New data shows Tyrod/the offense was better than you thought

[Kirby Jackson]

We are talking about an offense that attempted the fewest passes in the league because the rushing attack was the most efficient in the league vs. a Defense that allowed 3 200+ yard rushers, right?

 

Don't know if you're a fan of DVOA or not, but:

Rushing O: 1st

Passing O: 19th

Rush D: 30th

Pass D: 21st

Defense was 28th DVOA altogether. They were an abomination. I do pin most of it on the Ryan brothers though.

[Royale with Cheese]

There was only 3 minutes left after that sack. running the ball and kicking the FG makes the game pretty much out of reach. this was the big topic all week.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/02/super_bowl_2017_patriots_falcons_crazy_finish_poli.html

"They had Super Bowl LI in their grasp, the ball deep in New England territory with the clock on their side late in the fourth quarter. They were an easy field goal away from a two-score lead that almost certainly, even with Tom Brady on the other side of the field, would have been enough to win this game."

 

What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year.

Your reasoning was because the Bills were up 24-9 and that should be enough to win.

Yet for this argument, you won't mention the Falcons were up 28-3 and that should have been enough to win the game.

Same with the Dolphins game....we put up 31. That should be enough to win.

I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas....

[Dorkington]

I haven't read the whole thing. But I wanted to say, based on certain numbers, I don't really blame Tyrod/run-pass balance for missing the playoffs.

Team		Pass play pct
Baltimore	65.99%
Green Bay	64.68%
Detroit		64.60%
Cleveland	64.39%
New Orleans	63.44%
Arizona		63.26%
Jacksonville	62.74%
Washington	62.44%
Minnesota	62.23%
NY Giants	61.61%
Los Angeles	60.94%
San Diego	60.75%
Chicago		60.70%
Indianapolis	60.56%
Denver		59.80%
Philadelphia	59.44%
Seattle		59.37%
Oakland		59.27%
Kansas City	59.00%
Pittsburgh	58.94%
NY Jets		58.33%
Atlanta		57.73%
Cincinnati	57.52%
Tampa Bay	57.50%
Carolina	56.94%
Houston		56.63%
New England	56.41%
Miami		56.21%
San Francisco	54.02%
Tennessee	52.78%
Buffalo		51.38%
Dallas		51.30%

There's not really a whole lot of correlation between pass play percentage and getting to the playoffs, at least looking at last year.

 

I've made a couple posts on Tyrod's efficiency compared to other QBs before, here's a copy paste from one of them:

 

 

 

Completion percentage:
2016: Tyrod 61.7% - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behind
Career: Tyrod 62.6% - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behind

TD percentage:
2016: Tyrod 3.9% - 9 Playoff QBs ahead/3 Playoff QBs behind
Career: Tyrod 4.5% - 7 Playoff QBs ahead/5 Playoff QBs behind

INT percentage:
2016: Tyrod 1.4% - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behind
Career: Tyrod 1.5% - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behind

Yards per game:
2016: Tyrod 201.5 - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behind
Career: Tyrod 208.9 - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behind

Net Yards/Attempt:
2016: Tyrod 5.92 - 11 Playoff QBs ahead/1 Playoff QB behind
Career: Tyrod 6.32 - 10 Playoff QBs ahead/2 Playoff QBs behind

Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt (takes into account TDs/INTs):
2016: Tyrod 6.07 - 10 Playoff QBs ahead/2 Playoff QBs behind
Career: Tyrod 6.55 - 9 Playoff QBs ahead/3 Playoff QBs behind

QB Rating:
2016: Tyrod 89.7 - 9 Playoff QBs ahead/3 Playoff QBs behind
Career: Tyrod 94.2 - 6 Playoff QBs ahead/6 Playoff QBs behind

ESPN QBR
2016: Tyrod 68.2 - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behind
Career: Tyrod ~68 - 5 Playoff QBs ahead/7 Playoff QBs behind

 

And because the above doesn't take into account rushing ability:

