26CornerBlitz Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 @john_wawrow #Bills in no mood to temper expectations despite overhaul | Pro32: Head to Head http://pro32.ap.org/aggiesports/article/bills-no-mood-temper-expectations-despite-overhaul PITTSFORD, N.Y. (AP) — Time and patience are two qualities center Eric Wood is running out of when asked to consider how long it might take for the Buffalo Bills to become contenders following their latest offseason overhaul. What's wrong with this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 i see no rebuild here, sure turnover in the depth spots and coaching staff. A good coaching staff will mold its philosophy around the players it has, so there shouldnt be a huge dropoff. saying that i realize what Rex did to the defense.....still, trying to be positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? Very well summarized. I've been saying pretty much the same thing. Your Freudian slip is that you overlooked the departure of Robert Woods...but that speaks for itself. I'm going to remain optimistic that the new coaches can at least get eleven players on the field before each snap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Very well summarized. I've been saying pretty much the same thing. Your Freudian slip is that you overlooked the departure of Robert Woods...but that speaks for itself. I'm going to remain optimistic that the new coaches can at least get eleven players on the field before each snap! We also lost Goodwin! Isn't that going to be a huge loss? ... *chirp chirp*...*chirp chirp* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? The biggest change is the defensive scheme and personnel in the secondary with only 1 starter returning (Darby). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? Funny... I see a rookie HC, GM, brand new Front Office crew.... A 7th yr QB who hasn't shown that he can get the job done... A 7mil/yr TE with knee problems... A #1 WR who can't stay healthy but is gonna want to be paid HUGE $$ after this season... Kyle Williams who will prob retire after this season... Darby who clearly regressed last season... basically 2 new Def rookies (Lawson & Ragland)... Eric Wood who isn't getting any younger and who has basically been so-so to this point in his careeer... I think REBUILDING sounds just about right.... An awful lot of question marks here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? Minus woods. Minus brown. Minus NRC. Trading back significantly for an asset next year. And not adding much. Maybe not a rebuild, but if sitting on cap and not pushing for maximizing this seasons results there's some sort of element of this being a transitional year and not being all in yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Funny... I see a rookie HC, GM, brand new Front Office crew.... A 7th yr QB who hasn't shown that he can get the job done... A 7mil/yr TE with knee problems... A #1 WR who can't stay healthy but is gonna want to be paid HUGE $$ after this season... Kyle Williams who will prob retire after this season... Darby who clearly regressed last season... basically 2 new Def rookies (Lawson & Ragland)... Eric Wood who isn't getting any younger and who has basically been so-so to this point in his careeer... I think REBUILDING sounds just about right.... An awful lot of question marks here... That's not a rebuild. There are plenty of question marks, but the key players are mostly back from last season especially on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Funny... I see a rookie HC, GM, brand new Front Office crew.... A 7th yr QB who hasn't shown that he can get the job done... A 7mil/yr TE with knee problems... A #1 WR who can't stay healthy but is gonna want to be paid HUGE $$ after this season... Kyle Williams who will prob retire after this season... Darby who clearly regressed last season... basically 2 new Def rookies (Lawson & Ragland)... Eric Wood who isn't getting any younger and who has basically been so-so to this point in his careeer... I think REBUILDING sounds just about right.... An awful lot of question marks here... Pick most NFL rosters and you'll see just as many question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's not a rebuild. There are plenty of question marks, but the key players are mostly back from last season especially on offense. You have a rookie HC who has no previous HC experience period. Brand new stafff. Rookie GM and totally brand new front office staff. THAT ALONE IS A REBUILD.... And the rest of the things I mentioned only add to it. Oh, BTW I forgot to mention our supposed brand new rookie RT (presumed)... We have no idea how these pieces are all going to fit together... Will TT be the QB next year? That seems to be up in the air at this point too... Same goes for Watkins really... Kyle will need to be replaced which will create another opening in the near-future. OH AND DID I MENTION THAT THE TEAM WENT 7-9 LAST YEAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 You have a rookie HC who has no previous HC experience period. Brand new stafff. Rookie GM and totally brand new front office staff. THAT ALONE IS A REBUILD.... And the rest of the things I mentioned only add to it. Oh, BTW I forgot to mention