Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 How did it work out for Green Bay when they picked up Dennis Dixon or whoever that was? He stunk and the Cheese stunk. No thanks. Perhaps Rick Dockery will be available? Except the guys I named are as accomplished or more than Yates so it works the other way around. Fitz, Kaep (I know, I know), Cutler, RG3, Ponder AND Shaun Hill are more likely to win 2 games than Yates. If he were Fitz (as an example), I would buy that argument that he's the best veteran option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) I agree. They picked up Yates because Jones is still too unpolished to be #2. I think Peterman alleviates that concern and will likely be the backup come September. No reason to keep Yates in that scenario. I think everyone is going to be surprised this offseason. Peterman might just be named the starter. Taylor might be traded and Yates stays as the #2. Edited May 1, 2017 by Yav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I'll make a modest bet (given that I don't have a farm). What'll it be? Whoops - A Bills hat is perfect. We're on. To me, even though it seems strange if not impossible, the better Peterman is, the more likely Cardale makes the team. Yates is a given and a limited, barely reliable veteran backup. Coaches, as you say, love these kinds of guys as failsafe. I expect Peterman, even though I think he is very limited at this point, to be very good in camp and likely preseason. If the coaches think he could actually come in and play a half or a game in their offense AND Cardale makes a huge leap and shows them a ton as a different kind of player but potential long term starter in a couple years, then and only then do they cut Yates and keep the two young guys. I see little chance of Cardale looking great, Peterman looking fair and them cutting Yates. So the better Peterman looks the better chance that Jones stays. That's not a prediction. If I had to bet, they cut Jones (a mistake unless he doesnt show much) and keep Yates and Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I don't see them getting rid of Jones or Peterman. Maybe one goes to the practice squad so they can keep Yates, but otherwise I expect both of them to be retained in some capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalos#1Fan Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 cardale played better than EJ in the jets throwaway game and we hung on to EJ for four years hoping he would get better. Whaley wanted to start him. Wasnt it a fight between Whaley and Rex about who would start that got Rex canned. I dont get why EJ started unless they wanted a better draft position. Remember all the confusion as to whether to resign Tyrod. And now the new coach says it is an open battle at QB. He says iron sharpens iron, Maybe its marshmellows at the QB position. Give credit to Tyrod for having him go through another QB competition. If he loses he will be traded. Here we go again another camp where every throw will be watched and Bills fans will align with their favorite guy. And after all is done we still wont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 It was further stated that Whaley and the scouts set up the board and McDermot took off all the players that don't fit. I am thinking i was misunderstanding the quotes i read. Thanks for setting me straight. I see no where that Sean made the final decisions. although knowing what we know. Why wouldn't McD be the strongest influence in the room ? i believe he asked that players be removed who didn't fit his character preferences thanks for the detail Yolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Yates is gone. Let Peterman and Cardale battle it out. They will start eventually. why? It is silly to say that even before Mini-camp has started. I can't believe this coaching staff signed Yates as insurance on what they did in the draft. I think those are two different things. I am not saying Yates is the savior of this franchise...but you have to give a full TC for Sean to figure out this roster and then it is set for the next four seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Umm...I don't think so. Just because my pet is in the room when I order pizza doesn't mean he picked the toppings. By all accounts, McD had his hands all over this draft. But you pet did make the phone call? You have a great analogy. I chuckled heartily ! There is something as well out there. Yates after training camp might be QB coach or some kind of coach on team. Not sure tho. I hope Cardale can honestly push Yates off the roster and into Coaching for the Bills in the QB room at least. a win for everyone I think. even Woodrum. he goes to PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 TT TJ Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I could see the Bills trying to get Cardale onto the practice squad. The guy is simply too raw and I doubt anyone would put him on their active roster eating up a valuable roster spot for a guy who simply cannot play. I love the yates is awful art. The guy does have ore playoff wins than the Bills this century. He may not be the next coming of Joe Montana but come on. Teams have playoff wins not players. There have been teams with losing records in playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalos#1Fan Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 remember SUCK FOR LUCK. Watch highlights of Darnold and Josh Allen. Carolina had tanked and got Cam Newton. Buddy Nix said he would have taken Newton if he had fallen to the Bills. Time to tank for Darnold or Allen. Otherwise we will in QB purgatory long after Whaley has a new job. Hopefully he will have his new job sooner than later so he can have two paychecks like Rex. Must be nice. One goes directly into their IRAs. We absolutely need to pick first or second next year. Trade TT. Start the rookies and tank the season. Yates acts as QB coach and never sees the field. He might win a game or two. Start CJ with no game plan If he wins try Peterman, also no game plan. That is strategic thinking AKA Jim Irsay Of course Irsay was on drugs but what the hell it worked for the Colts. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Peterman reminds me of Trent Edwards with some upside. I mean that in a good way. Could even be like a dak prescott type. Armstrength isn't as important as it used to be. Getting the ball quick and reading defenses are more important. also, they should keep all these qbs on unless one of them is definetly not good enough to be here. Never know when an injury bug happens You know I don't even think his arm strength is that bad really. Also that will improve with NFL conditioning. The one thing I think is very difficult to improve is accuracy, and Peterman definitely has that going for him. I think at the end of the day Jones will be out unfortunately. Yates will be a sounding board/mentor of this offense for Taylor/Peterman and will be seen as too important to be let go. No way Peterman doesn't make the roster. With Jones being as raw as he is and now being thrust into a brand new offense, I don't think this bodes well for him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalos#1Fan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 A modest proposal After years of futility I will die before I see a Bills playoff win, And should I wind up in hell with Bill Belicek and tom brady, eternity will be unbearable. So I would urge every parent of a young Bills fan to urge them to be very very good. Forget about enticing them with Santa and christmas presents. Scare the crap out of them, Odd how beezlebob and beilcek sound so similar. If jim kelly had access to growth hormone he would still be playing. But enough of sour grapes. it has become very clear to me that cheating is the clearest path to success. So it heartened me when our coach jumped ahead of Carolina to snatch players that they wanted. Remember when we jumped ahead of philly to got perry tuttle.another clemson wide receiver over Mike Quick. LOL. But when I heard that some players were removed from the draft board because of character Issues I became alarmed. We are back to the Chan Gailey and Dick Jauron era. Reminds of the picture where every God fearing Bills defensive lineman was on the ground as a Patriots running back,was wheelchaired into the endzone. So we wind up with Marcel Dareus a player of tarnished reputatation having a prediliction for overating and smoking pot but who despite these can stay on his feet. It also reminds me of two undersized linebackers Keith Ellison and John digiorgio, much like the two we picked up this year. Both were often injured but relentless and really good guys. Karlos Williams, a player who smoked pot to sympathize with his starving pregnant girfreind or wife, (hard to tell these days) made a bigger impact than those two combined. Favorite Whaley quote, football is not for humans. So finally to get to the point Next year is supposed to be the the best QB draft since 1983. How long ago that is, is difficult for me to calculate since I can only count to seventeen. But if its past seventeen then it must be a very long time. I propose we TANK the season, Bills fans show up AND ROOT FOR THE OPPOSING TEAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Every Bills fan should hope TJ Yates doesn't make this team, though I'm sure he is a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Every Bills fan should hope TJ Yates doesn't make this team, though I'm sure he is a great guy. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 why? Because Yates is the definition of a JAG and replacement level qb. His best skill is knowing the playbook. It would be much better if Jones and Peterman showed enough to make the team over him. I'm not sure of those two's upside but it's better than Yates' zero upside, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 To me, even though it seems strange if not impossible, the better Peterman is, the more likely Cardale makes the team. Yates is a given and a limited, barely reliable veteran backup. Coaches, as you say, love these kinds of guys as failsafe. I expect Peterman, even though I think he is very limited at this point, to be very good in camp and likely preseason. If the coaches think he could actually come in and play a half or a game in their offense AND Cardale makes a huge leap and shows them a ton as a different kind of player but potential long term starter in a couple years, then and only then do they cut Yates and keep the two young guys. I see little chance of Cardale looking great, Peterman looking fair and them cutting Yates. So the better Peterman looks the better chance that Jones stays. That's not a prediction. If I had to bet, they cut Jones (a mistake unless he doesnt show much) and keep Yates and Peterman. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Because Yates is the definition of a JAG and replacement level qb. His best skill is knowing the playbook. It would be much better if Jones and Peterman showed enough to make the team over him. I'm not sure of those two's upside but it's better than Yates' zero upside, That's kind of been my point. If you need "a Yates" type because of an injury and the others aren't ready you sign them off the street. I imagine that if Yates is cut, you will be able to sign Yates back week 4. If he ends up on another roster you sign Shaun Hill or Charlie Whitehurst or Fitz even (who is way better than Yates). Edited May 4, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Because Yates is the definition of a JAG and replacement level qb. His best skill is knowing the playbook. It would be much better if Jones and Peterman showed enough to make the team over him. I'm not sure of those two's upside but it's better than Yates' zero upside, I completely disagree. I think teams need guys like him to run the offense effectively not just in games he has to play in because of injury, but in practice. He may also be the sort of player who can teach the offense, which he knows, to other qbs. His physical talent level, by the way, is about the same as Peterman's. If Cardale Jones is our backup, then we are in a lot of trouble. Like I said, you need a backup qb who can get you to 2-2 over a 4-game stretch and who actually knows how to run the offense. I think Jones and Petrman are potentially 0-4 guys at this point. Bear in mind that I have NO faith in Jones. Edited May 4, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Bills fans show up AND ROOT FOR THE OPPOSING TEAM. You appear to be a natural cheerleader for opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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