xRUSHx Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Did anyone here suggest Peterman over Yates as the #2? I'm asking for a friend...Many have been saying Peterman already outshines Yates for #2 in multiple threads. So your answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 What the hell is a Yates, anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Many have been saying Peterman already outshines Yates for #2 in multiple threads. So your answer is yes. You got whooshed by sarcasm. Now slow your role....errr roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Tyrod's not a perfect QB, but he's easily the best on the team. So you want to throw a rookie who's not ready for prime time just for ***** and grins? You can forget about that because McDermott and company are trying to win games. Yeah, no one debates this except for a few TBD contrarians. Even Ryan agrees with this despite his disdain for TT. No one that I have seen thinks that the Bills have a better option at QB. Their issue is "why run Tyrod out there if he's going to get you to 7-9?" It's not a bad argument. Either be bad enough to replace him or go to the playoffs. Mediocrity is the worst place to be. Many have been saying Peterman already outshines Yates for #2 in multiple threads. So your answer is yes.I was first so please give me the respect that I deserve. Edited August 11, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Tyrod's not a perfect QB, but he's easily the best on the team. So you want to throw a rookie who's not ready for prime time just for ***** and grins? You can forget about that because McDermott and company are trying to win games. Dak got thrown to the wolves in Dallas so yes I'd be all in favor of watching a rookie in Peterman over Tyrod running around and not winning. With Peterman we don't know what is possible but with Tyrod its already over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, no one debates this except for a few TBD contractions. Even Ryan agrees with this despite his disdain for TT. No one that I have seen thinks that the Bills have a better option at QB. Their issue is "why run Tyrod out there if he's going to get you to 7-9?" It's not a bad argument. Either be bad enough to replace him or go to the playoffs. Mediocrity is the worst place to be. Better tell that to McDermott and the rest of the crew at OBD. From a long suffering fan POV I get it, but NFL teams don't think like that. They have ammo for 2018 to replace Tyrod should he not measure up as the guy like many suspect he won't. Dak got thrown to the wolves in Dallas so yes I'd be all in favor of watching a rookie in Peterman over Tyrod running around and not winning. With Peterman we don't know what is possible but with Tyrod its already over. Dak and NP aren't even close to the same. Dak was an aberration. You must have not watched Peterman tonight to even think of making that comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, no one debates this except for a few TBD contractions. Even Ryan agrees with this despite his disdain for TT. No one that I have seen thinks that the Bills have a better option at QB. Their issue is "why run Tyrod out there if he's going to get you to 7-9?" It's not a bad argument. Either be bad enough to replace him or go to the playoffs. Mediocrity is the worst place to be. I was first so please give me the respect that I deserve. You were the first? Sorry man I wasn't paying attention to names on so many posts to read on gameday thread.Well alrighty then I thought you were asking a question, my bad, all hail Kirby you the man that was first to call it. Respect Better tell that to McDermott and the rest of the crew at OBD. From a long suffering fan POV I get it, but NFL teams don't think like that. They have ammo for 2018 to replace Tyrod should he not measure up as the guy like many suspect he won't. Dak and NP aren't even close to the same. Dak was an aberration. You must have not watched Peterman tonight to even think of making that comparison. Hey man all I'm thinking about is next year's draft but if Peterman can light up a season and show the fans we don't need to draft a QB in 2018 I'm all for it. With Tyrod its no different then watching Fitz or any other scrub backup from another teams backup pile. Been there done that. Just not good enough just leads me to the same thing I've been screaming for years, draft a top QB in round one and build around him not the other way around. Until a real franchise worthy QB is found it just doesnt matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 You were the first? Sorry man I wasn't paying attention to names on so many posts to read on gameday thread. Well alrighty then I thought you were asking a question, my bad, all hail Kirby you the man that was first to call it. Respect Hey man all I'm thinking about is next year's draft but if Peterman can light up a season and show the fans we don't need to draft a QB in 2018 I'm all for it. With Tyrod its no different then watching Fitz or any other scrub backup from another teams backup pile. Been there done that. Just not good enough just leads me to the same thing I've been screaming for years, draft a top QB in round one and build around him not the other way around. Until a real franchise worthy QB is found it just doesnt matter. I don't see him as that kind of prospect. Anquan Boldin, Kyle Williams, Richie Incognito, Eric Wood, Lorenzo Alexander, et al. couldn't care less about the 2018 draft. They want to win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, no one debates this except for a few TBD contractions. Even Ryan agrees with this despite his disdain for TT. No one that I have seen thinks that the Bills have a better option at QB. Their issue is "why run Tyrod out there if he's going to get you to 7-9?" It's not a bad argument. Either be bad enough to replace him or go to the playoffs. Mediocrity is the worst place to be. I was first so please give me the respect that I deserve. Tanking the season for a QB is the last thing this fan base needs to endure in my humble opinion. How are the Colts and A Luck working out? I don't think you could expect a better outcome at QB. You need good systems in place on both sides of the football, good coaches and players or the superstar QB you just drafted is not going to shine. He may even get ruined by the time you do build a team around him thats good enough to win. Seahawks is a good model to follow IMO Kirb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I don't see him as that kind of prospect. Anquan Boldin, Kyle Williams, Richie Incognito, Eric Wood, Lorenzo Alexander, et al. couldn't care less about the 2018 draft. They want to win now. we all want to win now, sadly Tyrod isnt the QB to win now with, ask Rex about that.If they want to win now they need to go for the unknown in Peterman because with Tyrod all we have is next year's draft to think about, like it or not. Edited August 11, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 we all want to win now, sadly Tyrod isnt the QB to win now with, ask Rex about that. Ask Rex about his defense that let the team down the last two seasons. Irrespective of that, Peterman isn't going to start ahead of Tyrod no matter how much you wish for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 we all want to win now, sadly Tyrod isnt the QB to win now with, ask Rex about that. If they want to win now they need to go for the unknown in Peterman because with Tyrod all we have is next year's draft to think about, like it or not. Yeah, you've repeated this garbage at least 100 times. It was never fresh and you've never cited a scrap of evidence to back it up. Stop wasting everyone's time, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 It was a great debut for a 5th round pick. He's what you think he is, a project. Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, were considerably better. They all made plays down the field. Peterman's TD toss was a beauty, but everything over the middle was behind or above his receivers. The rest were dump off's that Pop Warner QB's should make. It will be interesting to see how Mahomes fairs. I have hope for the kid, but I really hope we get our franchise guy next year. For all TT is, and I like him a lot, he still can not make all the throws to be the cornerstone of the franchise. I hope I am wrong and the rust comes off. TT's first 3 throws to Sammy were nice, then he crapped out for a bit. Nothing deep. I'm very anxious to see what Jones and Bolden bring next week. For all the talk of Streater, he was a no show. Same with Holmes. It's all pre-season and vanilla so we could all be wrong, but Pete's a #2, Yates needs to step up and earn his roster spot and TT needs to take the next step to be the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) There was absolutely nothing vanilla out of the Vikes D tonight. U couldn't be more wrong. You're not joking. They brought a bunch of different blitzes.and coverages. Edited August 11, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 NP seems to be a natural leader of men. I like Tyrod and hope he takes the next step this season, but I'm also eager to observe NP's development. I feel much better about our QB situation than I have in quite some time. If McDermott can transform the defense back into a formidable unit, we can be a real tough out for teams this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Ask Rex about his defense that let the team down the last two seasons.Irrespective of that, Peterman isn't going to start ahead of Tyrod no matter how much you wish for it. Exactly. Rex's defense got him fired. The Tyrod led offense with the Bills 2013 or 2014 (pre-Rex) defense and Buffalo makes the playoffs. Especially with that 2014 defense. Tyrod is far from the reason Rex got fired. It was his defense, and just his overall incompetence as a head coach - not even getting the proper number of players on the field, or play calls in on time. Not being able to properly teach his defensive scheme. The embarrassing amount of penalties and the list goes on... it was just his overall circus act that got him fired. If Rex had shown to be a competent coach that had things moving in the right direction he'd likely still be here. But it was clear to most everyone that was not the case, hence why he wasn't given more time. I don't think Pegula liked being a constant national media punchline under Rex, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Peterman has Collins' brains, Flutie's legs and Johnson/Edwards arm...the whole package and a solid #2. Sorry, but RJ had an excellent arm. NP does not have that. RJ was lacking many things as a QB; the arm wasn't one of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 He looked good for his 1st start, I was impressed. Very composed under pressure from some odd-man rushes. It looks like there is going to be a battle for #2. Of course, preseason QB play is the ultimate Kool-Aid. As a reminder I should dig up the archived thread from 2 years ago when a lot of people thought we had 3 possible starters on the team after the preseason (yes, people though Cassel and EJ were starting caliber). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, no one debates this except for a few TBD contractions. Even Ryan agrees with this despite his disdain for TT. No one that I have seen thinks that the Bills have a better option at QB. Their issue is "why run Tyrod out there if he's going to get you to 7-9?" It's not a bad argument. Either be bad enough to replace him or go to the playoffs. Mediocrity is the worst place to be. This has been my argument since joining TBD many years ago. Why put X quarterback out there to be a .500 team? We would have had a QB by now if someone listened to me. Tyrod is just the next in a long line of .500 quality QB's. We haven't had a real QB since Bledsoe that had the potential to get us where we wanted to go. Lots of dicking around with sub par QB's where the argument has been maybe if we had a good RB and dominant defense then we might have a shot because such and such team did it without a QB once. Peterman outplayed Yates and deserves a shot with the 2's next game. We know Yates doesn't have it. Let's see what we have otherwise let's keep looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This has been my argument since joining TBD many years ago. Why put X quarterback out there to be a .500 team? We would have had a QB by now if someone listened to me. Tyrod is just the next in a long line of .500 quality QB's. We haven't had a real QB since Bledsoe that had the potential to get us where we wanted to go. Lots of dicking around with sub par QB's where the argument has been maybe if we had a good RB and dominant defense then we might have a shot because such and such team did it without a QB once. Peterman outplayed Yates and deserves a shot with the 2's next game. We know Yates doesn't have it. Let's see what we have otherwise let's keep looking! I think the NFL guys think there's a fine line between "we know X doesn't have it" and "let's wait and see". If a player doesn't fit into either category, then they're in the Yates category of, "at least he gives us a chance". I think this is wrong, mind you, but for some reason that seems to be how it goes. We probably both agree that the best method is to just bring in QBs constantly and not get swept away by the potential. At a certain point someone needs to get groomed, but do we settle for these mediocre QB's because we just want a chance to compete or because we think there's something they could develop into? With Fitzpatrick it seemed obvious, with Taylor it's confusing. To be clear, I would have moved on from Taylor this season, especially with a new offense, simply because we need to keep trying to strike gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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