Name			Tm	Pos	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G
Colin Kaepernick	SFO	QB	69	468	2	30	6.8	39.0	5.8
Tyrod Taylor		BUF	QB	95	580	6	49	6.1	38.7	6.3
Cam Newton		CAR	QB	90	359	5	28	4.0	23.9	6.0
Marcus Mariota		TEN	QB	60	349	2	41	5.8	23.3	4.0
Aaron Rodgers*		GNB	QB	67	369	4	23	5.5	23.1	4.2
Andrew Luck		IND	QB	64	341	2	33	5.3	22.7	4.3
Blake Bortles		JAX	QB	58	359	3	27	6.2	22.4	3.6
Dak Prescott*		DAL	QB	57	282	6	18	4.9	17.6	3.6
Russell Wilson		SEA	QB	72	259	1	18	3.6	16.2	4.5
Matthew Stafford	DET	QB	37	207	2	24	5.6	12.9	2.3
Ryan Tannehill		MIA	QB	39	164	1	18	4.2	12.6	3.0
Andy Dalton*		CIN	QB	46	184	4	15	4.0	11.5	2.9
Jameis Winston		TAM	QB	53	165	1	14	3.1	10.3	3.3
Carson Wentz		PHI	QB	46	150	2	17	3.3	9.4	2.9
Ryan Fitzpatrick	NYJ	QB	33	130	0	14	3.9	9.3	2.4
Alex Smith*		KAN	QB	48	134	5	24	2.8	8.9	3.2
Brock Osweiler		HOU	QB	30	131	2	21	4.4	8.7	2.0
Matt Ryan*+		ATL	QB	35	117	0	18	3.3	7.3	2.2
Kirk Cousins*		WAS	QB	34	96	4	19	2.8	6.0	2.1
Tom Brady*		NWE	QB	28	64	0	15	2.3	5.3	2.3
Case Keenum		LAR	QB	20	51	1	13	2.6	5.1	2.0
Derek Carr*		OAK	QB	39	70	0	13	1.8	4.7	2.6
Trevor Siemian		DEN	QB	28	57	0	14	2.0	4.1	2.0
Joe Flacco		BAL	QB	21	58	2	16	2.8	3.6	1.3
Sam Bradford		MIN	QB	20	53	0	24	2.7	3.5	1.3
Carson Palmer		ARI	QB	14	38	0	16	2.7	2.5	0.9
Philip Rivers*		SDG	QB	14	35	0	10	2.5	2.2	0.9
Cody Kessler		CLE	QB	11	18	0	8	1.6	2.0	1.2
Drew Brees*		NOR	QB	23	20	2	7	0.9	1.3	1.4
Ben Roethlisberger*	PIT	QB	16	14	1	14	0.9	1.0	1.1
Eli Manning		NYG	QB	21	-9	0	6	-0.4	-0.6	1.3

My conclusion now, as it was then, is that Tyrod is definitely good enough to take a team to the playoffs. Is he elite? Hell no. But he isn't holding the team back either.

 

Simply put, yes the offense and Tyrod *could* be better, but the offense is not what kept us out of the playoffs last year. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the bottom third level defense.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Dorkington

[JM2009]

 

What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year.

Your reasoning was because the Bills were up 24-9 and that should be enough to win.

Yet for this argument, you won't mention the Falcons were up 28-3 and that should have been enough to win the game.

Same with the Dolphins game....we put up 31. That should be enough to win.

I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas....

What happened to the SB? Don't like the article so you have to lash out? Every game is different. In the SB, running the ball would have most likely meant a SB victory for Atlanta. the defense,ST stopping Miami for a whole minute would have changed the course of many things. And the whole point of my posting is that the defense for the Bills was the main problem in 2016. Not the only problem, but the main one. That and the game day coaching.

I haven't read the whole thing. But I wanted to say, based on certain numbers, I don't really blame Tyrod/run-pass balance for missing the playoffs.

Team		Pass play pct
Baltimore	65.99%
Green Bay	64.68%
Detroit		64.60%
Cleveland	64.39%
New Orleans	63.44%
Arizona		63.26%
Jacksonville	62.74%
Washington	62.44%
Minnesota	62.23%
NY Giants	61.61%
Los Angeles	60.94%
San Diego	60.75%
Chicago		60.70%
Indianapolis	60.56%
Denver		59.80%
Philadelphia	59.44%
Seattle		59.37%
Oakland		59.27%
Kansas City	59.00%
Pittsburgh	58.94%
NY Jets		58.33%
Atlanta		57.73%
Cincinnati	57.52%
Tampa Bay	57.50%
Carolina	56.94%
Houston		56.63%
New England	56.41%
Miami		56.21%
San Francisco	54.02%
Tennessee	52.78%
Buffalo		51.38%
Dallas		51.30%

There's not really a whole lot of correlation between pass play percentage and getting to the playoffs, at least looking at last year.

