Gaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think even though we lost Sammy we have the potential for a better offense than last season. So we might not be as good as we could with Sammy we have still improved on last season if these guys are healthy. We had so many injuries to wr last year. That could mean better play from tyrod and even shady. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 A 2nd from the Rams is going to be in the 33-37 range. I liked Sammy too but being objective with everything we know I'm fine with it. I look st it this way. Let's say Sammy and Matthews put up like numbers and Gaines and Darby do also. This is quite possible. Come next April we will be extremely happy with these trades. Time will tell, Sammy was the fourth pick in the draft he could be great in the future. He also could hurt his foot again and be labeled as injury prone and never have the career we wanted him to have in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) I'm disappointed but mainly because we got so unlucky with Sammy. This could be the beginning of a new era for the Bills but as ever it's wait and see now. On the plus side, Brandon can't be involved much with football now there is no way Mr Marketing would let Sammy and Darby be traded. Exactly correct, and when you look at it that way, the arrow is finally pointed upward for this organization. The past regime has been completely repudiated, thanks Pegs. Edited August 13, 2017 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 We took a step back and Beanes ridiculous were trying to win at all times has zero credibility. Ive said numerous times that Watkins injury issues were a big concern BUT there have been other star players with similar histories and to me this move demostrated a complete lack of patience and forsight. If the goal is to win, you keep one of your most explosive players, hope hes past the injury issue, and you put your best foot forward(no pun intended). You can franchise him next year and work on a long term deal.If your trying to rebuild. Gut the team as much as possible and shoot for 1-15. All this middling crap is gonna do is keep us between 6-10 and 8-8 for another decade. After a couple of days of cooling off this is all Ive got. Just more frustration and another wasted season. I feel bad for those of you who shell out your hard earned dollar for seasons tix. You deserve more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 So they should gut as much as possible, but when they trade a guy like Sammy that's wrong. Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) So they should gut as much as possible, but when they trade a guy like Sammy that's wrong. Makes perfect sense. Im saying go one way or the other. Not that hard to follow unless your just looking for a fight because you dont like what I wrote. I would have kept Watkins, maintained the offense, and concentrated on improving the defense. That better? Edited August 13, 2017 by Billsmovinup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 When it comes right down to it, love the move or hate it. The Bills really don't care about our opinions. They're gonna do what they're gonna do. Whether the goal is to win championship's or just make as much money as they can. They're going to stick to the plan. I'm over it know. I realize that even if you are a season ticket holder, your opinion means nothing. I'll always root for the only team I love. But I understand it's a business first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 We took a step back and Beanes ridiculous were trying to win at all times has zero credibility. Ive said numerous times that Watkins injury issues were a big concern BUT there have been other star players with similar histories and to me this move demostrated a complete lack of patience and forsight. If the goal is to win, you keep one of your most explosive players, hope hes past the injury issue, and you put your best foot forward(no pun intended). You can franchise him next year and work on a long term deal.If your trying to rebuild. Gut the team as much as possible and shoot for 1-15. All this middling crap is gonna do is keep us between 6-10 and 8-8 for another decade. After a couple of days of cooling off this is all Ive got. Just more frustration and another wasted season. I feel bad for those of you who shell out your hard earned dollar for seasons tix. You deserve more. Just FYI we were 2-6 with Sammy in the lineup last year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 At first, I was pretty emotional about the trade. I was at the beach with my gf. When I got the update on phone she could literally see my mood go from one extreme to another. She stated it looked like I just found out my dog died. Felt like a punch to the gut, I became pretty attached to Sammy, but, I also felt deep down the odds were against us resigning him. Darby, he was drafted to be a man coverage corner, but, the optimist in me wanted to believe Zone could help him bounce back from his sophomore slump. I didn't know what the FO motive possibly could be at first. Then I took into account that Beane and McDermott recently came from a franchise that lost their number one WR in 2015 to injury but still were able to get to the Super Bowl with a strong defense, solid running game and a franchise QB. Does it mean they're going about it the right away? No at all. We don't have our franchise QB yet. I like Tyrod for his positive