Report: "Tyrod unwilling to take less to remain with bills"

[BuffaloRebound]

Overdorf or whoever was the brains behind Taylor's contract needs to be fired yesterday. The Bills would be in a much better position if they did nothing and let Taylor play out his original contract. They would've saved at least $6m in 2016, and this year they could franchise him for $21.5m instead of having to exercise a $27.5m option and still hold all the cards. That's a $12m mistake.

[Marty McFly]

This comment. Tyrod is not gonna take a pay cut. They might re-structure to bring the cap hit down per year but thats it. Tyrod can clean up this FA. If he does go somewhere else, I hope he bring them to the playoffs just to stick it to everyone who said he couldnt do it.

 

I dunno - why should he? If he walks he'll still get paid pretty handsomely. He'd be the top option on the open market, and is still young.

 

Cousins probably isn't available. Romo requires a trade - so pieces have to move. Brees/Rivers aren't likely to happen. And there are many teams looking for upgrades.

 

SF

BUF

LAR

JAX

HOU

NYJ

DEN

CLE

ZONA

CHI

 

 

What's a great deal and how much can he easily get: from who?

See Comment I quoted above.

[BADOLBILZ]

Overdorf or whoever was the brains behind Taylor's contract needs to be fired yesterday. The Bills would be in a much better position if they did nothing and let Taylor play out his original contract. They would've saved at least $6m in 2016, and this year they could franchise him for $21.5m instead of having to exercise a $27.5m option and still hold all the cards. That's a $12m mistake.

 

I think the rationale at the time was that they faced two tough re-signs in FA after the 2016 season........and Tyrod was the safer person at the more important position to invest in.

 

They probably wanted to keep the franchise tag option for the enigmatic Stephon Gilmore.

 

Gilmore is talented but has been too much an inconsistent competitor to award a big, long term contract.

 

The hope being to just buy one more year of highly motivated production while developing his replacement and let him go without a big production drop at the position..........or maybe, with luck they even see him mature into someone worthy of a long term extension.

 

I tend to doubt the latter happening but we've seen knuckleheads get it and become self motivated leaders who care about their legacy/reputation.

[Estro]

As he shouldn't. It's a great deal and he can easily get more on the open market. I don't blame him at all.

Absolutely no shot of Tyrod Taylor getting $27.5 M in cash next year from any other team but the Bills. I love how everybody says Tyrod can get the same if not more on the open market. Its not going to happen folks. Can he get a deal that has a lot of funny money on the backend that looks like the contract he has now? Absolutely. But he's not getting $27.5 M in year 1. Tyrod defines average, middle of the road, bridge QB w/e you want to call it and those QBs DO NOT get $27.5M in cash in 1 year. Any team that decides to do that is making a serious mistake.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

per Pro Football Talk

 

sweet, see ya

He knows the Browns will overpay. He might die though behind that OL but can't beat the gtd money.

 

Seriously though, why would he?

 

yeah but he can scramble tho

[Big Gun]

Absolutely no shot of Tyrod Taylor getting $27.5 M in cash next year from any other team but the Bills. I love how everybody says Tyrod can get the same if not more on the open market. Its not going to happen folks. Can he get a deal that has a lot of funny money on the backend that looks like the contract he has now? Absolutely. But he's not getting $27.5 M in year 1. Tyrod defines average, middle of the road, bridge QB w/e you want to call it and those QBs DO NOT get $27.5M in cash in 1 year. Any team that decides to do that is making a serious mistake.

+1

[Kirby Jackson]

Absolutely no shot of Tyrod Taylor getting $27.5 M in cash next year from any other team but the Bills. I love how everybody says Tyrod can get the same if not more on the open market. Its not going to happen folks. Can he get a deal that has a lot of funny money on the backend that looks like the contract he has now? Absolutely. But he's not getting $27.5 M in year 1. Tyrod defines average, middle of the road, bridge QB w/e you want to call it and those QBs DO NOT get $27.5M in cash in 1 year. Any team that decides to do that is making a serious mistake.