 

I've made a couple posts on Tyrod's efficiency compared to other QBs before, here's a copy paste from one of them:

 

 

And because the above doesn't take into account rushing ability:

Name			Tm	Pos	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G
Colin Kaepernick	SFO	QB	69	468	2	30	6.8	39.0	5.8
Tyrod Taylor		BUF	QB	95	580	6	49	6.1	38.7	6.3
Cam Newton		CAR	QB	90	359	5	28	4.0	23.9	6.0
Marcus Mariota		TEN	QB	60	349	2	41	5.8	23.3	4.0
Aaron Rodgers*		GNB	QB	67	369	4	23	5.5	23.1	4.2
Andrew Luck		IND	QB	64	341	2	33	5.3	22.7	4.3
Blake Bortles		JAX	QB	58	359	3	27	6.2	22.4	3.6
Dak Prescott*		DAL	QB	57	282	6	18	4.9	17.6	3.6
Russell Wilson		SEA	QB	72	259	1	18	3.6	16.2	4.5
Matthew Stafford	DET	QB	37	207	2	24	5.6	12.9	2.3
Ryan Tannehill		MIA	QB	39	164	1	18	4.2	12.6	3.0
Andy Dalton*		CIN	QB	46	184	4	15	4.0	11.5	2.9
Jameis Winston		TAM	QB	53	165	1	14	3.1	10.3	3.3
Carson Wentz		PHI	QB	46	150	2	17	3.3	9.4	2.9
Ryan Fitzpatrick	NYJ	QB	33	130	0	14	3.9	9.3	2.4
Alex Smith*		KAN	QB	48	134	5	24	2.8	8.9	3.2
Brock Osweiler		HOU	QB	30	131	2	21	4.4	8.7	2.0
Matt Ryan*+		ATL	QB	35	117	0	18	3.3	7.3	2.2
Kirk Cousins*		WAS	QB	34	96	4	19	2.8	6.0	2.1
Tom Brady*		NWE	QB	28	64	0	15	2.3	5.3	2.3
Case Keenum		LAR	QB	20	51	1	13	2.6	5.1	2.0
Derek Carr*		OAK	QB	39	70	0	13	1.8	4.7	2.6
Trevor Siemian		DEN	QB	28	57	0	14	2.0	4.1	2.0
Joe Flacco		BAL	QB	21	58	2	16	2.8	3.6	1.3
Sam Bradford		MIN	QB	20	53	0	24	2.7	3.5	1.3
Carson Palmer		ARI	QB	14	38	0	16	2.7	2.5	0.9
Philip Rivers*		SDG	QB	14	35	0	10	2.5	2.2	0.9
Cody Kessler		CLE	QB	11	18	0	8	1.6	2.0	1.2
Drew Brees*		NOR	QB	23	20	2	7	0.9	1.3	1.4
Ben Roethlisberger*	PIT	QB	16	14	1	14	0.9	1.0	1.1
Eli Manning		NYG	QB	21	-9	0	6	-0.4	-0.6	1.3

My conclusion now, as it was then, is that Tyrod is definitely good enough to take a team to the playoffs. Is he elite? Hell no. But he isn't holding the team back either.

 

Simply put, yes the offense and Tyrod *could* be better, but the offense is not what kept us out of the playoffs last year. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the bottom third level defense.

Good post. Good positive proof for Tyrod here. It's what I have been saying all along-the QB is not why the Bills did not make the playoffs in 2016.

 

What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year.

Your reasoning was because the Bills were up 24-9 and that should be enough to win.

Yet for this argument, you won't mention the Falcons were up 28-3 and that should have been enough to win the game.

Same with the Dolphins game....we put up 31. That should be enough to win.

I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas....

I think this lashing out post, is a microcosm of an agenda itself.

[Royale with Cheese]

What happened to the SB? Don't like the article so you have to lash out? Every game is different. In the SB, running the ball would have most likely meant a SB victory for Atlanta. the defense,ST stopping Miami for a whole minute would have changed the course of many things. And the whole point of my posting is that the defense for the Bills was the main problem in 2016. Not the only problem, but the main one. That and the game day coaching.

 

I don't like the article? You know I agreed that the Falcons should have kept running the ball...you did read it.

Here's an article giving other reasons why the Falcons lost. Uh oh....there's other opinions.

