keepthefaith Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, daz28 said: He kinda did ask for the dirt, and the way I read the law he wouldn't have had to receive it or need any money to transfer hands. I guess the only logic is they really did never have any intention to prosecute anyways, because to me the law appears to have been broken. Probably because they didn't want the can of worms opened that far. He did take the bait, and it was nefarious. Opposition "dirt" is SOP for most campaigns, even down at local level politics. Dirt which is true and sourced from legal sources is fair game. Hillary's campaign spent millions digging up dirt on Trump and there was nothing illegal with that either except that it was untrue and also used by our government in tandem with media for nefarious purposes. That's where laws were likely broken. Don Jr would have been in big trouble if the "Russians" in the meeting were Russian government officials or representatives of theirs and handed him info on Hillary and got favors in exchange. Trump's campaign will likely dig more privately into Joe Biden and his family dealings in Ukraine and China and Iraq for this upcoming cycle. Completely legit to do so and put out their findings as long as those governments don't contribute. Rudy's been doing that research already. Edited April 22, 2020 by keepthefaith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: Opposition "dirt" is SOP for most campaigns, even down at local level politics. Dirt which is true and sourced from legal sources is fair game. Hillary's campaign spent millions digging up dirt on Trump and there was nothing illegal with that either except that it was untrue and also used by our government in tandem with media. That's where laws were likely broken. Don Jr would have been in big trouble if the "Russians" in the meeting were Russian government officials or representatives of theirs and handed him info in Hillary and asking for favors in exchange. Trump's campaign will likely dig more privately into Joe Biden and his family dealings in Ukraine and China and Iraq in this upcoming cycle. Completely legit to do so put out their findings as long as those governments don't contribute. Rudy's been doing this extensively already. How many people are in jail from all the investigating that's been going on the last 50 years? Then we'll move on to investigating Trumps kids when the Democrats hand pick a AG that will do their bidding. I've seen every scandal since 1980 unfold, and it really grows tiresome. By the time something is actually done about anything, I'll be so old I'll probably die of a heart attack from the sheer shock and disbelief that someone actually paid a price for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 This bullshyt again???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrecrazed Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, daz28 said: How many people are in jail from all the investigating that's been going on the last 50 years? Then we'll move on to investigating Trumps kids when the Democrats hand pick a AG that will do their bidding. I've seen every scandal since 1980 unfold, and it really grows tiresome. By the time something is actually done about anything, I'll be so old I'll probably die of a heart attack from the sheer shock and disbelief that someone actually paid a price for once. You've never seen a scandal like this. There hasn't been one in our lifetime. I'll also add that there is no shame in being educated about it by DR. He has spent a ton of time in several threads sharing his work with us all. I would say that he (and others as well) has given any of us who were paying attention an education on the matter. Most of us are appreciative of his efforts. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, sabrecrazed said: You've never seen a scandal like this. There hasn't been one in our lifetime. I'll also add that there is no shame in being educated about it by DR. He has spent a ton of time in several threads sharing his work with us all. I would say that he (and others as well) has given any of us who were paying attention an education on the matter. Most of us are appreciative of his efforts. Just my opinion, but I think I've seen plenty of massive scandals. Why would there being shame in listening to someone else's theories? Any intelligent person is going to take what they think is worth something out of any discussion. Only a dummy blindly follows, or accepts facts without evidence. Bottom line, always think for yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrecrazed Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: Just my opinion, but I think I've seen plenty of massive scandals. Why would there being shame in listening to someone else's theories? Any intelligent person is going to take what they think is worth something out of any discussion. Only a dummy blindly follows, or accepts facts without evidence. Bottom line, always think for yourself. This is correct. Which is my point. If you read the relevant threads you will find tons of actual evidence. Not the stuff you'll hear on Maddow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, sabrecrazed said: This is correct. Which is my point. If you read the relevant threads you will find tons of actual evidence. Not the stuff you'll hear on Maddow. I don't watch Maddow. lol I've been on political forums for a long time, and have been lurking this one for some time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 First public comment in over 2 1/2 years from Flynn: Things are about to get fun. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: First public comment in over 2 1/2 years from Flynn: Things are about to get fun. By “about” do you mean at least this decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Q-baby! said: By “about” do you mean at least this decade? Fair. That's not meant to be a prediction. That's just a turn of phrase. If Flynn's talking, after 2 and a half years of silence -- in light of everything else which has come out just this week, let alone the past two -- I'd say it means that the tide has turned in his favor. If that's accurate (and I'm positive it is), then Flynn's charges being dropped would trigger an avalanche of other legal/political developments that will make every other political scandal in US history look small. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: First public comment in over 2 1/2 years from Flynn: Things are about to get fun. That's one hell of a statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Koko78 said: That's one hell of a statement. It'll be interesting to see how some people are covered up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: It'll be interesting to see how some people are covered up for. I'm interested in seeing if anything happens to those Covington attorneys. If half of what Flynn says was true (and I have no reason to doubt him), what they did was highly unethical and intentional legal malpractice. To not reveal to a client completely exculpatory information about what the FBI agents said - that goes to the very heart of the case - while pressuring him to take a plea, is horrifying. In criminal defense, to be found to have committed malpractice, the standard is essentially that the defendant wouldn't have been convicted but for the malfeasance of the attorney. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I'm interested in seeing if anything happens to those Covington attorneys. If half of what Flynn says was true (and I have no reason to doubt him), what they did was highly unethical and intentional legal malpractice. To not reveal to a client completely exculpatory information about what the FBI agents said - that goes to the very heart of the case - while pressuring him to take a plea, is horrifying. In criminal defense, to be found to have committed malpractice, the standard is essentially that the defendant wouldn't have been convicted but for the malfeasance of the attorney. I was wondering if they could be disbarred? They seemed to have worked for the FBI, not their client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I was wondering if they could be disbarred? They seemed to have worked for the FBI, not their client. Maybe. Not sure how attorney discipline works in the DC Bar. Either way, I'm sure it's not a short process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I'm interested in seeing if anything happens to those Covington attorneys. If half of what Flynn says was true (and I have no reason to doubt him), what they did was highly unethical and intentional legal malpractice. To not reveal to a client completely exculpatory information about what the FBI agents said - that goes to the very heart of the case - while pressuring him to take a plea, is horrifying. In criminal defense, to be found to have committed malpractice, the standard is essentially that the defendant wouldn't have been convicted but for the malfeasance of the attorney. ...in our Lifetime?........it would be a protracted mess going into 2037 with an eventual hand slap........"can"t we be friends and let bygones be bygones" sounds about right..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Leak of sealed evidence in the Michael Flynn case points to a high-ranking deep state operative as a key to the Russia hoax conspiracy at DOJ and FBI by Thomas Lifson Original Article 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 What fresh hell is this? “Trump issued a symbolic joint statement Saturday with Putin, in a move that has stirred debate within the Trump administration and spawned concern among some lawmakers on Capitol Hill.” Trump, Putin Statement Stirs Concern Among Some Rare declaration comes amid U.S.-Russian strains, military tension, disinformation complaints.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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