our supposed brand new rookie RT (presumed)... We have no idea how these pieces are all going to fit together... Will TT be the QB next year? That seems to be up in the air at this point too... Same goes for Watkins really... Kyle will need to be replaced which will create another opening in the near-future. OH AND DID I MENTION THAT THE TEAM WENT 7-9 LAST YEAR!!! I disagree. It would be a rebuild if Kyle, Alexander, Tyrod, Shady, Sammy, Wood, Incognito, and other key players were gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Minus woods. Minus brown. Minus NRC. Trading back significantly for an asset next year. And not adding much. Maybe not a rebuild, but if sitting on cap and not pushing for maximizing this seasons results there's some sort of element of this being a transitional year and not being all in yet Yep. The team was all-in for 3-4 straight years and up against the cap. Only natural to take a step back at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 You have a rookie HC who has no previous HC experience period. Brand new stafff. Rookie GM and totally brand new front office staff. THAT ALONE IS A REBUILD.... And the rest of the things I mentioned only add to it. Oh, BTW I forgot to mention our supposed brand new rookie RT (presumed)... We have no idea how these pieces are all going to fit together... Will TT be the QB next year? That seems to be up in the air at this point too... Same goes for Watkins really... Kyle will need to be replaced which will create another opening in the near-future. OH AND DID I MENTION THAT THE TEAM WENT 7-9 LAST YEAR!!! Last two years there was no head coach just a head buffoon. I'd say a rookie HC is a vast improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Last two years there was no head coach just a head buffoon. I'd say a rookie HC is a vast improvement. and if the rookie HC only wins 4-5 games this year and ends up being fired 2-3 yrs down the road are you still gonna feel the same way? Can't we just agree to sit back and see what the "kid" has? Actually this same idea should apply to most of this team... How will this yrs #1 draft pick perform/pan out? We shall see. I, like ALL Bills fans, want to see this team progress and start to win ball games.. We can all agree on that - can't we? But clearly we are in a classic rebuild here. Teams hate to use that word because it makes it tougher to sell tickets for one thing. But we have to be honest with ourselves here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 You have a rookie HC who has no previous HC experience period. Brand new stafff. Rookie GM and totally brand new front office staff. THAT ALONE IS A REBUILD.... And the rest of the things I mentioned only add to it. Oh, BTW I forgot to mention our supposed brand new rookie RT (presumed)... We have no idea how these pieces are all going to fit together... Will TT be the QB next year? That seems to be up in the air at this point too... Same goes for Watkins really... Kyle will need to be replaced which will create another opening in the near-future. OH AND DID I MENTION THAT THE TEAM WENT 7-9 LAST YEAR!!! Funny how you have to resort to what-ifs to make an already weak point. Oh, I apologize for forgetting Woods. That isn't an insignificant loss. But getting Watkins back is a big plus. And Zay Jones shows promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 and if the rookie HC only wins 4-5 games this year and ends up being fired 2-3 yrs down the road are you still gonna feel the same way? Can't we just agree to sit back and see what the "kid" has? Actually this same idea should apply to most of this team... How will this yrs #1 draft pick perform/pan out? We shall see. I, like ALL Bills fans, want to see this team progress and start to win ball games.. We can all agree on that - can't we? But clearly we are in a classic rebuild here. Teams hate to use that word because it makes it tougher to sell tickets for one thing. But we have to be honest with ourselves here.... Not this season. If key players are let go via trade, free agency, or waivers, then it'll be a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 if this upcoming QB draft class is to be believed as amazing, then the rebuild should be now. clearly not in rebuild mode. clearly not in playoff push mode either. just kinda muddling around like usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 if this upcoming QB draft class is to be believed as amazing, then the rebuild should be now. clearly not in rebuild mode. clearly not in playoff push mode either. just kinda muddling around like usual. There is nothing to be gained from dismantling your team. Ask Cleveland how their never-ending rebuild is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Funny how you have to resort to what-ifs to make an already weak point. Oh, I apologize for forgetting Woods. That isn't an insignificant loss. But getting Watkins back is a big plus. And Zay Jones shows promise. We aren't "getting back" players we already had. Lawson and Sammy both played half the year last season. Losing Gilmore is going to hurt. I still think we need to bring back Byrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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