 

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/06/5-reasons-why-the-falcons-collapsed-in-the-super-bowl/

 

You're literally arguing that 57 minutes of the Super Bowl do not matter...only the last 3.

You're not acknowledging at all the other issues.

 

It's insane to me that you're arguing the defense was the problem against Miami because they couldn't stop them. However, not mention of the Falcons defense not being able to stop the Pats....both defenses gave up 34. Not to mention the Falcons gave up 31 in just over 1 quarter.

 

And no, that wasn't your whole point. You made that specific point when the Bills played the Raiders and Dolphins....MULTIPLE times. You repeat things, the same things over and over and over.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Teeflebees

[Dorkington]

What happened to the SB? Don't like the article so you have to lash out? Every game is different. In the SB, running the ball would have most likely meant a SB victory for Atlanta. the defense,ST stopping Miami for a whole minute would have changed the course of many things. And the whole point of my posting is that the defense for the Bills was the main problem in 2016. Not the only problem, but the main one. That and the game day coaching.

Good post. Good positive proof for Tyrod here. It's what I have been saying all along-the QB is not why the Bills did not make the playoffs in 2016.

I think this lashing out post, is a microcosm of an agenda itself.

He's one of many QBs that isn't good enough to carry a team to the playoffs, and he's not bad enough to cause a team to miss the playoffs. There's only a handful of the former, and there's a boat load of the latter. We could do a lot worse than Tyrod.

[JM2009]

 

I don't like the article? You know I agreed that the Falcons should have kept running the ball...you did read it.

Here's an article giving other reasons why the Falcons lost. Uh oh....there's other opinions.

 

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/06/5-reasons-why-the-falcons-collapsed-in-the-super-bowl/

 

You're literally arguing that 57 minutes of the Super Bowl do not matter...only the last 3.

You're not acknowledging at all the other issues.

 

It's insane to me that you're arguing the defense was the problem against Miami because they couldn't stop them. However, not mention of the Falcons defense not being able to stop the Pats....both defenses gave up 34. Not to mention the Falcons gave up 31 in just over 1 quarter.

 

And no, that wasn't your whole point. You made that specific point when the Bills played the Raiders and Dolphins....MULTIPLE times. You repeat things, the same things over and over and over.

Check out post 446. And yeah, games on the line, Atlanta blew it not running the ball. Game on the line, the defense/St blew it

He's one of many QBs that isn't good enough to carry a team to the playoffs, and he's not bad enough to cause a team to miss the playoffs. There's only a handful of the former, and there's a boat load of the latter. We could do a lot worse than Tyrod.

My friend you are making too much sense for some on this board.

 

I don't like the article? You know I agreed that the Falcons should have kept running the ball...you did read it.

Here's an article giving other reasons why the Falcons lost. Uh oh....there's other opinions.

 

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/06/5-reasons-why-the-falcons-collapsed-in-the-super-bowl/

 

You're literally arguing that 57 minutes of the Super Bowl do not matter...only the last 3.

You're not acknowledging at all the other issues.

 

It's insane to me that you're arguing the defense was the problem against Miami because they couldn't stop them. However, not mention of the Falcons defense not being able to stop the Pats....both defenses gave up 34. Not to mention the Falcons gave up 31 in just over 1 quarter.

 

And no, that wasn't your whole point. You made that specific point when the Bills played the Raiders and Dolphins....MULTIPLE times. You repeat things, the same things over and over and over.

And what about the posters I'm responding too that repeat the same things over and over and over and over again. You have no problem with them, do you?

[Royale with Cheese]

Check out post 446. And yeah, games on the line, Atlanta blew it not running the ball. Game on the line, the defense/St blew it

 

Okay JM.

 

Football isn't a 60 minute game....you're right.

Falcons give up 34....not the defenses fault.

Bills give up 34....it's the defenses fault.

Bills don't score anything in the 2nd half and have multiple turnovers and punts. It's the defenses fault.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Teeflebees

[Kirby Jackson]

He's one of many QBs that isn't good enough to carry a team to the playoffs, and he's not bad enough to cause a team to miss the playoffs. There's only a handful of the former, and there's a boat load of the latter. We could do a lot worse than Tyrod.

I like the way that Tasker put it. "You can win with him but you don't win because of him." There are a bunch of QBs like that.

[JM2009]

 

Okay JM.

 

Football isn't a 60 minute game....you're right.