It has nothing to do with year 1 money and everything to do with guaranteed dollars. He is currently guaranteed $30.75M if they pick up the deal. He will get that on the open market. The Bills and TT's people both know that. The cap hit currently is $15.9M in 2017 and $16.78M in 2018. The talk between the Bills and Taylor's people will be on changing the structure to alter the cap hit but not the guaranteed dollars.

 

The $27.5M number is really irrelevant in the conversation. FWIW, he almost certainly gets that cash next year because a signing bonus or an option bonus is paid out immediately. The cap hit is what is spread out. A roster bonus is also paid out immediately but it hits in a particular cap year.

Edited February 11, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[CardinalScotts]

I dunno - why should he? If he walks he'll still get paid pretty handsomely. He'd be the top option on the open market, and is still young.

 

Cousins probably isn't available. Romo requires a trade - so pieces have to move. Brees/Rivers aren't likely to happen. And there are many teams looking for upgrades.

 

SF - I doubt Shannahan wants a scrambler, although he moved Matt Ryan a ton option #3

BUF

LAR -Goff is starting end of story

JAX -Bortles is back he played 2 good games under Marrone to end the year 1st round pick wont bail to early

HOU -No one has had more starting qb's than O'Brien but they are married to Osweiler cut or no cut so why Cut they will be 45 million dollars on qbs

NYJ - this would be the fit but their skill players are all over 30, Forte on a step decline and the o-line is a mess option #1

DEN- if they arent going after Romo they are sticking with their guys no Tyrod

CLE - well this would be the logical move from bad to worse and out of the league in 2 years option #2

ZONA -they are likely keeping the band together Palmer, Fitzgerald, Arrians one more run at it

CHI -Certainly want to get away from Cutler's contract not sure of their thoughts on Tyrod I would say this is option #4

[San-O]

Is this your first time paying attention to the NFL? QB who do OK can get amazing deals.

 

 

He NOT ok. He "not good".

+1

 

+ 1 + 1

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Absolutely no shot of Tyrod Taylor getting $27.5 M in cash next year from any other team but the Bills. I love how everybody says Tyrod can get the same if not more on the open market. Its not going to happen folks. Can he get a deal that has a lot of funny money on the backend that looks like the contract he has now? Absolutely. But he's not getting $27.5 M in year 1. Tyrod defines average, middle of the road, bridge QB w/e you want to call it and those QBs DO NOT get $27.5M in cash in 1 year. Any team that decides to do that is making a serious mistake.

27 mil in guareneteed money puts him @ 15th ish in the league. Absolutely there are teams out there that will consider him worth top 15 money. That's lump sum. Now consider that it's a five year deal, that works out to about 24th in guaranteed dollars per season. He's been invited to the probowl 2/2 years as a starter.

 

He will get his 30 mil somewhere

Edited February 11, 2017 by Over 28 years of fanhood

[PromoTheRobot]

 

I think the rationale at the time was that they faced two tough re-signs in FA after the 2016 season........and Tyrod was the safer person at the more important position to invest in.

 

They probably wanted to keep the franchise tag option for the enigmatic Stephon Gilmore.

 

Gilmore is talented but has been too much an inconsistent competitor to award a big, long term contract.

 

The hope being to just buy one more year of highly motivated production while developing his replacement and let him go without a big production drop at the position..........or maybe, with luck they even see him mature into someone worthy of a long term extension.

 

I tend to doubt the latter happening but we've seen knuckleheads get it and become self motivated leaders who care about their legacy/reputation.

If you kept TT at his original contract he would be a free agent now whether the Bills wanted him or not. In order to keep him, we'd have to get in line with everyone else and pay the market rate. That's why it's really a better deal for the Bills than folks give it credit for. We can keep him for about 50% of avg NFL starter money. Edited February 11, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[BuffaloRebound]

If you kept TT at his original contract he would be a free agent now whether the Bills wanted him or not. In order to keep him, we'd have to get in line with everyone else and pay the market rate. That's why it's really a better deal for the Bills than folks give it credit for. We can keep him for about 50% of avg NFL starter money.

