Agent 91 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 No. I hated the idea of hiring a coach before the GM. The Pegulas, who I totally am in debt for what they have done in Buffalo, have no idea how to run a NFL or NHL franchise. FIXED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I believe they have clear and concrete vision on what they would like this team to look like, whereas I never really got that feeling with Whaley. For me Whaley had an eye for talent but no vision. Â Whether or not this vision will lead us in the right direction, well...... I suppose we will just have to see. i tell people this all the time. whatleys problem was he didnt follow his vision. he just was a talent evaluator. brandon rex and marrone all had theirs visions and Whaley helped build them He was given a list of needs and filled them every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) i tell people this all the time. whatleys problem was he didnt follow his vision. he just was a talent evaluator. brandon rex and marrone all had theirs visions and Whaley helped build them He was given a list of needs and filled them every time. Interesting take, I never thought of it in those terms. Whay approach do you like to see you GM take for talent acquisition? As for MCDermot and Beane, why not let them try? Look they have acquired draft picks for the next draft to help them build. They have traded and removed or released players that they felt were not in the long term plan. They made none of these moves to save money for the owner but to give themselves ability to spend where needed when needed. This is a three year process . This is how it was done 15-20 years ago to really fix teams. The coach and GM are not dumb. They know the Bills don't have talent to beat the greatest coach and QB combo in the history of the game. I think this is going to be a tough year to watch . I also think this is the beginning of something good. Edited September 3, 2017 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I thought that I would when we brought them to the Bills, but after seeing all these moves I am becoming more skeptical. Â To me, it appears they are placing too much emphasis on their system and players that fit what they want at the expense of talent that they should be fitting into the system. Â I really think they are going to have to nail a ton of draft picks to justify what they are trying to do, and even then if they still don't get the QB, they are sunk as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 i tell people this all the time. whatleys problem was he didnt follow his vision. he just was a talent evaluator. brandon rex and marrone all had theirs visions and Whaley helped build them He was given a list of needs and filled them every time. Â A fair bit of truth in this, imho. Â Unfortunately for Whaley, a lot of circumstances conspired to prevent him being able to push a 'vision', assuming he had one. Â Tbh, when Marrone did a runner, Whaley should have said to the Pegulas, now is the time for change, and pushed hard to get the juice to appoint the next HC (prior to Ryan), and to make whatever changes he felt were necessary at that point in time. In effect, getting the sort of leeway, that McDermott and Beane currently are enjoying. Â As he didn't, he pretty much has only himself to blame for the way things panned out, even though I think he can probably work with just about any type of HC if necessary, as a talent evaluator, and someone who will bring in the best available talent to suit what that HC wants. Â It might be that he doesn't actually have a strong enough desire to be a true GM, but if he does, then if he ever gets another shot at it, I think it won't be without demanding the final say on what HC to hire etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 As to how much I 'trust' Beane and McDermott, currently not so much. I will say that they obviously have a great deal of belief in what they are doing, but I'm unconvinced they are the 'smartest guys in the room', which appears to be their current approach. Â While regime change will inevitably lead to some personnel changes, too often in the NFL, teams appear to throw the baby out with the bathwater (and not just the Bills), in messing up stuff that works while attempting to get better, supposedly, everywhere. Â As things stand, I see McDermott and Beane as little different in that respect, to how things, generally, seem to be done throughout the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 With the release of Jonathan Williams, it's now NFW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valle7878 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 NOPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 With the release of Jonathan Williams, it's now NFW! yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I was trusting but now releasing Williams and the trade with Panters has me scratching my head a little ok ALOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Nope. The mcbean dumb dumb team has proven themselves to be moronic hacks, cutting good young players to keep old has beens. It's one thing to revamp / rebuild, but burning down everything the last regime did without pause is dumb. It's over. They are not only tanking this season, they will be tanking forever with these losers at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 NO! And, the guy who hired them is a big, fat NO as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 We seem to be getting older and slower and less talented. Other than that,everything's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 No and they remind me of Josh McDaniels in Denver destroying the team. He hasn't even coached one game yet. Look at Cleveland they've had how many draft picks over the years and they can't do anything. Â Why let new people destroy what good was on the team? And the owner is asleep at the wheel again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 We seem to be getting older and slower and less talented. Other than that,everything's fine. This had me laughing. Unfortunately, it is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I figured they would use the whole season to evaluate talent. Apparently they are quicker than that. If McD and Beane know talent, we should trust them. There should be no half measures, TT and Shady should go and in two years we could have an amazing nucleus. Really/ They have never shown that they know talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 We seem to be getting older and slower and less talented. Other than that,everything's fine. Pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 To the OP, no, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I don't trust them. Trust is earned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 The fact that so many of you dislike what they are doing gives me hope. The Bills are not going to be good this year most likely. Three years. Let's see where they are in 2020. After hearing where and how these two guys started in the League, they are going to figure it out. Pegs has to be patient. They will make mistakes but they are smart and humble and will learn from them. These two men have been successful and will be successful in these roles. I hope it's with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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