Falcons give up 34....not the defenses fault.

Bills give up 34....it's the defenses fault.

Bills don't score anything in the 2nd half and have multiple turnovers and punts. It's the defenses fault.

Game on the line. Check out post 446.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

What I find funny is that I've heard you argue over and over and over again that the defense was the main reason why the Bills lost the Raiders last year.

 

I guess we'll change arguments to fit agendas....

Coffee meet keyboard.

Anyone who watched with an unbiased eye would say the same.

 

Some just like to bash Tyrod because he's not a conventional QB. The guy makes plays (a lot with his legs and the deep ball) and doesn't turn the ball over. Hes in the area of an Alex Smith, but I'd say slightly better.

How is starting that TT needs to improve his passing game late in games bashing him?

 

Alternative Facts.

With a 2 score lead you run the ball to eat up the clock barring you don't go 3 and out.

 

When training we need a QB than can pass the ball to all receivers and not just one guy who is most likely covered.

[Royale with Cheese]

Game on the line. Check out post 446

 

LOL okay.

The game wasn't on the line when the Pats drove down the field twice, scored 2 TD's and converted both 2 point conversions? Being that they were down by 16...the Falcons defense could have just stopped one 2 point conversion and the game would be over. Not to mention the game was on the line in OT and the Pats just marched downfield in under 4 minutes to score the game winning TD. Nope JM....those don't count. The Falcons defense wasn't the issue in the Super Bowl.

 

Lets see if you can do this....I really want to see if you can.

 

With the Bills up 24-9 at halftime against the Raiders, should the defense have been able to hold that lead and win?

With the Falcons up 28-3 with just a little over 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, should the defense have been able to hold that lead?

 

These are yes and no questions....that's it. You can't answer any other way because that's how yes and no works. Please answer both questions.

[John from Riverside]

Coffee meet keyboard.

How is starting that TT needs to improve his passing game late in games bashing him?

 

Alternative Facts.

With a 2 score lead you run the ball to eat up the clock barring you don't go 3 and out.

 

When training we need a QB than can pass the ball to all receivers and not just one guy who is most likely covered.

As a long time COT member I do agree with Shady here

 

While we strive to defend a QB that is frankly worth defending lets not act like he does not have his warts

 

He has them......they are mixed in with a lot of good.....lets hope he can improve in those areas

[Royale with Cheese]

Coffee meet keyboard.

 

 

For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl.

They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack.

[JM2009]

 

LOL okay.

The game wasn't on the line when the Pats drove down the field twice, scored 2 TD's and converted both 2 point conversions? Being that they were down by 16...the Falcons defense could have just stopped one 2 point conversion and the game would be over. Not to mention the game was on the line in OT and the Pats just marched downfield in under 4 minutes to score the game winning TD. Nope JM....those don't count. The Falcons defense wasn't the issue in the Super Bowl.

 

Lets see if you can do this....I really want to see if you can.

 

With the Bills up 24-9 at halftime against the Raiders, should the defense have been able to hold that lead and win?

With the Falcons up 28-3 with just a little over 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, should the defense have been able to hold that lead?

 

These are yes and no questions....that's it. You can't answer any other way because that's how yes and no works. Please answer both questions.

yes. but that has nothing to do with the game on the line. Every NFL game is different. That Miami game and Atlanta SB had the game on the line and one unit failed in the end to cost victory with the game on the line. The offense in the raider game fell apart itself in the fourth, but the defense against good teams gave up a lot of points, which was an ongoing theme in 2016. The main problem for Buffalo throughout Ryan's tenure was the defense. Notice how I say main, not the only. And check out post 446. eye opening for you.

 

For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl.

They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack.

And no time in that game did I not think that Tom Brady would not have some type of comeback. he does against every NFL defense, good or bad. That is why he is the GOAT, I hate to say.

I think Shady should also check out post 446. Probably did, won't comment on it though. no surprise.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl.

They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack.

I know that. I've commented on this many times.

He's on ignore and my posting is much more pleasing because of it.

 

But I still see his posts when he's quoted and chuckle when people shoot him down.

[Royale with Cheese]

yes. but that has nothing to do with the game on the line. Every NFL game is different. That Miami game and Atlanta SB had the game on the line and one unit failed in the end to cost victory with the game on the line. The offense in the raider game fell apart itself in the fourth, but the defense against good teams gave up a lot of points, which was an ongoing theme in 2016. The main problem for Buffalo throughout Ryan's tenure was the defense. Notice how I say main, not the only. And check out post 446. eye opening for you.