traits he brings to the team and think you can win with him if you have a very strong defense. It seems they're willing to trade off fan favorites and are willing to accept the backlash from it if it means they can acquire currency to get their franchise guy. I'm willing to take the optimistic approach to this entire scenario. I know change can be nerve racking and uneasy. It's new, especially seeing we have not seen a GM or HC operate like this during the drought. I'm willing to embrace it, what else could go wrong? Another year without the playoffs? In the end it taught me one thing; do not buy Bills jerseys 😂 I now have a Darby and Watkins jersey that will collect dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) When it comes right down to it, love the move or hate it. The Bills really don't care about our opinions. They're gonna do what they're gonna do. Whether the goal is to win championship's or just make as much money as they can. They're going to stick to the plan. I'm over it know. I realize that even if you are a season ticket holder, your opinion means nothing. I'll always root for the only team I love. But I understand it's a business first. I agree. And Ill be the first to admit Beane and Mcdermott have forgotten more about football than Ill ever know. Hopefully they prove just how little I know and theyll get us back to the playoffs asap. Edited August 13, 2017 by Billsmovinup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Im saying go one way or the other. Not that hard to follow unless your just looking for a fight because you dont like what I wrote. I would have kept Watkins, maintained the offense, and concentrated on improving the defense. That better? Similar to my thought. Gutting would be ridiculous. I think something was going on in the background with Sammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 What made me feel a little better is that an LA Rams 2nd rounder might as well be a late 1st. They are picking top 5 for sure. If Gaines ends up starting then that's a bonus. For a guy that wasn't going to be re-signed and may very well not even re-sign with LA, I think that's an acceptable deal. Blame Whaley for trading so much to get Watkins in such a deep WR draft. That's not Beane's fault. He got what he could. As for Darby, he is a man to man guy. He's not going to be physical enough to play zone and help out in the run. You change defenses you have to change personnel. It is what it is. If you don't want to get rid of good players that only fit certain schemes then don't change defenses so often. Ragland could be next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Just FYI we were 2-6 with Sammy in the lineup last year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Feel free to tell me the points given up by the defense in those eight games. Having star caliber players on your team never hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 At first, I was pretty emotional about the trade. I was at the beach with my gf. When I got the update on phone she could literally see my mood go from one extreme to another. She stated it looked like I just found out my dog died. Felt like a punch to the gut, I became pretty attached to Sammy, but, I also felt deep down the odds were against us resigning him. Darby, he was drafted to be a man coverage corner, but, the optimist in me wanted to believe Zone could help him bounce back from his sophomore slump. I didn't know what the FO motive possibly could be at first. Then I took into account that Beane and McDermott recently came from a franchise that lost their number one WR in 2015 to injury but still were able to get to the Super Bowl with a strong defense, solid running game and a franchise QB. Does it mean they're going about it the right away? No at all. We don't have our franchise QB yet. I like Tyrod for his positive traits he brings to the team and think you can win with him if you have a very strong defense. It seems they're willing to trade off fan favorites and are willing to accept the backlash from it if it means they can acquire currency to get their franchise guy. I'm willing to take the optimistic approach to this entire scenario. I know change can be nerve racking and uneasy. It's new, especially seeing we have not seen a GM or HC operate like this during the drought. I'm willing to embrace it, what else could go wrong? Another year without the playoffs? In the end it taught me one thing; do not buy Bills jerseys I now have a Darby and Watkins jersey that will collect dust. This is why i have my Fitzpatrick jersey, love that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Similar to my thought. Gutting would be ridiculous. I think something was going on in the background with Sammy That could very well be true. Its something well never know in all likelyhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Just FYI we were 2-6 with Sammy in the lineup last year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Feel free to tell me the points given up by the defense in those eight games. Having star caliber players on your team never hurts. Now your head is in the right place. This year more than anything is about the defense. Our offense took 2 steps forward from last year but a half step back or of the two steps losing Sammy. If the defense takes 2 steps this team is good Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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