Eric Moulds on my A** Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Awesome reference of 'Glory' my friend 🏆👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 This is simply smart by Bill. There is no way they'd get a player the caliber of Cooks with that pick. Straight up it still would've been good in my eyes. I hope this doesn't happen... When lord, when's gon be our time? Absolutely. A young, improving WR who is already in the top 15 at his position with the #32 pick?? That'd be a gift for NE. People badly overvalue draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Absolutely. A young, improving WR who is already in the top 15 at his position with the #32 pick?? That'd be a gift for NE. People badly overvalue draft picks. You're right about those picks. For example I believe Cordarrelle Patterson went 29th in the first round and he may end up being a WR we pursue when Woods walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) When you have a franchise QB, you can do things like this. The pats have proven, QB and System >>>>>>>> Than anything else. Maybe in the next 100 years the Bills will figure this out. Also worth remembering that the system - maximizing draft picks by tailoring FA moves to getting as many supplementary picks as possible and trading back often for more picks - is what got the QB in the first place. Brady was a supplemental pick. The Saints probably run a complex system as well. As someone else mentioned, Belichick is terrible at drafting WRs. But these are moves you can make when you have Brady, you can fail repeatedly with draft picks and trades but it doesn't matter. Everybody fails repeatedly with draft picks. Belichick no more often than anyone else. But they constantly accumulate picks so they have more and raise their odds of getting somebody good. And Belchick isn't especially bad at drafting WRs. He just doesn't use high picks on them. Not a single first-round WR in the Belichick era. 4th Malcolm Mitchell 7th Jeremy Gallon 2nd (59) Aaron Dobson 4th Josh Boyce 7th Jeremy Ebert 3rd (90) Taylor Price 3rd (83)Brandon Tate 7th Julian Edelman 5th Matt Slater 2nd (36th) Chad Jackson 5th P.K. Sam 3rd (45)Bethel Johnson 2nd (65) Deion Branch 7th David Givens That's all he's drafted in his entire 17 years of drafting. Three 2nds, three 3rds, two 4ths, two 5ths, and four 7ths, and he's gotten David Givens and Edelman out of that. Not great, but not bad either. Belichick must really like Cooks. They don't often trade high picks, even if they're getting back a lower-level pick or two as they were asking in this Cooks deal. Edited March 6, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Don't know why more teams don't do this for a known stud player... probably salary cap ramifications of having to pay a guy in a year or 2 instead of 4 or 5, but still...you are getting a known quantity versus an unknown... Also worth remembering that the system - maximizing draft picks by tailoring FA moves to getting as many supplementary picks as possible and trading back often for more picks - is what got the QB in the first place. Brady was a supplemental pick. Everybody fails repeatedly with draft picks. Belichick no more often than anyone else. But they constantly accumulate picks so they have more and raise their odds of getting somebody good. And Belchick isn't especially bad at drafting WRs. He just doesn't use high picks on them. Not a single first-round WR in the Belichick era. 4th Malcolm Mitchell 7th Jeremy Gallon 2nd (59) Aaron Dobson 4th Josh Boyce 7th Jeremy Ebert 3rd (90) Taylor Price 3rd (83)Brandon Tate 7th Julian Edelman 5th Matt Slater 2nd (36th) Chad Jackson 5th P.K. Sam 3rd (45)Bethel Johnson 2nd (65) Deion Branch 7th David Givens That's all he's drafted in his entire 17 years of drafting. Three 2nds, three 3rds, two 4ths, two 5ths, and four 7ths, and he's gotten David Givens and Edelman out of that. Not great, but not bad either. Belichick must really like Cooks. They don't often trade high picks, even if they're getting back a lower-level pick or two as they were asking in this Cooks deal. Basically it shows draft whoever and put them with Tom Brady and he will make something out of them. Edited March 6, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 They want it as bad as ever and they are as good as ever Meaning that defeating them is as glorious as ever. Let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Ooo thought a QB that can throw was needed for that. My bad to be fair, cooks is probably the type of player that TT could utilize better than someone like clay. as frustrating as that is to type in our current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Chris Hogan isn't enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 +1 for NO. Personally I think the rest of the NFL needs to take notes. You don't trade with NE. Let them sit on the players they have. Eventually they will have to start to cut players and thats when you can pick up their castoffs. I honestly don't see Hogan sticking around in NE, but I can see Woods being a long time target there. He really fits their system. Great blocker, good hands, runs crisp routes and has elusive speed and YAC ability. Chris Hogan isn't enough? Hogan is horrible. I could never understand why so many fans loved him. He has 50/50 hands, isn't a very good route runner, doen't really have YAC ability. I was so happy he left Buffalo I considered having a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 @charlesrobinson Hearing #Titans may now be the front runner to trade for #Saints WR Brandin Cooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 It was said that the trade included pick 32. It was probably like the Patriots first round for the Saints second/third rounder and Cooks. I doubt the pats offered their first straight up for Cooks. If Cooks was a mid 1st round pick and he has out played expectations why would he not be worth a first round pick? The upcoming contract commitment in TWO years is the only potential con.Patriots should do a move to bring an NFL WR in. Their history in BB drafting WRs has been Blah.Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Watch them pick up Bob Woods Won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Patriots should do a move to bring an NFL WR in. Their history in BB drafting WRs has been Blah. Why should they pay big for one? They've done fine with guys everyone else has thrown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 If Cooks was a mid 1st round pick and he has out played expectations why would he not be worth a first round pick? The upcoming contract commitment in TWO years is the only potential con. Agreed One of the benefits of a first round pick is not only the player, but the 5 year option contract. Teams are reluctant to give up a first rounded and have to pay the guy relatively quickly. It is not a way to build a winning roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 +1 for NO. Personally I think the rest of the NFL needs to take notes. You don't trade with NE. Let them sit on the players they have. Eventually they will have to start to cut players and thats when you can pick up their castoffs. I honestly don't see Hogan sticking around in NE, but I can see Woods being a long time target there. He really fits their system. Great blocker, good hands, runs crisp routes and has elusive speed and YAC ability. Hogan is horrible. I could never understand why so many fans loved him. He has 50/50 hands, isn't a very good route runner, doen't really have YAC ability. I was so happy he left Buffalo I considered having a party. I was being sarcastic. When he had his good playoff game, people were on here acting like we let Jerry Rice go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I was just reading that AP is willing to take a pay cut to " get a ring " with them... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/06/report-adrian-peterson-would-consider-discount-to-sign-with-patriots/ It's a never ending nightmare..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 They are playing chess while the rest of the idiot teams are playing checkers. oh please. stop riding their jocks for crying out loud they lucked into the best passer in the history of the game. thats its. that one stroke of undeserved luck gives them the enormous advantage of stability by keeping everything together year after year. thats it they were a ѕhit organization before she arrived and they will go back to being a ѕhit organization when she retires stop giving them magical abilities they dont deserve I was just reading that AP is willing to take a pay cut to " get a ring " with them... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/06/report-adrian-peterson-would-consider-discount-to-sign-with-patriots/ It's a never ending nightmare..... yes. another huge advantage of falling into the pure luck acquisition of the best passer ever none of this happens when she retires. they have no magic formula. bills record when she doesnt play is sub-.500. genius my ass. lucky surly cheating dick is what he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Also worth remembering that the system - maximizing draft picks by tailoring FA moves to getting as many supplementary picks as possible and trading back often for more picks - is what got the QB in the first place. Brady was a supplemental pick. Everybody fails repeatedly with draft picks. Belichick no more often than anyone else. But they constantly accumulate picks so they have more and raise their odds of getting somebody good. And Belchick isn't especially bad at drafting WRs. He just doesn't use high picks on them. Not a single first-round WR in the Belichick era. 4th Malcolm Mitchell 7th Jeremy Gallon 2nd (59) Aaron Dobson 4th Josh Boyce 7th Jeremy Ebert 3rd (90) Taylor Price 3rd (83)Brandon Tate 7th Julian Edelman 5th Matt Slater 2nd (36th) Chad Jackson 5th P.K. Sam 3rd (45)Bethel Johnson 2nd (65) Deion Branch 7th David Givens That's all he's drafted in his entire 17 years of drafting. Three 2nds, three 3rds, two 4ths, two 5ths, and four 7ths, and he's gotten David Givens and Edelman out of that. Not great, but not bad either. Belichick must really like Cooks. They don't often trade high picks, even if they're getting back a lower-level pick or two as they were asking in this Cooks deal. Deion Branch was a fabulous player for them. ALso, Slater is one of the best ST players of this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 oh please. stop riding their jocks for crying out loud they lucked into the best passer in the history of the game. thats its. that one stroke of undeserved luck gives them the enormous advantage of stability by keeping everything together year after year. thats it they were a ѕhit organization before she arrived and they will go back to being a ѕhit organization when she retires stop giving them magical abilities they dont deserve yes. another huge advantage of falling into the pure luck acquisition of the best passer ever none of this happens when she retires. they have no magic formula. bills record when she doesnt play is sub-.500. genius my ass. lucky surly cheating dick is what he is I give Belichick more credit than you do....IMO, he is bar none the best coach in the league and one of the best ever....he was the defensive master mind behind Parcells Giants, brought Cleveland to the playoff....Cleveland !! ....and has now dominated the NFL for 16 years....Brady helps of course, but BB is in a class of his own.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Dianna RussiniVerified account @diannaESPN 24m24 minutes ago The New England Patriots are considering trading Malcolm Butler to the New Orleans Saints for Brandin Cooks per sources SpotracVerified account @spotrac 21m21 minutes ago Trading Malcolm Butler leaves no dead cap to the #Patriots. He would bring a $3.91M tender & a $13M+ market value to the #Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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