You couldn't do it. It was just a yes or no.

 

So one unit failed in the end in the Super Bowl? You're really saying the Falcons unit didn't fail? You're saying that 31 points in 17 minutes isn't a failure?

You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop the Pats on their last 5 drives wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over.

You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop any of the 2 point conversions at the end wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over.

 

I am simply astonished how you're saying only one unit failed the Falcons. Like literally jaw dropping.

 

I've read 446, it's not relevant to this specific discussion about this specific game and it's also another opinion.

 

You simply cannot handle if anyone has a different opinion than you. Your parade to always be right is excessive. I also don't think you know the difference between subjective and objective.

[JM2009]

I know that. I've commented on this many times.

He's on ignore and my posting is much more pleasing because of it.

 

But I still see his posts when he's quoted and chuckle when people shoot him down.

You're on my ignore list also by the way, but i still check now and then the nonsense you post and what you avoid. How about post 446. You haven't commented on that one.

[Royale with Cheese]

I know that. I've commented on this many times.

He's on ignore and my posting is much more pleasing because of it.

 

But I still see his posts when he's quoted and chuckle when people shoot him down.

 

He's literally saying the offense is the reason the Falcons lost the Super Bowl. It's incredibly mind boggling.

You're on my ignore list also by the way, but i still check now and then the nonsense you post and what you avoid. How about post 446. You haven't commented on that one.

 

Not trying to be too critical because we've "known" each other for awhile but seriously JM.....you've really been posting nonsense in this thread.

446 is an opinion, it's not objective.

[JM2009]

You couldn't do it. It was just a yes or no.

 

So one unit failed in the end in the Super Bowl? You're really saying the Falcons unit didn't fail? You're saying that 31 points in 17 minutes isn't a failure?

You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop the Pats on their last 5 drives wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over.

You're saying that the Falcons not being able to stop any of the 2 point conversions at the end wasn't a failure? If they stopped them once, game over.

 

I am simply astonished how you're saying only one unit failed the Falcons. Like literally jaw dropping.

 

I've read 446, it's not relevant to this specific discussion about this specific game and it's also another opinion.

 

You simply cannot handle if anyone has a different opinion than you. Your parade to always be right is excessive. I also don't think you know the difference between subjective and objective.

I said yes. can't you read? post 446 is just an opinion? lol One unit in each of those games when it was on the line-can't you read, again?

[Hurricane]

[NewEra]

 

For some reason, he's refusing to acknowledge the very poor Falcons defense in the Super Bowl.

They gave up 31 points in 17 minutes. He wants to only focus on Matt Ryan's sack.

He calls others out for only looking at the facts that fit their agenda meanwhile doing just that in almost every one of his posts. He replies to every post directed at him unless it's a post in which he can't spin to his agenda. Easily top 10 most oblivious posters I've seen on this board since 2001.

[JM2009]

 

He's literally saying the offense is the reason the Falcons lost the Super Bowl. It's incredibly mind boggling.

 

Not trying to be too critical because we've "known" each other for awhile but seriously JM.....you've really been posting nonsense in this thread.

446 is an opinion, it's not objective.

Dorkington's post highlight's using real stats, not opinion. Sorry.

[Royale with Cheese]

I said yes. can't you read? post 446 is just an opinion? lol One unit in each of those games when it was on the line-can't you read, again?

I can't read? I guess you can't read the part where it's just a yes or no answer...that's it. You didn't do that...you went on and on.

Yes 446 is just an opinion and you just have just proven you don't know the difference between subjective and objective. You really don't.

 

Game on the line LOL? Really? Because the Falcon's punted on that series where Ryan took the sack. Which means the Pats got the ball back. Which means in order for them to tie the game, they need to score a TD and 2 point conversion. What unit couldn't prevent the Pats from doing that? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the offense.

[Big Gun]

Sure do. Myself and other posters put up quite a bit of proof to posters like Old School that post misinformed statements over and over and over again themselves. yet you are silent on that type of "over and over".

Ummm, which one's would that be?

 

This one

 

or this one

 

Edited June 30, 2017 by old school

[Royale with Cheese]

He calls others out for only looking at the facts that fit their agenda meanwhile doing just that in almost every one of his posts. He replies to every post directed at him unless it's a post in which he can't spin to his agenda. Easily top 10 most oblivious posters I've seen on this board since 2001.

