TSOL Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Funny, I could have sworn the Bills drafted quarterbacks this year and last year. Have they both busted already? Talk to me in three years when Cardale, Petermen and Yates are lighting up the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Browns have 2 possible top 10 picks and the Jets are also terrible and need a QB. We will be lucky to get the 3rd best QB next year. Not very exciting Big Ben was supposedly the 3rd best QB. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Big Ben was supposedly the 3rd best QB. Just saying. And Bills tried to trade up to get him and failed. That was 13 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 You must be new to the NFL. Trade ups for QBs in the 1st are common. Just in the past few years you have teams trading up for RGIII, Wentz, and Bridgewater. That's not a rigning endorsement yet that those moves were smart. Their were plenty of teams in the top six that desperatley needed QBs and they all decided to pass on Mahomes and Watson. That's not a great sign. The 49ers, Browns and Jets should all be worse than the Bills in 2018, and if the QB class is as good as people say, no way are any of them trading down or not selecting a QB. This doesn't even include a wild card like the Chargers, who if they stink it up in 2018, may also be looking for a QB, and move on from Rivers. Here's hoping there are more than 3 QB's who can be looked at as "franchise" QB's. [edited]If Bortles doesn't take a big step forward in 2017, you can throw the Jags into the mix also. Honestly, we have a brutal schedule this year. Realistically, there is a chance we are 4-5 win team or even worse. And I'm not usually a doom and gloom fan. But this is one of the first seasons in a while where I feel we might have a pretty big step back. Miami could sweep us again. Pats sweep us. Lose 3 out of 4 to the AFC West. Lose 3 out of 4 to the NFC South. None of that is out of the realm of possibility. And that's 10 losses right there. If we lose week one to the Jets we will all be screaming to tank the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Big Ben was supposedly the 3rd best QB. Just saying. And we drafted JP Losman because we didn't have a top pick which is exactly my point. We needed better trade bait than a 25th overall pick from KC. Bad trade partner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 That's not a rigning endorsement yet that those moves were smart. Their were plenty of teams in the top six that desperatley needed QBs and they all decided to pass on Mahomes and Watson. That's not a great sign. Browns- They always pass on QB's now. They have adopted the Bills approach Bears-They took a QB 49ers-They might have Cousins coming for free or a chance at top 3 pick next year Jaguars-They have a QB they took top 3 they decided to try to rehab Jets-Coach on hot seat, possible top 3 pick next year Chargers-Rivers still playing Reported that Chiefs tried to trade into top 5 for Mahomes, Giants upset, Saints would have taken him, and Cardinals probably would have as well. Sean Payton, John Gruden, Andy Reid, and Bruce Arians liking a certain QB a much better endorsement. I think those guys know a few more things than Sean about QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 And we drafted JP Losman because we didn't have a top pick which is exactly my point. We needed better trade bait than a 25th overall pick from KC. Bad trade partner I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for KC to be bad. There are always surprise teams, both ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Browns- They always pass on QB's now. They have adopted the Bills approach Bears-They took a QB 49ers-They might have Cousins coming for free or a chance at top 3 pick next year Jaguars-They have a QB they took top 3 they decided to try to rehab Jets-Coach on hot seat, possible top 3 pick next year Chargers-Rivers still playing You can throw all those theories out there but you know if any of these guys were legit prospects they would have been taken in the top five. Look at some of the recent drafts with QBs going #1 and #2 overall. Yet in this draft only one QB goes in the top 9 picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 You can throw all those theories out there but you know if any of these guys were legit prospects they would have been taken in the top five. Look at some of the recent drafts with QBs going #1 and #2 overall. Yet in this draft only one QB goes in the top 9 picks? Kansas City called everyone trying to get in the top 5. The first team that would let them move up from 27 was the Bills. Sorry, you are spinning hard now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Maybe our franchise QB is on the roster- time to see what they do before we look to 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Kansas City called everyone trying to get in the top 5. The first team that would let them move up from 27 was the Bills. Sorry, you are spinning hard now. Sorry, I just now noticed your avatar. Going to be kind of hard convincing you otherwise. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 You can throw all those theories out there but you know if any of these guys were legit prospects they would have been taken in the top five. Look at some of the recent drafts with QBs going #1 and #2 overall. Yet in this draft only one QB goes in the top 9 picks? The QBs in this draft were not even as good as Mariota and Winston. I think the move by Chicago will come be viewed as a failure in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Lamar Jackson wouldn't be bad wither. Josh Rosen as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Sorry, I just now noticed your avatar. Going to be kind of hard convincing you otherwise. LOL The QBs in this draft were not even as good as Mariota and Winston. I think the move by Chicago will come be viewed as a failure in 3 years. What matters is not the class but the QB YOU can acquire. Should Raiders have passed on Derek Carr because it was a bad class? How does Mariotta or Winston help them the next year if they don't have a top 2 pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 What matters is not the class but the QB YOU can acquire. Should Raiders have passed on Derek Carr because it was a bad class? How does Mariotta or Winston help them the next year if they don't have a top 2 pick? You know I agree with you, Jeff. I'm tired of arguing with folks on the other side of the argument. We will all see soon enough. (I allow for the minute possibility that Taylor, Peterman, or Cardale somehow blossom into a true franchise qb.) I suspect most will be on board with a qb in 2018 by the time the draft rolls around. It remains to be seen if we will be in a position to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for KC to be bad. There are always surprise teams, both ways that's true but KC's defense is legit now and their offense is "efficient." Andy Reid has them moving in the right direction. It's amazing what stability can bring to a franchise. I think their ceiling is 13 wins and their bottom is 9 wins. They are most likely picking deep into the 20's again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for KC to be bad. There are always surprise teams, both ways KC has had a winning record for like 4 years in a row, haven't they? Not saying it's a guarantee, but I don't see that pick being higher than 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Talk to me in three years when Cardale, Petermen and Yates are lighting up the NFL. Talk to me when Mahomes is lighting up the NFL, and Tyrod, Cardale, Peterman and our extra first round pick next year have all flamed out. It might happen, but the chances are pretty good that it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 that's true but KC's defense is legit now and their offense is "efficient." Andy Reid has them moving in the right direction. It's amazing what stability can bring to a franchise. I think their ceiling is 13 wins and their bottom is 9 wins. They are most likely picking deep into the 20's again Deep into the 20's is their ceiling. They did reach that ceiling last season. But more probable is proably 20-24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 KC has had a winning record for like 4 years in a row, haven't they? Not saying it's a guarantee, but I don't see that pick being higher than 20. It's not likely to be higher than 20, but they do play in a tough division and I expect the Chargers to be much improved this year. At least the trade will give us another team to root for this season--whoever is playing the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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