Bills could keep him this year for $21.5m if they used the franchise tag. That's a much better choice than having to commit $27m this year and another $3m in 2018. Bills could've even pulled the tag if they get the QB they want at #10. Failing to see how Taylor's contract not a huge blunder by the Bills.

[Kirby Jackson]

Bills could keep him this year for $21.5m if they used the franchise tag. That's a much better choice than having to commit $27m this year and another $3m in 2018. Bills could've even pulled the tag if they get the QB they want at #10. Failing to see how Taylor's contract not a huge blunder by the Bills.

That is the interesting part. The only thing on that is that cap hit would prevent you from bringing back Gilmore in all likelihood. As it stands now, the Bills can have both.

[BuffaloRebound]

That is the interesting part. The only thing on that is that cap hit would prevent you from bringing back Gilmore in all likelihood. As it stands now, the Bills can have both.

Can the Bills decline Taylor's option and then use the franchise tag on him? I was assuming that wasn't available to use but technically I guess he's a free agent if Bills decline the option. At the very least, it buys the Bills insurance until the draft.

[Kirby Jackson]

Can the Bills decline Taylor's option and then use the franchise tag on him? I was assuming that wasn't available to use but technically I guess he's a free agent if Bills decline the option. At the very least, it buys the Bills insurance until the draft.

I would think that they can't. That would cut his guaranteed dollars by $8M plus. The NFLPA (as weak as they are) still wouldn't stand for this.

[BuffaloRebound]

I would think that they can't. That would cut his guaranteed dollars by $8M plus. The NFLPA (as weak as they are) still wouldn't stand for this.

Maybe the transition tag would be more palatable since he'd be able to negotiate with other teams and from the Bills perspective it's only $19m. But it still buys the Bills insurance since they'd be able to match any deal and gets them out from Taylor's original deal.

[Kirby Jackson]

Maybe the transition tag would be more palatable since he'd be able to negotiate with other teams and from the Bills perspective it's only $19m. But it still buys the Bills insurance since they'd be able to match any deal and gets them out from Taylor's original deal.

I think that the same situation would arise. What if he got 2 year 26M guaranteed? That's still less than he has. It's restructure, release or sign the current deal I think.

[Gugny]

I think that the same situation would arise. What if he got 2 year 26M guaranteed? That's still less than he has. It's restructure, release or sign the current deal I think.

 

So in the words of Bob the Builder ... reduce, reuse or recycle?

[BuffaloRebound]

I think that the same situation would arise. What if he got 2 year 26M guaranteed? That's still less than he has. It's restructure, release or sign the current deal I think.

Then if that's all he's gonna get on open market, Bills would be foolish not to restructure. Bills should be using all the tools available to them to get out of the stupid deal they signed Taylor to. If he's not gonna restructure the deal, then threaten to use the transition tag and see what he'll get from another team while keeping the ability to match the deal. Problem is that it's a lot harder to do this when the fools who agreed to the original deal are still in charge.

[Kirby Jackson]

Then if that's all he's gonna get on open market, Bills would be foolish not to restructure. Bills should be using all the tools available to them to get out of the stupid deal they signed Taylor to. If he's not gonna restructure the deal, then threaten to use the transition tag and see what he'll get from another team while keeping the ability to match the deal. Problem is that it's a lot harder to do this when the fools who agreed to the original deal are still in charge.

Im saying I don't think that they are ALLOWED to tag him (for the reasons above). The Bills won't be allowed to scale back the guaranteed money. They have guaranteed him $30.75M. They have to either pay that to him or let him hit FA. I think that 3 years $45M with about $30M guaranteed is where he ends up.