 

He's the biggest hypocrite on this board.

[Hurricane]

Ummm, which one's would that be?

 

 

Oldie, its pointless to engage....

[Royale with Cheese]

Dorkington's post highlight's using real stats, not opinion. Sorry.

 

The conclusion and interpretation of the stats is an opinion. Jesus dude...seriously?

[JM2009]

He calls others out for only looking at the facts that fit their agenda meanwhile doing just that in almost every one of his posts. He replies to every post directed at him unless it's a post in which he can't spin to his agenda. Easily top 10 most oblivious posters I've seen on this board since 2001.

Well, you are one of the most arrogant, I'll give you that. it's terrible. And again what agenda-the facts back up that TT while not great, is not the main reason the Bills missed the playoffs in 2016. The majority of posters agree with me.He's good enough till better comes along.A person like old school posts no facts, just blurts out statements and then doesn't respond, when myself, and a few other posters prove he is wrong. And yet no comments on posts like his, from you and a couple of others that have a problem with mine.

I can't read? I guess you can't read the part where it's just a yes or no answer...that's it. You didn't do that...you went on and on.

Yes 446 is just an opinion and you just have just proven you don't know the difference between subjective and objective. You really don't.

 

Game on the line LOL? Really? Because the Falcon's punted on that series where Ryan took the sack. Which means the Pats got the ball back. Which means in order for them to tie the game, they need to score a TD and 2 point conversion. What unit couldn't prevent the Pats from doing that? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the offense.

I'll give you a hint-run the ball and go up by 11. game is over. Why was that the main topic all week from every sports media site i read?

 

The conclusion and interpretation of the stats is an opinion. Jesus dude...seriously?

let's see you and a few others in this thread give Dorkington credit for the stats he found and put together and maybe, just maybe, give TT some credit that he is really not the main problem with this football team. Say" hey our starting QB isn't great, but he is good enough till better comes along. he's the best option for 2017. let's fix some bigger problems on this roster and see what the Bills can do" That's all most of us are saying. Just common sense here folks.

the thing is, the guy he's directing his posts towards really doesnt "get it" i dont think.

 

but i agree there's no reason to keep repeating it. peoples minds are made up. personally, after reading his posts recently, i'd rather go beat my head on a brick wall for a couple hours rather than try and discuss anything with old school...... so i think the parties involved just need to move on.

I should give up, esp when some actually support Old School on this. very telling.

[Royale with Cheese]

Well, you are one of the most arrogant, I'll give you that. it's terrible. And again what agenda-the facts back up that TT while not great, is not the main reason the Bills missed the playoffs in 2016. The majority of posters agree with me.He's good enough till better comes along.A person like old school posts no facts, just blurts out statements and then doesn't respond, when myself, and a few other posters prove he is wrong. And yet no comments on posts like his, from you and a couple of others that have a problem with mine.

I'll give you a hint-run the ball and go up by 11. game is over. Why was that the main topic all week from every sports media site i read?

 

Okay I get it....in your mind there was no other way for the Falcons to have won that game. Run the ball in that last series was the only way they could have won it. They couldn't have won the game any other way or any other time in that game.

Giving up 34 points isn't the defenses fault.

If the Bills gave up 31 points in 17 minutes with a 25 point lead.......I'm sure you wouldn't have blamed the defense.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Teeflebees

[Bangarang]

The percentage that Atlanta wins the game after kicking the FG are very high. That whole week the big question was why didn't Atlanta just run the ball. I'm sure after the game, your friends, family etc. said the same thing. If you actually didn't say the same thing, I don't know what to say. really don't. Or do you act this way in real conversations. hope not. But there is always one.

You keep trying to prove an unproveable point all because your internet ego has trouble with not being right about every little thing.

[GoBills808]

[Bangarang]

Sure do. Myself and other posters put up quite a bit of proof to posters like Old School that post misinformed statements over and over and over again themselves. yet you are silent on that type of "over and over".

I guess you're just more annoying about than others.

[Figster]

You keep trying to prove an unproveable point all because your internet ego has trouble with not being right about every little thing.

Yet we can jump all over Taylor for not finishing games off?

 

Why is JM's point so hard to understand when the QB/ game manager ultimately is going to shoulder a big part of the loss.

 

Use the clock up and the Pats can't win...

[Just Jack]

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